Paddy's endurance

[Long Term Injury]

Heard this week - cant remember where - that Paddy's endurance was matching that of Bruce in preseason. If that is true, it would be a massive improvement and a great sign of his professionalism etc. Really exciting stuff. Anyone heard anything on this, or who else is tearing it up? Tony74 any gos?

[Bunk_Moreland]

Read his endurance has improved greatly and he was matched with endurance beast Bruce not matching Bruce.

Dont think he can improve a tank the size of Bruce in half a pre season.

Signs are promising though

[Enrico_Misso]

Sounds like he has realised what he needs to do to get the best out of himself.
Great attitude and looking forward to seeing it applied.

If only Spencer White had woken up to himself and realised that you need more than a bit of natural talent.

[Bunk_Moreland]

Sounds like he has realised what he needs to do to get the best out of himself.
Great attitude and looking forward to seeing it applied.

If only Spencer White had woken up to himself and realised that you need more than a bit of natural talent.

Maybe just there is the difference between a No1 and No.25

[saintsRrising]

Sounds like he has realised what he needs to do to get the best out of himself.
Great attitude and looking forward to seeing it applied.

If only Spencer White had woken up to himself and realised that you need more than a bit of natural talent.

Maybe just there is the difference between a No1 and No.25

AGREE

Ability to apply oneself is just as much a characteristic as say footskills, ability to read the play etc. However it is the most important if the lot.

Players with lesser talent can still make it if they can apply themselves.....but guys that cannot work at elite level will never make it irrespective of how much natural talent they have.

The best of the best are always very driven people. Sometimes to the extent that they are socially awkward.

[borderbarry]

Things are starting to look up. I hope it continues throughout the season.

[asiu]

are u suggesting that If i gave up my social awkwardness
i'd be a brilliant footballer ?


Signed
Hopefully.

[Moods]

Sounds like he has realised what he needs to do to get the best out of himself.
Great attitude and looking forward to seeing it applied.

If only Spencer White had woken up to himself and realised that you need more than a bit of natural talent.

Maybe just there is the difference between a No1 and No.25

AGREE

Ability to apply oneself is just as much a characteristic as say footskills, ability to read the play etc. However it is the most important if the lot.

Players with lesser talent can still make it if they can apply themselves.....but guys that cannot work at elite level will never make it irrespective of how much natural talent they have.

The best of the best are always very driven people. Sometimes to the extent that they are socially awkward.

Gary Ablett Snr??

There's always an exception. Probably a couple of others that don't spring to mind.

However I agree with you, in that as a general rule, only the truly hard workers become elite athletes. I have two daughters who dream of making it in their chosen sport, and I drum this into them almost every day. Talent only gets you so far, it's the work ethic that will get you places. Train harder (and smarter) than everyone else, and you give yourself every chance of making it.

[ausfatcat]

gary snr was the era of part time footballers thou

[Moods]

gary snr was the era of part time footballers thou

You reckon?. He was getting paid 100's of thousands, and he didn't have another job. He started in the part time era (80's) but finished in the pro era. His training, or lack of, was legendary. He's the only bloke I can think of who could play elite sport and pretty much rely on his God Gifted genes.

[ripplug66]

gary snr was the era of part time footballers thou

You reckon?. He was getting paid 100's of thousands, and he didn't have another job. He started in the part time era (80's) but finished in the pro era. His training, or lack of, was legendary. He's the only bloke I can think of who could play elite sport and pretty much rely on his God Gifted genes.

There are many who weren't great trainers. Plugger, Carey and many others. There was also many who were the best trainers. Harvey, Lenny and also many others. Some could train forever and never make it and also the exact opposite. These days most players do no more or less than the club wants them to do.

[saintsRrising]

Sounds like he has realised what he needs to do to get the best out of himself.
Great attitude and looking forward to seeing it applied.

If only Spencer White had woken up to himself and realised that you need more than a bit of natural talent.

Maybe just there is the difference between a No1 and No.25

AGREE

Ability to apply oneself is just as much a characteristic as say footskills, ability to read the play etc. However it is the most important if the lot.

Players with lesser talent can still make it if they can apply themselves.....but guys that cannot work at elite level will never make it irrespective of how much natural talent they have.

The best of the best are always very driven people. Sometimes to the extent that they are socially awkward.

Gary Ablett Snr??

There's always an exception. Probably a couple of others that don't spring to mind.

However I agree with you, in that as a general rule, only the truly hard workers become elite athletes. I have two daughters who dream of making it in their chosen sport, and I drum this into them almost every day. Talent only gets you so far, it's the work ethic that will get you places. Train harder (and smarter) than everyone else, and you give yourself every chance of making it.

The year that my daughter trained the hardest (this by the way also means training smarter) was the year she placed the highest at the Australian Rowing Championships.



I was referencing today rather than the era when our Ballart Boys used to get burgers on the way down and/or back from training. Yes back then great talent could be enough. There were quite a few ordinary trainers that were stars. Training then too was not the science it is today. Interval training etc means that players do not have to do the same hours to achieve better results.

Yes GABSnr if he did not train up to "today's" standard would not have anywhere near the impact today as he did then. Players today are way, way fitter and definitely much more aerobic beasts than they were then.

[saintsRrising]

There are many who weren't great trainers. Plugger, Carey and many others. There was also many who were the best trainers. Harvey, Lenny and also many others. Some could train forever and never make it and also the exact opposite. These days most players do no more or less than the club wants them to do.

I would hope that they do no more fitness training than our club fitness team design for them.

Banger used to "overtrain". Going for runs post-game if he did not feel he worked hard enough. But overtraining can do a lot of damage, while not achieving any extra fitness.

His hammy's were the better for following modern training programs.

Training today is a lot more of a science and part of that is that is also that a lot less time is required to achieve the same results.

[saintsRrising]

Watching Plugga play generated many of my most memorable StKilda football moments.

GASnr was a freak no doubt....but Lockett on his day was just an unstoppbale force. The thing about Plugga was that he apart from his early days that never had just the one opponent. He always had 2, 3 or more. The rest of our team was so crap that opposition coaches could no this, and conversely too probably feared the damage that Plugga could wreak if he ever played one out.

Sublimely skilled, a superb reader of the play, with a quick burst of pace, more athletic than many credit him...and who put genuine fear into his opponents. But indifferent trainer yes with limited aerobic endurance and who would react like a big kid when our Club Doc sprung him in the carpark chomping burgers.

However the fitness of players today is simply in a different and much higher level than in Plugga and Ablett's time. They would either need to train smarter and better, or they would not be the players today that they were then. In Plugga's time it did not matter that his aerobic capacity was not the best. He could just patrol the full forward area and play the game his way. Today offensive defenders would run off him with ease generating quick rebound thrusts.

One cannot really compare different era's as yes some of the freak's could get away with it back then. Today I doubt they can. But even back then the those with amazing talent often did not have long careers, or careers as good as they could have been, if they could not apply themselves.

I wonder how good Rocket Rod Owen would have been if his dad had not died when he did?

Con Gorozidis looked to have great talent, but could just not get it all together.

Banger used to burn everyone off, but as time went on other players got fitter as well, and player rotations meant that more players are on full throttle.

[the dome]

Hearing that Paddy has been successful at raising the bar on his own endurance is energising news no doubt. I get the sense that he isn't alone in bringing good levels of drive and focus towards realising the potential that is there.
I've heard it said that Dempster is an impeccable trainer and excellent preparer for game - day. Along with Rooey these two oldies are excellent examples for the young guns aiming to create their own history.

[Linton Lodger]

Sounds like he has realised what he needs to do to get the best out of himself.
Great attitude and looking forward to seeing it applied.

If only Spencer White had woken up to himself and realised that you need more than a bit of natural talent.

Maybe just there is the difference between a No1 and No.25

AGREE

Ability to apply oneself is just as much a characteristic as say footskills, ability to read the play etc. However it is the most important if the lot.

Players with lesser talent can still make it if they can apply themselves.....but guys that cannot work at elite level will never make it irrespective of how much natural talent they have.

The best of the best are always very driven people. Sometimes to the extent that they are socially awkward.

Gary Ablett Snr??

There's always an exception. Probably a couple of others that don't spring to mind.

However I agree with you, in that as a general rule, only the truly hard workers become elite athletes. I have two daughters who dream of making it in their chosen sport, and I drum this into them almost every day. Talent only gets you so far, it's the work ethic that will get you places. Train harder (and smarter) than everyone else, and you give yourself every chance of making it.

I think big Plugger played most of his career at less than optimum fitness levels. The again he was a freak.

[spert]

I don't give a hoot about endurance- can the boy play footy?

[ripplug66]

I don't give a hoot about endurance- can the boy play footy?

Not in todays footy if he doesn't have endurance.

[saintsRrising]

I don't give a hoot about endurance- can the boy play footy?

White could play football, but had little endurance or ability to work hard.

As for Paddy, yes he can play football. The question is whether he can build edurance, physique and workrate.

[Dr Spaceman]

I don't give a hoot about endurance- can the boy play footy?

White could play football, but had little endurance or ability to work hard.

As for Paddy, yes he can play football. The question is whether he can build edurance, physique and workrate.

He's already ahead of where White was on all three of those and will just continue to improve.

He wants it. Big time. Spence, apparently, wasn't overly fussed about it.

Will be a pleasure to watch Paddy's progress

[saintsRrising]

I don't give a hoot about endurance- can the boy play footy?

White could play football, but had little endurance or ability to work hard.

As for Paddy, yes he can play football. The question is whether he can build edurance, physique and workrate.

He's already ahead of where White was on all three of those and will just continue to improve.

He wants it. Big time. Spence, apparently, wasn't overly fussed about it.

Will be a pleasure to watch Paddy's progress

Don't get me wrong. I am not knocking Paddy.

[tony74]

Heard this week - cant remember where - that Paddy's endurance was matching that of Bruce in preseason. If that is true, it would be a massive improvement and a great sign of his professionalism etc. Really exciting stuff. Anyone heard anything on this, or who else is tearing it up? Tony74 any gos?

Paddy is up about 200% in body shape and strength. You will really see a difference in the way he looks. No longer a kid with a bit of baby fat, pretty lean and taut at the moment. Really working on his endurance, probably about 50% up from last year. Still having hassles with his levels as sometimes when he really pushes himself he does more harm than good and has a bit of an episode. Happened a few times so far this pre season but he's getting better knowing his own body so he'll get that right.
One things for sure, the boy can play footy. Has a touch of Hudson in him as in the ability to use his body to manoeuvre the opposition out of the way at just the right time.

[saynta]

Heard this week - cant remember where - that Paddy's endurance was matching that of Bruce in preseason. If that is true, it would be a massive improvement and a great sign of his professionalism etc. Really exciting stuff. Anyone heard anything on this, or who else is tearing it up? Tony74 any gos?

Paddy is up about 200% in body shape and strength. You will really see a difference in the way he looks. No longer a kid with a bit of baby fat, pretty lean and taut at the moment. Really working on his endurance, probably about 50% up from last year. Still having hassles with his levels as sometimes when he really pushes himself he does more harm than good and has a bit of an episode. Happened a few times so far this pre season but he's getting better knowing his own body so he'll get that right.
One things for sure, the boy can play footy. Has a touch of Hudson in him as in the ability to use his body to manoeuvre the opposition out of the way at just the right time.

Wow Hudson eh? Third best fullforward I have ever seen, after Plugger and Coleman.

[ripplug66]

Heard this week - cant remember where - that Paddy's endurance was matching that of Bruce in preseason. If that is true, it would be a massive improvement and a great sign of his professionalism etc. Really exciting stuff. Anyone heard anything on this, or who else is tearing it up? Tony74 any gos?

Paddy is up about 200% in body shape and strength. You will really see a difference in the way he looks. No longer a kid with a bit of baby fat, pretty lean and taut at the moment. Really working on his endurance, probably about 50% up from last year. Still having hassles with his levels as sometimes when he really pushes himself he does more harm than good and has a bit of an episode. Happened a few times so far this pre season but he's getting better knowing his own body so he'll get that right.
One things for sure, the boy can play footy. Has a touch of Hudson in him as in the ability to use his body to manoeuvre the opposition out of the way at just the right time.

At least the bar isn't that high. Looks nothing like Hudson to me and I would hope not. A player like him has no hope of surviving in todays footy because there are bugger all one on one contests.

[saintsRrising]

There is a big difference between:

Has a touch of Hudson in him as in the ability to use his body to manoeuvre the opposition out of the way at just the right time.

and

He is the next Hudson