McCartin

[Rocket]

Anyone heard any rumours? You would think the club needs to come out with a statement at some stage soon. I know he has a 2020 contract, however if unable to play is there a negotiation to put this to bed.

[B.M]

He is nowhere near it... should pull the pin.

The decision to recruit him (albeit not entirely his fault) will be one of the most costly decisions in recent history.

At the bottom of our rebuild with the prized pick 1 and picks 21/22
We drafted
McCartin, Goddard and McKenzie
Lonie at pick 41 has been the best player we took from a bottom out draft year. FFS

[saintsRrising]

The decision to recruit him (albeit not entirely his fault)

He did not decide (The Saints did), and so 100% not his "fault".

will be one of the most costly decisions in recent history.

The pick was always McCartin or Petracca, and even though I favoured Petracca at the time Petracca has hardly set the world on fire.

By and large it was a weak draft year and it was our bad luck to have had first pick in that year rather than one like this year, or last year.

If Paddy had not have had concussion, he would have as a minimum been a useful player for us. There is no way anyone could have predicted that he would have been so susceptible to concussion.

[saintsRrising]

My decision the the other week to pick the wrong numbers cost me 25% of $150 million. Clearly this must have been one of the most costly decisions in recent history.

[prwilkinson]

He is nowhere near it... should pull the pin.

The decision to recruit him (albeit not entirely his fault) will be one of the most costly decisions in recent history.

At the bottom of our rebuild with the prized pick 1 and picks 21/22
We drafted
McCartin, Goddard and McKenzie
Lonie at pick 41 has been the best player we took from a bottom out draft year. FFS

Draft day, it was Petracca in the morning then, McCartin by the evening. Thought about it too much.

[suss]

Brayshaw and DeGoey were in the frame too. The Boyd deal spooked us and the rest is history.

The thing that amazes me is that we constantly use high draft picks on talls when we are crying out for mids. Bizarre. Even the decision to pick Billings was odd - a half-forward flanker when we desperately need midfield grunt.

[BackFromUSA]

Here is where I have heard things are at.

Being heavily monitored and assessed.

Medical opinion is that

(a) none of the concussions have been of the variety that would end a career specifically however the latest concussion did present with headaches and balance issues

(b) the cumulative effects are not a factor either

(c) The likeliness of concussion occurring again is high and may be partially because he is diabetic but there is no indication that another 1, 2 or 3 concussions would have any more impact on his ability to play on or his future health

(d) to play again he would have to stop backing into packs or crashing packs and learn to protect his head

e) he is not fit as he has been unable to train

The decision remains with Paddy as he is contracted but the Saints are unlikely to play him if it presents any unreasonable risk to his health or their legal liability.

So really it is up to
- an independent medical panel
- then Paddy himself
- then the club

All three tick it off then he can play again

However my gut feel is that Paddy won’t play as he won’t be able to play his natural game.

[SaintPav]

Pity as he is exactly need right now.

[skeptic]

Here is where I have heard things are at.

Being heavily monitored and assessed.

Medical opinion is that

(a) none of the concussions have been of the variety that would end a career specifically however the latest concussion did present with headaches and balance issues

(b) the cumulative effects are not a factor either

(c) The likeliness of concussion occurring again is high and may be partially because he is diabetic but there is no indication that another 1, 2 or 3 concussions would have any more impact on his ability to play on or his future health

(d) to play again he would have to stop backing into packs or crashing packs and learn to protect his head

e) he is not fit as he has been unable to train

The decision remains with Paddy as he is contracted but the Saints are unlikely to play him if it presents any unreasonable risk to his health or their legal liability.

So really it is up to
- an independent medical panel
- then Paddy himself
- then the club

All three tick it off then he can play again

However my gut feel is that Paddy won’t play as he won’t be able to play his natural game.

I read this report and all I see is denial denial denial.

It’s over.

If it’s not specifically about his health concerns... which is absurd... then consider the amount of development he’s missed. He’s not exactly going to get better playing less... one can actually make a reasonable argument to suggest that Paddy is actually worse now then when he got to the club:
Worse mark
Worse kick for goal

Further to that... and obviously this is a personal impression... I reckon he lacks the maturity to make a measured decision. Obviously he doesn’t want the dream to end but it’s utter absurdity at this point

[sunsaint]

shop him or chop him - its time

[Wayne42]

There is no way Paddy should be allowed to play again, irresponsible to even consider it.

Out for 12 months after Long collected him pre season.

Someone should be advising him on what life after football might look like.

[B.M]

At the time it was a poor draft decision imo, not that McCartin was a poor player, on the contrary, he was a good prospect. However, there were massive question marks over his fitness, and ability to get fit. His diabetes was an issue we didn’t need to take a risk with, with a number 1 pick, as other elite talent was on offer. Yes, Petracca hasn’t set the world on fire, but put their output side by side, and even though Christian has under achieved, he’s still achieved more than paddy ever will to this point, and he’ll play 150 more games. Don’t forget he’s had a knee reco in his first year as well, and has still played 85 games and averaged a goal a game as a HF.

The concussions were clearly not Paddy’s fault, what was his fault though was the fact that in his first 3 seasons, he never got fit enough, never presented with an AFL body, and never looked like a #1 pick. He looked slow, clumsy and not strong enough, even though he was 100kg.

He’s a tough kid, a good bloke seemingly. He’s had terrible luck. But the fact is, we used a number 1 pick on a bloke who will play 30 games. Unfortunately he will go down as one of the worst number 1 selections.

[samuraisaint]

We had seven players not play a single match in 2019, and then we add Longer and Lewis who played three games between them, Steven, Webster and Hannebury who each only played seven matches, plus Geary and Carlisle who played the first and second half of the season respectively, and you don't need to be a member of mensa to understand that the club need to really concentrate on list management as a priority in the off season.
Especially as after round four 2018 we played without half the list for much of the season as well.

[CURLY]

At the time it was a poor draft decision imo, not that McCartin was a poor player, on the contrary, he was a good prospect. However, there were massive question marks over his fitness, and ability to get fit. His diabetes was an issue we didn’t need to take a risk with, with a number 1 pick, as other elite talent was on offer. Yes, Petracca hasn’t set the world on fire, but put their output side by side, and even though Christian has under achieved, he’s still achieved more than paddy ever will to this point, and he’ll play 150 more games. Don’t forget he’s had a knee reco in his first year as well, and has still played 85 games and averaged a goal a game as a HF.

The concussions were clearly not Paddy’s fault, what was his fault though was the fact that in his first 3 seasons, he never got fit enough, never presented with an AFL body, and never looked like a #1 pick. He looked slow, clumsy and not strong enough, even though he was 100kg.

He’s a tough kid, a good bloke seemingly. He’s had terrible luck. But the fact is, we used a number 1 pick on a bloke who will play 30 games. Unfortunately he will go down as one of the worst number 1 selections.

You’d make a excellent recruiter or talent spotter.

That is of course as long as you can see them at AFL level for three years.

[desertsaint]

never saw much of him to salivate over. a few rare strong marks, but his field kicking was excellent. perhaps the club should have played him as a come from behind defender once the first few concussions happened. too late now. had a feeling he wasn't going to make it as a forward even without the concussion issues. simply never looked fit enough.
a total waste of a top draft pick. probably the worst ever as we've been paying him for five years of nothing and adding a heap of medical bills on top.

[CURLY]

Without injury would be a very reliable key forward. Excellent lead and protected the drop of the ball well.

[B.M]

Disagree, never had the engine to be able repeat lead, nor the pace to get separation. An unreliable kick for goal, and for a player who relies a lot on marking, not that big at 193.

If he was 198 with the same attributes, he could be a bear in the square, but he is only as tall as Battle, without the running power.

[CURLY]

Disagree, never had the engine to be able repeat lead, nor the pace to get separation. An unreliable kick for goal, and for a player who relies a lot on marking, not that big at 193.

If he was 198 with the same attributes, he could be a bear in the square, but he is only as tall as Battle, without the running power.

18 clubs and basically every recruiter had him 1 or 2. I’m sure they couldn’t all be wrong.

[skeptic]

Disagree, never had the engine to be able repeat lead, nor the pace to get separation. An unreliable kick for goal, and for a player who relies a lot on marking, not that big at 193.

If he was 198 with the same attributes, he could be a bear in the square, but he is only as tall as Battle, without the running power.

18 clubs and basically every recruiter had him 1 or 2. I’m sure they couldn’t all be wrong.

The majority had him at 2... minus us and a mystery other club

[Enrico_Misso]

He is nowhere near it... should pull the pin.

The decision to recruit him (albeit not entirely his fault) will be one of the most costly decisions in recent history.

At the bottom of our rebuild with the prized pick 1 and picks 21/22
We drafted
McCartin, Goddard and McKenzie
Lonie at pick 41 has been the best player we took from a bottom out draft year. FFS

Unfortunately this post is 100% correct.

[The Fireman]

just another bit of bad luck for the club..we should be used to it by now.. let's move on.

[Jacks Back]

The sooner we cut our losses the better for all involved. Let's face it, he will never play again. Just cut the cord and move on.

[B.M]

It is unfortunate, and very unlucky too.

Would have liked nothing more than Paddy becoming a 40-50 goal Key Forward.

But he did not, and that’s the reality.

[saint-stu]

I went to the preseason game at Ballarat and at first was really happy to see what Paddy could do. I was so hopeful that it would finally work out.

Then he got what looked like a pretty standard knock and was down. Someone in the crowd immediately commented "that is career ending" and that looks to be the case.

He will get knocks like that again if he continues, guaranteed. I can understand him wanting to try again, but I can't see anything but the same thing happening again, or even worse.

[B.M]

Curly

Give it a rest, seriously

And if clubs did have him 1 or 2

Yes, they had it wrong.
DeGoey, Brayshaw, Moore, Lever, Heeney, Wright ... in hindsight were easily better picks.
I do realise Heeney and Moore were bid players, but we didn’t bid on them.

As everyone knows, I had Christian at #1
Which also would have been an average pick... but not a poor pick as he has at least played nearly 100 games.