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Re: Trout's war room- article
interesting article ....Could sum one please explain how kid with messy room , was his down fall for not being drafted ????? would rule out 90% of teenagers at a guess
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Probably 99% of teenagers would not be dedicated enough to make an AFL list. Wouldn't be an issue for a gun prospect but for border-line selections the recruiters would be looking for any reason to choose between the 200 or so in the 50+ or rookie range. They may see it as an indicator that they may not want to do the 1%er so the issue is not being tidy but what else it may say about them, especially if the kid knew someone was coming.
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Great article.
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Wow talk about making a mountain out of a molehill
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Re: Trout's war room- article
Well if it helps my BIL was a neatness freak as was capped 38 times for the Socceroos.kimberly saint wrote:interesting article ....Could sum one please explain how kid with messy room , was his down fall for not being drafted ????? would rule out 90% of teenagers at a guess
However in the case mentioned I would imagine that they had many indicators and probably already had other red-flags on dedication, application etc. Straw, break, camels back and all that.
There are many players who have given the game away as training etc was too much for them.
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kimberly saint wrote:interesting article ....Could sum one please explain how kid with messy room , was his down fall for not being drafted ????? would rule out 90% of teenagers at a guess
That's one of the indicators that's held me back still into my late 20's....
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Re: Trout's war room- article
Enhance 224 to 176. Enhance, stop. Move in, stop. Pull out, track right, stop. Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop. Enhance 34 to 36. Pan right and pull back. Stop. Enhance 34 to 46. Pull back. Wait a minute, go right, stop. Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop. Enhance 15 to 23. Give me a hard copy right there.
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?SaintPav wrote:
Enhance 224 to 176. Enhance, stop. Move in, stop. Pull out, track right, stop. Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop. Enhance 34 to 36. Pan right and pull back. Stop. Enhance 34 to 46. Pull back. Wait a minute, go right, stop. Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop. Enhance 15 to 23. Give me a hard copy right there.
assume you are trying to read the white board?
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Does anyone have the skills to enhance the image of the whiteboard? It could tell us all we want to know. If it can be enhanced then our rivals may get the jump, which would be poor form. It could also be part of a cunning plan to mislead the opposition. Is Baldrick on our staff?
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Don't want to draft a kid because he has a messy room. Now I've heard the lot!!
Are we drafting them to play football or to be a cleaner out at seaford?
Are we drafting them to play football or to be a cleaner out at seaford?
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Yes because that is the only criteria our recruiters work offLTN16 wrote:Don't want to draft a kid because he has a messy room. Now I've heard the lot!!
Are we drafting them to play football or to be a cleaner out at seaford?
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Correct. I was analysing the photo using my Esper machine which uses multi dimensional digital imaging by turning a photograph into a three dimensional capture enabling me to zoom into a high resolution picture, and navigate it. Some Interesting analysis. The club also needs a Voight - Kampf machine to interview draftees. I've got one of those too. Nerdorama!!saintbrat wrote:?SaintPav wrote:
Enhance 224 to 176. Enhance, stop. Move in, stop. Pull out, track right, stop. Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop. Enhance 34 to 36. Pan right and pull back. Stop. Enhance 34 to 46. Pull back. Wait a minute, go right, stop. Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop. Enhance 15 to 23. Give me a hard copy right there.
assume you are trying to read the white board?
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Bunk_Moreland wrote:Yes because that is the only criteria our recruiters work offLTN16 wrote:Don't want to draft a kid because he has a messy room. Now I've heard the lot!!
Are we drafting them to play football or to be a cleaner out at seaford?
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and it wasn't our club
but it's one note as opposed toRecently, another club ruled a player out because his room was too messy.
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They ruled him out because of it so it maybe it is??Bunk_Moreland wrote:Yes because that is the only criteria our recruiters work offLTN16 wrote:Don't want to draft a kid because he has a messy room. Now I've heard the lot!!
Are we drafting them to play football or to be a cleaner out at seaford?
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Re: Trout's war room- article
Good on them to try and work out the best methods in an effort to make the best selections.
I reckon Riewoldt would have had a clean room as a child but on the other hand Plugger probably had pie and chiko roll wrappers scattered around his room.
Riewoldt was a leader though but Plugger was probably our best ever player.
Would a player like Plugger get selected in this day and age though?
Probably not. Can't pass skin fold tests etc etc.
Yawn, pick the player with a clean room.
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I reckon Riewoldt would have had a clean room as a child but on the other hand Plugger probably had pie and chiko roll wrappers scattered around his room.
Riewoldt was a leader though but Plugger was probably our best ever player.
Would a player like Plugger get selected in this day and age though?
Probably not. Can't pass skin fold tests etc etc.
Yawn, pick the player with a clean room.
It's all about science.
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Using that criteria, Felix Unger would've been a champion.
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As long as we don't pick Felix the cat as his litter tray tended to get a bit messed up.White Winmar wrote:Using that criteria, Felix Unger would've been a champion.
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Riewoldt is a champion, a gun and a fine leader, but I'm afraid he comes nowhere near the big fella as a player. So that blows away the messy room theory, unless Plugger was a stickler for an impeccably tidy bedroom in his younger days.linz wrote:Good on them to try and work out the best methods in an effort to make the best selections.
I reckon Riewoldt would have had a clean room as a child but on the other hand Plugger probably had pie and chiko roll wrappers scattered around his room.
Riewoldt was a leader though but Plugger was probably our best ever player.
Would a player like Plugger get selected in this day and age though?
Probably not. Can't pass skin fold tests etc etc.
Yawn, pick the player with a clean room.
It's all about science.
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That is a matter of opinion.Linton Lodger wrote:Riewoldt is a champion, a gun and a fine leader, but I'm afraid he comes nowhere near the big fella as a player.linz wrote:Good on them to try and work out the best methods in an effort to make the best selections.
I reckon Riewoldt would have had a clean room as a child but on the other hand Plugger probably had pie and chiko roll wrappers scattered around his room.
Riewoldt was a leader though but Plugger was probably our best ever player.
Would a player like Plugger get selected in this day and age though?
Probably not. Can't pass skin fold tests etc etc.
Yawn, pick the player with a clean room.
It's all about science.
Different era. Different game and very different players which makes it difficult to compare.
Plugger was pure talent but he would probbaly struggle with the cardio required in today's game.
Plugger might be better but to say that Roo does not come close to him is really an exaggeration.
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+1SaintPav wrote:That is a matter of opinion.Linton Lodger wrote:Riewoldt is a champion, a gun and a fine leader, but I'm afraid he comes nowhere near the big fella as a player.linz wrote:Good on them to try and work out the best methods in an effort to make the best selections.
I reckon Riewoldt would have had a clean room as a child but on the other hand Plugger probably had pie and chiko roll wrappers scattered around his room.
Riewoldt was a leader though but Plugger was probably our best ever player.
Would a player like Plugger get selected in this day and age though?
Probably not. Can't pass skin fold tests etc etc.
Yawn, pick the player with a clean room.
It's all about science.
Different era. Different game and very different players which makes it difficult to compare.
Plugger was pure talent but he would probbaly struggle with the cardio required in today's game.
Plugger might be better but to say that Roo does not come close to him is really an exaggeration.
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Full marks to their professionalism, but it strikes me that so often, "over-analysis" by committees, muddles things, when the right decision is there, staring you in the face.
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It's like saying we should pick Petracca instead of McCartin because he doesn't have a gap in his front teeth..
Has completely nothing to do with the way they play football!
Has completely nothing to do with the way they play football!