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article..Does Jason Gram deserve a retrospective Norm Smith?

Post: # 1151850Post saintnick12 »

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/d ... 6149604204

Interesting article.

I think yes, but don't think it will happen.


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Post: # 1151870Post Enrico_Misso »

It's the cup I want.

Yes I'm sure that one day he will get a retrospective one.
How lone did Brian Gleeson wait for his Brownlow?


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Post: # 1151872Post saintnick12 »

Enrico_Misso wrote:It's the cup I want.

Yes I'm sure that one day he will get a retrospective one.
How lone did Brian Gleeson wait for his Brownlow?
Yep. Sure Gram would much rather have the premiership medal than the Norm Smith....but I guess if we give joint Brownlows.....


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Post: # 1151884Post Moods »

Bloody oath he should get one. Unbelievable that the league thinks it's fine to award multiple Brownlow winners, but decide a Norm Smith on the archaic system of a count back.

I know Grammy couldn't care less right now - but he deserves to be recognised for that game.


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Post: # 1151893Post Spinner »

Absolutely.


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Post: # 1151895Post robbo_93 »

no.


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Post: # 1151897Post The Jeff »

Yes.


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Post: # 1151934Post Superboot »

He was robbed of it anyway.

Can you imagine any of the three who gave Chapman 3 votes doing so had St Kilda won the game?

The result was a farce.


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Post: # 1151936Post jonesy »

Not sure how Chapman couldn't have got it. Clearly BOG I thought,and kicked the crunch goals....something we couldn't do


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Post: # 1151939Post BigMart »

Gram was huge

As he was in the 2008 night GF

Big game player.....ok for a soft c**k :roll:


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Post: # 1151960Post HSVKing »

The thing I don't get is... The player with the most 3's wins it.

Well, it took Gram more of the panel to give him votes to get the same score.

Shouldn't the fact that more of the panel voted for him make him the winner?

3 of the 5 thought Chapman was best on, the other 2 didn't think he was in the best 3.

5 of the 5 thought Gram was worth votes (Four 2 votes and One 1 vote) IIRC.
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Post: # 1151961Post borderbarry »

They awarded Verdun Howell a Brownlow rectivespectively, I dont see why they cant do the same with the Norm Smith.


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Post: # 1151981Post AdelSaint »

Hopefully he is more worried about getting fit and having a better year in 2012


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Post: # 1151998Post saintspremiers »

It is hypcritical and plain idiotic for the AFL to have two best and fairest awards one with countback and the other not.

Plain dumb.

You'd think the fat Cypriot is paid enPugh to fix it!

Anyway, give me a flag over a hundred Norm Smith's or Brownlows!


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Post: # 1152002Post matrix »

no
one norm smith medalist

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Post: # 1152006Post Junction Oval »

AdelSaint said :
Hopefully he is more worried about getting fit and having a better year in 2012
You are on the money there, but it would be a good thing for the AFL to do and in the right spirit. Down the track, it would be nice for the Trophy cabinet for Jason to look back on. It took half a lifetime for Verdun Howell to be given his retrospective Brownlow Medal, which is a tad too late IMO.


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Post: # 1152013Post saintspremiers »

It is hypcritical and plain idiotic for the AFL to have two best and fairest awards one with countback and the other not.

Plain dumb.

You'd think the fat Cypriot is paid enPugh to fix it!

Anyway, give me a flag over a hundred Norm Smith's or Brownlows!


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Post: # 1152059Post Rosco »

deserves it.


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Post: # 1152064Post bigred »

If we had of won the flag would anyone here give a s***?


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Yep, should be same as Brownlow


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Post: # 1152088Post Bernard Shakey »

Enrico_Misso wrote:It's the cup I want.

Yes I'm sure that one day he will get a retrospective one.
How lone did Brian Gleeson wait for his Brownlow?
Not long he was the sole winner in 1957 with 24 votes.


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Post: # 1152098Post joffaboy »

Wouldn't that just top it off?

Tow Norn Smith medallists in two consecutive GF but no flag :( :(


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bigred wrote:If we had of won the flag would anyone here give a s***?
Yep. Sure would have. IN fact I'd go as far to say that one's importance is not relevent to the other. It's an injustice that should be corrected.

If Ablett had of won the 08 NS on a count back, you don't reckon hawks ppl would care and want Hodgey awarded with one as well?

I know it make no difference and the flag is all that counts blah blah blah, but GRammy's little spot in history deserves to be acknowledged.


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saintspremiers wrote:It is hypcritical and plain idiotic for the AFL to have two best and fairest awards one with countback and the other not.

Plain dumb.

You'd think the fat Cypriot is paid enPugh to fix it!

Anyway, give me a flag over a hundred Norm Smith's or Brownlows!
Enough with the racist crap.


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Post: # 1152130Post joffaboy »

SENsaintsational wrote:
saintspremiers wrote:It is hypcritical and plain idiotic for the AFL to have two best and fairest awards one with countback and the other not.

Plain dumb.

You'd think the fat Cypriot is paid enPugh to fix it!

Anyway, give me a flag over a hundred Norm Smith's or Brownlows!
Enough with the racist crap.
You would think the Andrew Bolt lovers would have learned from yesterday :roll:


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