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Point of subbing Lynch off...

Post: # 1113095Post BigMart »

Someone explain it to me...

He is a kid developing, why not give him a full run at it, especially against against a group of other kids....he was not hopeless across hf....even if, why not gove him a crack across hb....

Ross has little or no patience with inexperienced players, certainly puts no faith in them....maybe thats why they have FA confidence and often go from talented kids to good ordinary (safe) role players...

Armitage, after a great game last week, was in for one centre bounce tonight, and played 90% fwd....

Both should do themselves a favour....


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Post: # 1113101Post kosifantutti23 »

How did blake and baker go tonight?


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Post: # 1113104Post SainterK »

It was exactly the right move, if you wanted 4 points that is.

Gears came on, Goddard did most of his work forward of centre, helped straighten Kosi up.

Armo is carrying a niggle IMO, his leg was strapped, was white in the last as he had obviously had a bit of work on it.


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Post: # 1113114Post saintspremiers »

Lynch is not good enough.

A bit player only.


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Post: # 1113130Post perfectionist »

He was totally useless, that was the point. Not that his sub was much better, but at least he can get the ball although he seems incapable of kicking it to a team mate. They are players 21 and 22 on a list that perhaps goes to 25.


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Re: Point of subbing Lynch off...

Post: # 1113140Post BringBackMadDog »

BigMart wrote:Someone explain it to me...

He is a kid developing, why not give him a full run at it, especially against against a group of other kids....he was not hopeless across hf....even if, why not gove him a crack across hb....

Ross has little or no patience with inexperienced players, certainly puts no faith in them....maybe thats why they have FA confidence and often go from talented kids to good ordinary (safe) role players...

Armitage, after a great game last week, was in for one centre bounce tonight, and played 90% fwd....

Both should do themselves a favour....
The question for me is why is he playing? Average at best, poor user of the ball not hard enough at it


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Post: # 1113142Post BigMart »

Yes geary had a huge impact.....1 disposal

Are we really measuring lynch as a footballer after 5 games....

Thats the point im making, you need to allow inexperience players to be ordinay at times, expose them to AFL footy....they will not

McEvoy was a poor ruckman until about 30 games, he is now better, after 80 he will be at his best.

It was a gutless move, that showed a genuine lack of faith in the kid...


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Post: # 1113224Post barks4eva »

saintspremiers wrote:Lynch is not good enough.

A bit player only.
You're a complete ****** idiot!



Lynch is classy for young kid playing his fifth game!


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Re: Point of subbing Lynch off...

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BigMart wrote:Someone explain it to me...

He is a kid developing, why not give him a full run at it, especially against against a group of other kids....he was not hopeless across hf....even if, why not gove him a crack across hb....

Ross has little or no patience with inexperienced players, certainly puts no faith in them....maybe thats why they have FA confidence and often go from talented kids to good ordinary (safe) role players...

Armitage, after a great game last week, was in for one centre bounce tonight, and played 90% fwd....

Totally agree!

Lynch should be in ahead of Gamble for starters!


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Re: Point of subbing Lynch off...

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barks4eva wrote:
BigMart wrote:Someone explain it to me...

He is a kid developing, why not give him a full run at it, especially against against a group of other kids....he was not hopeless across hf....even if, why not gove him a crack across hb....

Ross has little or no patience with inexperienced players, certainly puts no faith in them....maybe thats why they have FA confidence and often go from talented kids to good ordinary (safe) role players...

Armitage, after a great game last week, was in for one centre bounce tonight, and played 90% fwd....
Gamble presents and marks, allowing the ball to be cleared from defensive 50.
Our Tom Lynch did virtually nothing despite playing against a bunch of kids who have been in the system less years than himself.
I would rather have their Tom Lynch, he clearly has more upside.


Totally agree!

Lynch should be in ahead of Gamble for starters!


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Re: Point of subbing Lynch off...

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barks4eva wrote:
BigMart wrote:Someone explain it to me...

He is a kid developing, why not give him a full run at it, especially against against a group of other kids....he was not hopeless across hf....even if, why not gove him a crack across hb....

Ross has little or no patience with inexperienced players, certainly puts no faith in them....maybe thats why they have FA confidence and often go from talented kids to good ordinary (safe) role players...

Armitage, after a great game last week, was in for one centre bounce tonight, and played 90% fwd....
Gamble presents and marks, allowing the ball to be cleared from defensive 50.
Our Tom Lynch did virtually nothing despite playing against a bunch of kids who have been in the system less years than himself.
I would rather have their Tom Lynch, he clearly has more upside.


Totally agree!

Lynch should be in ahead of Gamble for starters!


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Post: # 1113248Post Thinline »

Lynch HAD a chance to develop.

Played poorly.

Still had a taste.

Illogical OP.


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Post: # 1113257Post BigMart »

Whatwas the point of subbing him off???

Just trying to sap all ofhis confidence....

Our fwd structure was horrible last night...bock had a field day


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Post: # 1113258Post bob__71 »

BigMart wrote:Whatwas the point of subbing him off???

Just trying to sap all ofhis confidence....

Our fwd structure was horrible last night...bock had a field day
Your a complete knob mate. I hope like hell that Lynch has a better attitude than you.

Seems to me that you are still bitter that your mamma stopped breast feeding you.


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Post: # 1113261Post BigMart »

So what was your answer....what was the point of subbing him off..

Instead of going into a sooky defend ross and stk mode, at least give an answer to the posed question

What is ross's record like in develing kids under 23

We have no players under 23 with 50 games


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Post: # 1113273Post Dan Warna »

why haven't our 18 to 20 year olds won brownlow medals?

Everyone under 25 should be immediately traded for brownlow medalists.

everyone over 25 without a brownlow medal should be traded for round 1 picks because they are awesome.

next year or team of of round 1 picks should be shot if they haven't all won a brownlow, or traded for year afters round 1 picks.


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Post: # 1113286Post bob__71 »

BigMart wrote:So what was your answer....what was the point of subbing him off..

Instead of going into a sooky defend ross and stk mode, at least give an answer to the posed question

What is ross's record like in develing kids under 23

We have no players under 23 with 50 games
I did answer, I think your question is just a way of having a cheap shot at what we all know is Ross's methods of player development. I have supported many years of the Saints where they were always an 'exciting young side'.

The point of subbing Lynch off is because he was one of the least effective on the night. And he wasnt gonna magically get any better. And there was a game to be won.


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Post: # 1113288Post ausfatcat »

simple he played crap and the game was still in the balance


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Post: # 1113297Post saintspremiers »

barks4eva wrote:
saintspremiers wrote:Lynch is not good enough.

A bit player only.
You're a complete ****** idiot!



Lynch is classy for young kid playing his fifth game!
Hey listen albino, did I say delist him?

No I didn't.

But he's crap at the moment. May change but we may have other better options.


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Post: # 1113304Post matrix »

lol at albino

sorry barks
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Post: # 1113305Post BigMart »

Gamble ... 15 touches....no marks inside 50.....no goals....full game

Lynch .... 10 touches...... 1 goal.....1 mark iside 50..... 2.5 quarters

Big difference.

Was he that crap?

If he palyed the rest of the game
Picked up 3 more touches and snared another goal
Would 13 poss and 2 goals be a POOR game for a 5th gamer

Siposs was getting lauded for 10 poss and one goal games


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Post: # 1113309Post Dan Warna »

SPADE TO THE HEAD NO BROWNLOW YET!!! PATHETIC!!!!


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Post: # 1113311Post maverick »

BigMart wrote:So what was your answer....what was the point of subbing him off..

Instead of going into a sooky defend ross and stk mode, at least give an answer to the posed question

What is ross's record like in develing kids under 23

We have no players under 23 with 50 games
Good argument as per usual.
Big statement which sounds alarmist, but let's look at similar teams in recent years.

How many do you think Geelong has?
Answer = zero
How many do the Pies have
Answer = 3 - so called young team.
How many do the Dogs have?
Answer = 2
How many do the Hawks have?
Answer = 1

And, in 3 games time we will have the same as the Hawks and one more than the Cats. In case you are wondering that's Ben McEvoy.

There is no substance to this argument.

Lynch was subbed off because Bock was close to their best player for half the night and Lynch was struggling. He had a good taste and will continue to develop. He is coming along as well as he is capable of currently IMO.


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Post: # 1113312Post mich13 »

ausfatcat wrote:simple he played crap and the game was still in the balance
This.

Lynch was completely lost out there last night, those of us at the game expected that he would be the one subbed off. We were there to win the game and so the switch was made. Geary may not have had a stat impact, but his sheparding and around the ball action was alot more effective than Lynch's deer in headlights look.

I agree that the young players do need to get some experience, but if the decision comes down to them getting experience and making a change to win the game, well winning the game comes first every time!


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Post: # 1113333Post BigMart »

Gamble and Kosi were generally opposed to Bock
But anyway

Ben McEvoy has not played 50 games


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