2001 Super Draft revisited

[B W and R all over]

Interesting insight from John Beveridge on the 01 draft

http://www.saints.com.au/news/newsartic ... fault.aspx

[Megamaguire]

I like the fact that Bevo saw something in Dal Santo and Maguire that convinced St. Kilda to pounce on the 2 talents. Maguire @ pick 21 back then gives me hope for the next potential star to arrive @ St.Kilda via pick #24.
Fingers crossed.

G O S A I N T S!

[BigMart]

Geelong would be spewing they passed up on Dal and Goose

Instead blowing picks on

Bartel and Johnson?!

[plugger66]

Geelong would be spewing they passed up on Dal and Goose

Instead blowing picks on

Bartel and Johnson?!

Dont see what that has to do with the topic really. I suppose its just another way of somehow bagging the club or is it a poor attempt at comedy?

[saint66au]

Geelong would be spewing they passed up on Dal and Goose

Instead blowing picks on

Bartel and Johnson?!

Harsh. Id rate Dal every bit the player of Bartel or Johnson..and I wonder how either of them would have come back from the horrendous broken leg and complications Goose suffered

[BigMart]

All Australians, Brownlows, North Smiths, Multiple Premierships......

Did you read the article plugger?? Reference of Geelong was from that.....

I tell you what moron

I'd be happy to debate the successes vs failures at stk.... Anytime

Thinly veiled swipe, not my style..... Just like to call what I see and live in reality...... We DID NOT win a premiership despite being handed priority picks concessions and contending for a decade! Poor decisions and some bad luck caused this.

Geelong, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Sydney, WC....... Successful...... Better managed

[plugger66]

All Australians, Brownlows, North Smiths, Multiple Premierships......

Did you read the article plugger?? Reference of Geelong was from that.....

I tell you what moron

I'd be happy to debate the successes vs failures at stk.... Anytime

Thinly veiled swipe, not my style..... Just like to call what I see and live in reality...... We DID NOT win a premiership despite being handed priority picks concessions and contending for a decade! Poor decisions and some bad luck caused this.

Geelong, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Sydney, WC....... Successful...... Better managed

I read the article. Still have no idea why you mentioned them. Been missing out lately have you? Calling me a moron. Excellent stuff. Dont get the debating success and failures either. All clubs have both and even the most successful clubs have more failures than successes. just the way it is. I suppose as you always see the negative you post like you do. you would have been one fun supporter in the 80's. Luckily we didnt have to read stuff from people like you back then.

Anyway lets catch up for a drink and debate. it would be fun. I could even explain to you what that word means. Name a place and a date. I will cancel anything to meet you.

[Megamaguire]

Reg: Maguire.
I suppose we will never really know how damaging Matt Maguire's snapped leg was for St. Kilda as the team were surging towards Grand Finals under Ross Lyon. Trying to replace him with Dawson was an obvious patch up job and presumably the only option available.
I still remember the joy i felt witnessing M.Maguire towel up Lloyd (Essendon) in his early years patrolling our defensive 50.
I believe Maguire was an excellent pick and an excellent player for St.Kilda pre injury. His ability to get off the ground and control the high ball still sticks in my memory.
Xavier Clarke was not a bad pick either i believe. If there was a bone density test available that could of shown the Saints were negligent in picking him then the club stuffed up. However it was truely tragic to see Xavier and Matthew succumb to terrible injuries. I still can't entertain the notion that Maguire , Dal Santo or X. Clarke were bad picks, and i can understand why Bevo picked Ball over Judd.
Having said that if our recruiting team now can do even better than Bevo they'll be doing well i think.
GO SAINTS!

[Little Dozer]

The decision that cost us multiple premierships was taking Ball over Judd.

[Sobraz]

The decision that cost us multiple premierships was taking Ball over Judd.

that one selection would have us currently sitting on 3 flags, not still just the 1..

before all the arguments about all the other what ifs and variables, my point being, keep every other thing constant (including Judds form since he's been at Carlton, which would've been our '09 & '10 flag years), just swap the 2 players.. Back to back flags.

[Dr Spaceman]

The decision that cost us multiple premierships was taking Ball over Judd.

that one selection would have us currently sitting on 3 flags, not still just the 1..

before all the arguments about all the other what ifs and variables, my point being, keep every other thing constant (including Judds form since he's been at Carlton, which would've been our '09 & '10 flag years), just swap the 2 players.. Back to back flags.

What ifs & variables:

GT may have driven him so hard in the early years that his shoulders may have simply dropped off.

Result? Still only 1 flag.

[skeptic]

RE Maguire

people forget that he had been horribly out of form for well over a season b4 he did his leg. The rule changes RE spoilong more or less sunk him I think

[bergholt]

keep every other thing constant (including Judds form since he's been at Carlton, which would've been our '09 & '10 flag years), just swap the 2 players.. Back to back flags.

While we're changing history, why don't we pick up Hird, Carey, Voss, Buckley, Franklin and Gary Ablett Jr, using a variety of legal and illegal methods, and then we could have won ten flags in a row!

[gringo]

Chris Judd has his wife as an employee of VISY, he's an employee of VISY and his pets are probably on 3 mill each so unless Lin Fox gave out checks for Judds great ambassadorial role of warming cafe seats for the company we would have had to sell all our stars anyway.

[vacuous space]

GT may have driven [Judd] so hard in the early years that his shoulders may have simply dropped off.

Exactly. The tragedy isn't selecting Ball. It's Ball's adductor muscles. X's hammies and Gooses mangled leg don't help either.

Despite all that, we still have two multiple-AAs from that draft more than a decade later. We did well there. The next ten drafts, not so much. Two AA players in ten drafts, one who just fled. If anything hurt the clubs chances at a flag, it's that.

[st_Trav_ofWA]

i always laugh at the "if we had picked Judd we would have won 3 flags" rubbish ... fact is Ball was every bit the player Judd was until the OP killed him ... Judd at the same time suffered from the same curse of OP big differance was the $$ the WCE had on hand to manage him through his OP meant Judd came back stronger then ever the two bit penny pinching resorces we had to manage Ball through his OP did more harm then good ... in my opinion had we taken Judd the result would be almost exactly the same for us

[plugger66]

i always laugh at the "if we had picked Judd we would have won 3 flags" rubbish ... fact is Ball was every bit the player Judd was until the OP killed him ... Judd at the same time suffered from the same curse of OP big differance was the $$ the WCE had on hand to manage him through his OP meant Judd came back stronger then ever the two bit penny pinching resorces we had to manage Ball through his OP did more harm then good ... in my opinion had we taken Judd the result would be almost exactly the same for us

As good as Ball was early he was still a fair bit short of Judd.

[st_Trav_ofWA]

i always laugh at the "if we had picked Judd we would have won 3 flags" rubbish ... fact is Ball was every bit the player Judd was until the OP killed him ... Judd at the same time suffered from the same curse of OP big differance was the $$ the WCE had on hand to manage him through his OP meant Judd came back stronger then ever the two bit penny pinching resorces we had to manage Ball through his OP did more harm then good ... in my opinion had we taken Judd the result would be almost exactly the same for us

As good as Ball was early he was still a fair bit short of Judd.

to an extent yes but its impossible to say how good Ball could have been at a club like WCE where his condition would have been spotted earlier and treated better just like its impossible to say how Judd would have turned out if he was pushed beyond his limit and the limites resources we had to treat him ....

the real thing that cost us flags was Craig Starcvich and the fact we prefered to turn a profit each year over spending mony on resources to better manage players and prevent injurys

[plugger66]

i always laugh at the "if we had picked Judd we would have won 3 flags" rubbish ... fact is Ball was every bit the player Judd was until the OP killed him ... Judd at the same time suffered from the same curse of OP big differance was the $$ the WCE had on hand to manage him through his OP meant Judd came back stronger then ever the two bit penny pinching resorces we had to manage Ball through his OP did more harm then good ... in my opinion had we taken Judd the result would be almost exactly the same for us

As good as Ball was early he was still a fair bit short of Judd.

to an extent yes but its impossible to say how good Ball could have been at a club like WCE where his condition would have been spotted earlier and treated better just like its impossible to say how Judd would have turned out if he was pushed beyond his limit and the limites resources we had to treat him ....

the real thing that cost us flags was Craig Starcvich and the fact we prefered to turn a profit each year over spending mony on resources to better manage players and prevent injurys

Now that I agree with. I suppose thats what happens when you club has a huge debt.

[Dave McNamara]

that one selection would have us currently sitting on 3 flags, not still just the 1...

X ahead of Jimmy Bartel (though no fault of X's).

Owl over Cyril would have cost us '09/10. That said, we needed a ruckman, so I can totally see why we went with Owl. Lets see long term anyway... Owl may yet surprise a few on here and end up with some Saintas permeirship medallions round his neck...

Bill Stephenson's knee... cost us probably in '62, '64, definitely in '65, would have won '66 by 5 goals plus , and '67 would have been on the cards. Uncle's avatar shows how good Stevo was...

It says a lot about Bill Stephenson that when Tony Lockett arrived at St Kilda he reminded old Saint fans of Stephenson’s brief time in front of goals...

...Stephenson recalled in later years that when he collapsed with the knee injury he loudly said “I’m buggered!” and Bomber ruckman Don McKenzie who had been shifted onto him after two full-backs had already been disposed of, responded “thank Christ for that.”
The amiable Stephenson chided McKenzie for the remark in later years, but it was a fair indication of Essendon’s relief that the unstoppable full-forward could inflict no more damage on them...


http://www.saints.com.au/news/newsartic ... fault.aspx

Lazar's knee, Spider's shoulder, personal family tragedies for Buckets and Cuz in GF week... '97.

The Yabby-Cervi fallout over dress codes, and Bob Keddie going nuts in the final quarter in '71.

The bloody Essendon District Football League and the sooopid 'challenge rule' cost us against Fitzroy in 1913... and the boys starting on the champas' pre-game might not have helped either...?

Rising interest rates in the '70s meant we struggled to service our debt on Moorabbin... nearly cost us our club...



This is all way too depressing. I think I'll take a break and go and play in the traffic...

[mightysainters]

X Clarke is the only horrific pick in my opinion... Soft, bad kick and injuries, no thanks.

Goose was a star and should have been AA and Dal obviously was and is still a star.

Ball was struck down by extremely poor injury management, but his class and ability shone early.

[CURLY]

X Clarke is the only horrific pick in my opinion... Soft, bad kick and injuries, no thanks.

Goose was a star and should have been AA and Dal obviously was and is still a star.

Ball was struck down by extremely poor injury management, but his class and ability shone early.

X Clarke was doing what Yarran is being applauded for now 10 years ago. He was a brilliant talent no one could have known the injuries he would suffer.

[Dr Spaceman]

X Clarke is the only horrific pick in my opinion... Soft, bad kick and injuries, no thanks.

Goose was a star and should have been AA and Dal obviously was and is still a star.

Ball was struck down by extremely poor injury management, but his class and ability shone early.

X Clarke was doing what Yarran is being applauded for now 10 years ago. He was a brilliant talent no one could have known the injuries he would suffer.

Fair call CURLY. Prior to being struck down with the soft tissue injuries that were to plague him for the rest of his carreer, I doubt any supporter was troubled by us drafting him.

And he wasn't the only player in that era who struggled to stay on the park.