Can we understand....

[BigMart]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

[dragit]

Thanks Chief,

You've done a great job with Arryn, so keep it up.

[FortiusQuoFidelius]

In the EPL the Poms call the coach a "Manager" and this is probably far more appropriate for our modern game where the coach does very little coaching. Most of that is left to the assistants.

In everyday business the Manager is responsible for overseeing operations, streamlining processes, and determining strategies. Sounds like a coach to me...

[BigMart]

As I said....players with natural ability just have it.....its nice to have someone in your side who you can just say "you just do what you do" and put them in a position that allows them to dominate the game...beacuse they need little instruction

I heard chopper lovell say that to bj goddard when he played A game at sandy
"bj, you're on the ball....just do what you want and when you wqnt a rest, go to the goalsquare"......he got 41 possesions

Arryn oozed natural talent.....at 14 he was already a better kick than most afl players...and had no problem putting his head over it....

[gringo]

As I said....players with natural ability just have it.....its nice to have someone in your side who you can just say "you just do what you do" and put them in a position that allows them to dominate the game...beacuse they need little instruction

I heard chopper lovell say that to bj goddard when he played A game at sandy
"bj, you're on the ball....just do what you want and when you wqnt a rest, go to the goalsquare"......he got 41 possesions

Arryn oozed natural talent.....at 14 he was already a better kick than most afl players...and had no problem putting his head over it....

I thought you said Arryn was someone with question marks over him? What were they?

[Legendary]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

Great post.

It is far more unusual for successful players to also be successful coaches, than vice-versa.

You are correct when you say that many successful players with high levels of natural ability do not understand why they are successful.


Your post also illustrates why Grant Thomas said that the right person with certain attributes could be a successful AFL coach ... regardless of whether they had played football or not ...

IMO it's communication + being able to convert ideas into something practical that are the biggest requirements for a coach ...

[kosifantutti23]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

Great post.

No doubt this is in response to the idiot who suggested we get in Barry Hall or Cameron Mooney as a forward coach.

[goddardisgod]

It's also why Jason Blake will be a fantastic coach.

[spert]

That's why you have a screening process to check out the person, not just grab a star and hope he makes a good coach. It is also risky picking a previously successful coach, as the whole success thing is about the right mix of people at a given time, and this may not happen when the coach moves clubs. The huge thing is smart recruiting and smart player development- something Geelong woke up to.. dont just pick skills, pick the person as well.

[Con Gorozidis]

This is true. Some people are good teachers and some people become good teachers because they had to think about things.
some p[layers just "play" on instinct and cant really express or pass that knowledge on.

That is why i get annoyed by that saying "those that cant teach".

this is nonsense of course. some people are just good teachers.
and some people who "can" cant teach for nuts.

[Verdun66]

I do quite a bit of cricket coaching, and it reminds me of a story another coach told me about Viv Richards. This bloke played with him at Somerset, so had seen at first hand how good he was.

In the session with these developing players, Viv just could not put into words any techniques, or simply demonstrate how to do these things.

Just stuff like...'see the ball...bang'....'wait for the right one....biff'. Quite funny really. He couldn't explain his instincts, which was how he played. He was a genius of course, but hadn't ever had to really think about it.

[plugger66]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

Great post.

No doubt this is in response to the idiot who suggested we get in Barry Hall or Cameron Mooney as a forward coach.

You beat me to it. The riddler is back at work. Some people need to read more than one post from certain people.

[bobmurray]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

Great post.

No doubt this is in response to the idiot who suggested we get in Barry Hall or Cameron Mooney as a forward coach.

You beat me to it. The riddler is back at work. Some people need to read more than one post from certain people.

We have....

We've read over 22,000 just from you......

[plugger66]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

Great post.

No doubt this is in response to the idiot who suggested we get in Barry Hall or Cameron Mooney as a forward coach.

You beat me to it. The riddler is back at work. Some people need to read more than one post from certain people.

We have....

We've read over 22,000 just from you......

Thanks for that. I rate you opinions just underneath the devil.

[bobmurray]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

Great post.

No doubt this is in response to the idiot who suggested we get in Barry Hall or Cameron Mooney as a forward coach.

You beat me to it. The riddler is back at work. Some people need to read more than one post from certain people.

We have....

We've read over 22,000 just from you......

Thanks for that. I rate you opinions just underneath the devil.

Good for you...........i don't rate yours at all

[plugger66]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

Great post.

No doubt this is in response to the idiot who suggested we get in Barry Hall or Cameron Mooney as a forward coach.

You beat me to it. The riddler is back at work. Some people need to read more than one post from certain people.

We have....

We've read over 22,000 just from you......

Thanks for that. I rate you opinions just underneath the devil.

Good for you...........i don't rate yours at all

I will write that down and then completely discard it. I like wasting my time that is why I read your posts.

[bobmurray]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

Great post.

No doubt this is in response to the idiot who suggested we get in Barry Hall or Cameron Mooney as a forward coach.

You beat me to it. The riddler is back at work. Some people need to read more than one post from certain people.

We have....

We've read over 22,000 just from you......

Thanks for that. I rate you opinions just underneath the devil.

Good for you...........i don't rate yours at all

I will write that down and then completely discard it. I like wasting my time that is why I read your posts.

nearly 23,000 posts.....time is something you have plenty of....waste away

[BigMart]

So you are of the belief barry and cam are bad communiactors??

Are you friends with them too???

Because i believe that i did say...their communication style is exactly what is required

Did i say they should be approached because they were great players.....or because they were strategically important power fwds who led fwd lines with success???

I believe i outlined 4 points as to why they could assist with the non-structured fwd line.....

I also did not realise moomey was a star.....i would suggeat a GOP....but played his role well...


Hall.....his leqdership qualities are obvious.....blind freddy could see that... Players walked taller around him.....not dssimi
Ar to Brown, Hamill....

Anyways....good try plugger

Bring up some old chestnuts now.....maybe from your list...

[Teflon]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

which is why ...using my insider knowledge of which I have none.....I know Robert Harvey aint a coach. He aint an orator for a start and that is one thing you need to be at some level.

[Bernard Shakey]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

which is why ...using my insider knowledge of which I have none.....I know Robert Harvey aint a coach. He aint an orator for a start and that is one thing you need to be at some level.

I concur.

[elizabethr]

That the simple notion of

Lets get Player X who was a great mark to come in and teach our players how to mark....

Is NOT how it works....

Coaching is about ability to communicate a set of instructions or routines to someone....provide types of drills that practice and reinforce this learned knowledge....stay consistent with ideas

Coaching is a lot more about knowledge than ability

The key aspects of a coach that makes them a successful leader
Communication skills (talking, listening, body language) honesty and integrity, professionalism..

Otherwise Gary Ablett would be a great coach

Some great players end up great coaches (matthew, Blight) as they have a combination of both....

But generally successful coaches have not been blessed with natural ability and have had to work and train for their success...often defenders who have to be strategic about their development and game style...players with natural ability sometomes dont even know why they do things well...just seems second nature, no thought required

Pagan, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthhouse, Clarkson, Thompson, Hafey, Joyce

Make up a lot of the successful coaches of the past 30 odd years...

which is why ...using my insider knowledge of which I have none.....I know Robert Harvey aint a coach. He aint an orator for a start and that is one thing you need to be at some level.

I concur.

Likewise agree.

[BigMart]

So rob harvey cannot speak??