The net effect

[martymcfly_86]

Well done St Kilda list management team. In 5 years' time this trade / draft period will be looked at as a huge success! Really exciting stuff.

Trade #1:
OUT: Ben McEvoy
IN: Shane Savage, Pick 18 (Luke Dunstan)
Trade #2 (linked to trade #1):
OUT: Picks 24 (Billy Hartung) and pick 59 (Hawthorn rookie elevation)
IN: Pick 19 (Blake Acres)
Net effect of trades #1 and #2:
- Trade out future captain in McEvoy, who is an excellent around the ground ruckman but cannot tap down to save himself, and two late picks
- Trade in 1 classy midfielder who will play 150 games and draft 2 top 20 classy midfielders, both expected to go higher in draft
- WIN

Trade #3:
OUT: Pick 77 (Pass)
IN: Luke Delaney
Net effect of trade #3:
- Ready to go gorilla full back for nothing
- WIN

Trade #4:
OUT: Pick 48 (Pass)
IN: Josh Bruce
Net effect of trade #4:
- Gain potential 200 game gun CHB for nothing
- WIN

Trade #5:
- OUT: Nick dal Santo (albeit as free agent)
- IN: Billy Longer (through pick 25 compensation)
Net effect of trade #5:
- Gain 2010 pick 8 ruckman with potential to play 200 games for Saints, in return for champion player who has 3-4 years left
- WIN

[BigMart]

That's an optimistic view

North and Hawthorn are very happy securing what they did and at our stage the speculative outcome is better for us?

Overrated Savage a bit IMO

And Longer turned our trade period on its head... We went from losing a 200 game B+ grade Ruckman and Captain and a champ.... To a probable 200 game A Grade Ruckman
And
Lost Dal but bough in two good young mids in the process....

But agree

We had to manage the list well and without tearing it apart .... And although we lost experience we injected quality youth

Tough decisions were made...
time will tell if they were good ones...

Hawthorn and North also won big though

[bergholt]

Hawthorn and North also won big though

Absolutely. And that's the point - you can trade really well at this time of year if you realise that it's not a zero sum game.

We needed draft picks and players with a lot of potential to improve, who could fill a couple of our gaps. Hawthorn and North needed ready-made players who could compete right now. Everyone got what they wanted.

Time will tell, but it's possible this could be an "everyone wins" trade period for us.

[BigMart]

Barry Hall and Fraser Gehrig is perhaps the best examples of trades working well for both clubs

Hall was awesome at Sydney, as was Fraser at StK

Kerr and Dal Santo ended up champions in return

[martymcfly_86]

Of course North win, Dal cost them nothing. Of course Hawthorn win, they filled a vacant No. 1 ruck spot with a highly competent ruck and only lost a depth player and future potential.

But for St Kilda:
- We have a better ruck prospect
- We have replaced a 29 yo midfielder with 3 potentially very solid midfielders
- We have two key backs for nothing

In 5 years' time, when Ben is slowing down and Dal is coaching VFL, I will look back on this trade period with a smile.

[plugger66]

Of course North win, Dal cost them nothing. Of course Hawthorn win, they filled a vacant No. 1 ruck spot with a highly competent ruck and only lost a depth player and future potential.

But for St Kilda:
- We have a better ruck prospect
- We have replaced a 29 yo midfielder with 3 potentially very solid midfielders
- We have two key backs for nothing

In 5 years' time, when Ben is slowing down and Dal is coaching VFL, I will look back on this trade period with a smile.

You hope. Its to early to call at the moment. it probably will be to early to call even in 2 years time. What I think though is the trades of Dal and ben will ensure good picks in the next couple of years because more than likely we will be a worse side next year which will eventually help us improve quicker.

[st_Trav_ofWA]

ill debate even if we kept dal and ben we would be looking at a hard year next year .... at least this way we get some picks this year as well

[plugger66]

ill debate even if we kept dal and ben we would be looking at a hard year next year .... at least this way we get some picks this year as well

I actually have no problem with Dal going because of his age. Im unsure losing Ben is a wise decision especially because of his age. Hopefully either Hickey or Longer become good rucks or both become good ruck forwards.

[desertsaint]

time will tell, but i'm very happy with our trades. wish dal and mcevoy all the best. Dal a champ and sad to see him go. Far better around than MacEvoy at the rucking game - good clubman, but we needed a much better ruckman.

[maverick]

Of course North win, Dal cost them nothing. Of course Hawthorn win, they filled a vacant No. 1 ruck spot with a highly competent ruck and only lost a depth player and future potential.

But for St Kilda:
- We have a better ruck prospect
- We have replaced a 29 yo midfielder with 3 potentially very solid midfielders
- We have two key backs for nothing

In 5 years' time, when Ben is slowing down and Dal is coaching VFL, I will look back on this trade period with a smile.

You hope. Its to early to call at the moment. it probably will be to early to call even in 2 years time. What I think though is the trades of Dal and ben will ensure good picks in the next couple of years because more than likely we will be a worse side next year which will eventually help us improve quicker.

Agree, it will also fast track potential mids you would not get games ahead of Dal either….

[maverick]

ill debate even if we kept dal and ben we would be looking at a hard year next year .... at least this way we get some picks this year as well

I actually have no problem with Dal going because of his age. Im unsure losing Ben is a wise decision especially because of his age. Hopefully either Hickey or Longer become good rucks or both become good ruck forwards.

I reckon losing Ben is a shrewd move.
The earliest we can contend again will be 2016, more likely 2017.
Ben will be 27 - 28, Longer/Hickey 24-25…
I think Ben will be finished by 29-30, much like Mumford and other big bodied non jumping rucks…
It's certainly a gamble but for me, now we have Longer particularly, a high % one….

[BringBackMadDog]

Of course North win, Dal cost them nothing. Of course Hawthorn win, they filled a vacant No. 1 ruck spot with a highly competent ruck and only lost a depth player and future potential.

But for St Kilda:
- We have a better ruck prospect
- We have replaced a 29 yo midfielder with 3 potentially very solid midfielders
- We have two key backs for nothing

In 5 years' time, when Ben is slowing down and Dal is coaching VFL, I will look back on this trade period with a smile.

You hope. Its to early to call at the moment. it probably will be to early to call even in 2 years time. What I think though is the trades of Dal and ben will ensure good picks in the next couple of years because more than likely we will be a worse side next year which will eventually help us improve quicker.

I'm not sure about being a worse side next year, surely we are not going to have a run if injuries to key players like we did this year. Our side has to be better if Schneider, Chips, Gilbert, Lenny, Gwilt all play more than 12 games. Plus the natural improvement of Wright, Ross, Webster, Newnes, Saunders and the inclusions of Key defenders and Savage.
I think we will improve.

[st_Trav_ofWA]

ill debate even if we kept dal and ben we would be looking at a hard year next year .... at least this way we get some picks this year as well

I actually have no problem with Dal going because of his age. Im unsure losing Ben is a wise decision especially because of his age. Hopefully either Hickey or Longer become good rucks or both become good ruck forwards.

i see your point but i dont see Ben being the differance in us winning 3 games or 4 games next year nor the year after ... not discounting his value but while rebuilding theres not much Ben could do to effect the results ...

its a ballsy decision basically cutting the now for the future a st kilda of the past would have tried to top up instead of forward plan ... in the end the result is the same keep ben and we perform badly win/loss wise for the next 2-3 years , give up Ben we perform badly win/loss wise for the next 2-3 years - keeping Ben we enter our upswing with a experianced older ruckman , lose Ben we end up with two developed ruckmen coming into their prime in our up swing ...

[stinger]

Barry Hall and Fraser Gehrig is perhaps the best examples of trades working well for both clubs

Hall was awesome at Sydney, as was Fraser at StK

Kerr and Dal Santo ended up champions in return

if hall had been playing with us...we would have won three premierships.....hows that a win for us...????

[BigMart]

Because Dal would not have been.... And he was a triple All Australian

Hall would have continued to be a boof head at stk and needed to move

And why would we need two 195cm 105kg monster and Reiwoldt and Hamill??

I think Dal was a better fit