Lenny didn't get in... WGAF? Move on...

HSVKing · Post: # 987268Post **HSVKing** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 12:05am

Why do people care so much about these 'individual' awards?

These are awarded by people who played the games when dinosaurs were roaming around. They have no idea about the current game, about what players are recognised most for in a club situation.

These 'experts' see the stats and judge on that. Lenny's hardball gets, bumps, hard tackles etc just go down as small stats. The leadership he provides compared to most the players who were selected is second to none, but, once again it's all about how they look in the paper.

So, get over this selection and move on. I bet Lenny has, I'm sure he's one not to linger on such a small thing.

To see Lenny with a Premiership Medal around his neck will mean an absolute s***load more than any silly little trophy and a guernsey in a stupid Mickey Mouse competition in the off season.

Go for the big prize Lenny, and show these clowns why you are more valuable to this side than these other players to theirs.

FORTIUS QUO FIDELIUS 2010!

SainterK · Post: # 987275Post **SainterK** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 12:13am

I get the vibe of your post HSV, but this guy didn't just miss out on AA, he should of been AA captain IMO.

I can guarantee that all Lenny's focus will be on beating the Dogs Saturday night at this particular moment, but as a supporter, I feel annoyed this honour has been denied him.

At least some of the 'dinosaurs' are moving on at years end hey...

HSVKing · Post: # 987283Post **HSVKing** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 12:16am

But that's the point I'm making.

The players would be saying 'It's an honour' etc, but I reckon most of them only turn up because they have to.

They know who picks the side etc. Why not have the players pick the side just like they do the AFLPA MVP? Would get a much better side. The players know who the best are, not these suited up media robots.

I'd rather St Kilda have NONE in this side, and be concentrating on the REAL team.

stinger · Post: # 987284Post **stinger** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 12:18am

HSVKing wrote:But that's the point I'm making.

The players would be saying 'It's an honour' etc, but I reckon most of them only turn up because they have to.

They know who picks the side etc. Why not have the players pick the side just like they do the AFLPA MVP? Would get a much better side. The players know who the best are, not these suited up media robots.

I'd rather St Kilda have NONE in this side, and be concentrating on the REAL team.

see your point...

jonesy · Post: # 987294Post **jonesy** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 12:27am

Symbolic of the lack of respect shown towards our footy club.

I doubt if we even won the premiership we'd be given respect and accolades. It would be about how stiff the opposition was.

Had a gut full, i just want to win the flag to stick it up all there collective a$ses,then sail off into the sunset and live happily ever after

HSVKing · Post: # 987295Post **HSVKing** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 12:28am

jonesy wrote:Had a gut full, i just want to win the flag to stick it up all there collective a$ses,then sail off into the sunset and live happily ever after

Exactly, lets win something that actually MATTERS!

saint3d · Post: # 987296Post **saint3d** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 12:29am

People are forgetting the real point. All Australian just doesn't compare to Man-Crush of the Year.

As the inaugural and six-time (consecutive) winner, word is it will be named the Lenny Hayes medal after his retirement.

dcstkfc · Post: # 987297Post **dcstkfc** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 12:36am

a REAL team

HSVKing · Post: # 987298Post **HSVKing** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 12:39am

dcstkfc wrote:a REAL team

Now you understand young grasshopper.

vacuous space · Tue 14 Sep 2010 12:52am

dcstkfc wrote:a REAL team

Hayes even misses out on this team!

HSVKing · Post: # 987305Post **HSVKing** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 12:53am

vacuous space wrote:
dcstkfc wrote:a REAL team

Hayes even misses out on this team!

Haha

Obviously the JPEG was in 2 parts and the Followers and Bench were on the other part.

saintsfooty · Tue 14 Sep 2010 1:41am

HSVKing wrote:
dcstkfc wrote:a REAL team

Now you understand young grasshopper.

15 players...hmmmm

Sam23 · Post: # 987321Post **Sam23** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 1:53am

lol who cares?

um.

Our most desperate, passionate, committed player (well one of them

) not getting recognised by the wider football community is a disgrace and I am disgusted.

True Blue Sainter · Tue 14 Sep 2010 2:19am

dcstkfc wrote:a REAL team

What NO Schneider????

HSVKing · Post: # 987326Post **HSVKing** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 2:24am

Sam23 wrote: wider football community.

3-4 over the hill ex players and journos you mean.

If it were the wider football community then he would have been picked.

Sam23 · Post: # 987327Post **Sam23** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 2:27am

HSVKing wrote:
Sam23 wrote: wider football community.
3-4 over the hill ex players and journos you mean.

If it were the wider football community then he would have been picked.

Bah, who cares how i've worded it.

It's a disgrace that a player of Lenny's caliber gets left out of the "team of the year".

I am disgusted TBH.

No doubt Lenny and every player at our team would give up all individual awards to get the big one this year - but so what?

Name me 10 players who have had better years then Lenny Hayes.

Swan is the only one I can comfortably say.

True Blue Sainter · Tue 14 Sep 2010 2:42am

Sam23 wrote:
HSVKing wrote:
Sam23 wrote: wider football community.
3-4 over the hill ex players and journos you mean.

If it were the wider football community then he would have been picked.
Bah, who cares how i've worded it.

It's a disgrace that a player of Lenny's caliber gets left out of the "team of the year".

I am disgusted TBH.

No doubt Lenny and every player at our team would give up all individual awards to get the big one this year - but so what?

Name me 10 players who have had better years then Lenny Hayes.

Swan is the only one I can comfortably say.

Swan & Ablett I'd say are the only ones. That's it.

plugger66 · Post: # 987347Post **plugger66** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 8:20am

This is the way I see it. Lenny will be slightly disappointed this morning. Hodgey will be quite happy being named captain. In 2 weeks Lenny will hopefully be blind and very very happy having won our second flag in 113 years. Hodgey will be watching all the Saints players lapping it up and will be very jealous.

In 10 years time Lenny could either be 4 time AA and may not have a flag or a 3 time AA and one flag. Will he care that he wasnt 4 time AA. No I doubt it at all but he will care if he is 1 or 2 flag winner or a no time flag winner.

matrix · Post: # 987349Post **matrix** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 8:31am

no ones doubting that and its more than likely correct

what we are saying is he really should of get a gig
robed? yes

matter? not really when he wins the norm smith and has a premiership medal around his neck to go with it

plugger66 · Post: # 987350Post **plugger66** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 8:38am

matrix wrote:no ones doubting that and its more than likely correct

what we are saying is he really should of get a gig
robed? yes

matter? not really when he wins the norm smith and has a premiership medal around his neck to go with it

He was unlucky no doubt but it isnt as if he would be unnoticed by the selectors. He has got in 3 times before. I suppose it is democratic vote and he unluckily missed out. If it was me i would have had Joey out and Lenny in.

ozrulestrace · Tue 14 Sep 2010 9:18am

That's ok, he'll win the Brownlow medal and have a Premiership medallion around his neck, and that's far more important and make the selecton team look even more stupid.

And I would suggest Lenny's own response to this bewildering omission will be to go out and play a blinder on Saturday night.

Moods · Post: # 987361Post **Moods** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 9:40am

Sorry, but I don't buy this 'it doesn't matter the premiership is what matters.' Of COURSE the premiership is what matters. No-one knows this more than Lenny I reckon. However being named AA is just about the highest individual honour a player can get. Most of them have bonuses written into their contracts re things like AA honours and B&F finishes. Lenny, according to Roo, is already underpaid. Robbing someone of what is rightfully theirs is always a crime whether it be literally or figuratively. I'm pissed off about it, not just because he's a sainter, but because he deserved it. Nothing we can do about it I know but sometimes these selection decisions also end up robbing the AA team of it's credibility. It can be argued it's just someone's opinion and it doesn't matter. For mine it does matter, it matters a lot. It robs Lenny of his rightful place in the history of the game. Whether we like it or not, ppl look back at these honours when comparing players. Comparing it to the premiership is like apples and oranges. Not the same thing at all. There's no reason that Lenny couldn't be AA captain, AND a premiership player. Doesn't have to be one or the other.

plugger66 · Post: # 987363Post **plugger66** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 9:42am

Moods wrote:Sorry, but I don't buy this 'it doesn't matter the premiership is what matters.' Of COURSE the premiership is what matters. No-one knows this more than Lenny I reckon. However being named AA is just about the highest individual honour a player can get. Most of them have bonuses written into their contracts re things like AA honours and B&F finishes. Lenny, according to Roo, is already underpaid. Robbing someone of what is rightfully theirs is always a crime whether it be literally or figuratively. I'm pissed off about it, not just because he's a sainter, but because he deserved it. Nothing we can do about it I know but sometimes these selection decisions also end up robbing the AA team of it's credibility. It can be argued it's just someone's opinion and it doesn't matter. For mine it does matter, it matters a lot. It robs Lenny of his rightful place in the history of the game. Whether we like it or not, ppl look back at these honours when comparing players. Comparing it to the premiership is like apples and oranges. Not the same thing at all. There's no reason that Lenny couldn't be AA captain, AND a premiership player. Doesn't have to be one or the other.

But he obviously wasnt good enough to be in the side according to selectors. It is obviously a vote and he missed out. In my mind he is very unlucky but that is all it is. Unlucky.

Moods · Post: # 987364Post **Moods** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 9:48am

Funny how it appears to be just the selectors that don't think he deserved to get in isn't it? On just about all the footy shows last night the one thing they were unanimous about was that Lenny should have been in. Wasn't even up for debate. The footy show which didn't discuss the actual team b/c it hadn't been announced at that point was On The Couch. They had Sheahan's team up where he had Lenny in the guts and captain.

Of course I sound biased b/c I'm a saints supporter, but I reckon it's more than luck, It's just wrong.

plugger66 · Post: # 987368Post **plugger66** » Tue 14 Sep 2010 9:55am

Moods wrote:Funny how it appears to be just the selectors that don't think he deserved to get in isn't it? On just about all the footy shows last night the one thing they were unanimous about was that Lenny should have been in. Wasn't even up for debate. The footy show which didn't discuss the actual team b/c it hadn't been announced at that point was On The Couch. They had Sheahan's team up where he had Lenny in the guts and captain.

Of course I sound biased b/c I'm a saints supporter, but I reckon it's more than luck, It's just wrong.

So what are you actually saying? Surely it is bad luck and nothing else. I would have had him in for sure but I wouldnt have had Joey in. Doesnt matter what I think or anyone but the selectors though.