The Silly Season
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The Silly Season
Dan Houston is reported wanting to come to us. 27 year old half back flanker. I don’t know if we should pursue him? We are even linked to Melb Adam Tomlinson. This isn’t the age demographic we are after!
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Re: The Silly Season
Dan Houston is a fine player however Port would want too much for him.
He is contracted to 2027 so we would need to give at least a first round pick and we cannot afford to pay that.
He is contracted to 2027 so we would need to give at least a first round pick and we cannot afford to pay that.
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Re: The Silly Season
I like what mooney is saying about the tigers , trade everyone of value out to get as many draft pucks for the next couple of years, think their might be something to this …except a lot of ours are too old now but maybe King could bring in 2 high picks , and if anyone else wants out find out now
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Re: The Silly Season
These scenarios are always really interesting to me.SinCitySainter wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 2:32pm Dan Houston is a fine player however Port would want too much for him.
He is contracted to 2027 so we would need to give at least a first round pick and we cannot afford to pay that.
We don’t need him that badly which means we have no obligation to pay a high price.
For whatever reason, it always seems like when a contracted player wants to leave us, we have to run the risk of doing a deal or risk losing him for nothing later. Strange that he signed so long term and wants to go.
I’d say make them an offer and say it’s the best they’re going to get from us otherwise lose him later when he has SFA value and if somebody else swoops in then so be it
There’s no freakin way a 27yo halfback flanker gets you a first round DP
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Re: The Silly Season
To be fair he was AA last year and in the squad this year.skeptic wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 4:33pmThese scenarios are always really interesting to me.SinCitySainter wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 2:32pm Dan Houston is a fine player however Port would want too much for him.
He is contracted to 2027 so we would need to give at least a first round pick and we cannot afford to pay that.
We don’t need him that badly which means we have no obligation to pay a high price.
For whatever reason, it always seems like when a contracted player wants to leave us, we have to run the risk of doing a deal or risk losing him for nothing later. Strange that he signed so long term and wants to go.
I’d say make them an offer and say it’s the best they’re going to get from us otherwise lose him later when he has SFA value and if somebody else swoops in then so be it
There’s no freakin way a 27yo halfback flanker gets you a first round DP
I agree we don't need to be parting with a first round pick for him though. Another team might though.
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Re: The Silly Season
With a new club coming into the competition surely we have learnt every first round pick must be taken to the draft in these (relatively) uncompromised drafts.
Unless you have JHF, Harley Reid or a 20YO gun, you don't trade a first rounder.
Unless you have JHF, Harley Reid or a 20YO gun, you don't trade a first rounder.
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Re: The Silly Season
And I would also say don't bring in any free agents that will dilute our Battle compensation.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 5:08pm With a new club coming into the competition surely we have learnt every first round pick must be taken to the draft in these (relatively) uncompromised drafts.
Unless you have JHF, Harley Reid or a 20YO gun, you don't trade a first rounder.
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I agree completely on this that we don't need to part with a first-round pick for him.St Dave wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 4:53pmTo be fair he was AA last year and in the squad this year.skeptic wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 4:33pmThese scenarios are always really interesting to me.SinCitySainter wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 2:32pm Dan Houston is a fine player however Port would want too much for him.
He is contracted to 2027 so we would need to give at least a first round pick and we cannot afford to pay that.
We don’t need him that badly which means we have no obligation to pay a high price.
For whatever reason, it always seems like when a contracted player wants to leave us, we have to run the risk of doing a deal or risk losing him for nothing later. Strange that he signed so long term and wants to go.
I’d say make them an offer and say it’s the best they’re going to get from us otherwise lose him later when he has SFA value and if somebody else swoops in then so be it
There’s no freakin way a 27yo halfback flanker gets you a first round DP
I agree we don't need to be parting with a first round pick for him though. Another team might though.
However, he has a contract until 2027 so Port have absolutely no requirement to trade him for less than that as he can't walk away for three more years.
If we really want him we will have to pay a high price and more than I believe we should be willing to pay.
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Re: The Silly Season
Macrae now also linked on SEN. Would be a shocking acquisition IMO. Completely overrated and shocking kick of the footy. Big downgrade on crouch.
Houston will surely only happen if we get first round compo for battle.
Soldo also linked to saints by Sam Edmund today.
Houston will surely only happen if we get first round compo for battle.
Soldo also linked to saints by Sam Edmund today.
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Re: The Silly Season
Plus Soldo is in rehab more times than he is on the trackSinCitySainter wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 6:30pm Soldo straight replacement for Campbell without the good clubman vibe.
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To be honest I’m inclined to say no to an experienced Rick back up. If we needed this then just keep Campbell.
Currently we have Hayes, Heath and Keeler. Time or play them
Currently we have Hayes, Heath and Keeler. Time or play them
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Re: The Silly Season
Dan Houston is a sensational footballer, exactly the type Ross Lyon absolutely loves.
He runs off the back line and is a superb decision maker, and possibly the best long penetrating kick in the AFL. He even kicks goals from 60 meters.
Houston is a significantly better footballer than Josh Battle, although a different type. Battle is a tall back, strong bodied, intercept defender.
Houston provides the run and carry, with amazing disposal, a bit like Sinclair, but taller and with even more penetrating disposal.
Houston would not be a direct replacement for Josh Battle, however if we could get a direct swap by using Battle's 1st round draft pick, it would be a big win for the Saints.
If we gained Houston but lost Battle, we'd need to find a strong defender. Shoemakers has the right body size, but I'm not sure he has Battle's defensive skills. Likewise Caminitti, he has the size but not so sure about his defensive skills.
If we do lose Josh Battle, which I hope we don't, we may have to choose between a rookie midfielder or Houston. A very tough choice, and in either case we still need to replace Battle.
He runs off the back line and is a superb decision maker, and possibly the best long penetrating kick in the AFL. He even kicks goals from 60 meters.
Houston is a significantly better footballer than Josh Battle, although a different type. Battle is a tall back, strong bodied, intercept defender.
Houston provides the run and carry, with amazing disposal, a bit like Sinclair, but taller and with even more penetrating disposal.
Houston would not be a direct replacement for Josh Battle, however if we could get a direct swap by using Battle's 1st round draft pick, it would be a big win for the Saints.
If we gained Houston but lost Battle, we'd need to find a strong defender. Shoemakers has the right body size, but I'm not sure he has Battle's defensive skills. Likewise Caminitti, he has the size but not so sure about his defensive skills.
If we do lose Josh Battle, which I hope we don't, we may have to choose between a rookie midfielder or Houston. A very tough choice, and in either case we still need to replace Battle.
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Re: The Silly Season
His disposal efficiency would be well over 75%Brunswicksainter wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 6:06pm Macrae now also linked on SEN. Would be a shocking acquisition IMO. Completely overrated and shocking kick of the footy. Big downgrade on
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Career kicking efficiency is 67%? Averaging 2.6 clangers by foot a game - Riley bonner level stats.Saint 58 wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 8:51pmHis disposal efficiency would be well over 75%Brunswicksainter wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 6:06pm Macrae now also linked on SEN. Would be a shocking acquisition IMO. Completely overrated and shocking kick of the footy. Big downgrade on
He also averages just 11.7 meters gained per disposal, which I believe ranks him among the most ineffectual players to ever play 200+ games. Even in his prime years he was always the type of player you would love to let off the hook because the more ball he had the worse off the dogs were.
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Where do you get your stats from ?
From I can see he's been in the mid+ 70's for the last eight years
https://www.ultimatefooty.com.au/players/1469
From I can see he's been in the mid+ 70's for the last eight years
https://www.ultimatefooty.com.au/players/1469
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Wheeloratings.com you are looking at disposal efficiency not kicking efficiency. His DE % are skewed heavily by his handball to kick ratio.Saint 58 wrote: ↑Wed 28 Aug 2024 10:04pm Where do you get your stats from ?
From I can see he's been in the mid+ 70's for the last eight years
https://www.ultimatefooty.com.au/players/1469
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Fair enough, everyones HB stat would do that
He's Jack Steele standard (kicking, handball)
Wouldn't rate either as "shocking"
I'd still take him for 2-3 years until the kids grow up
He's Jack Steele standard (kicking, handball)
Wouldn't rate either as "shocking"
I'd still take him for 2-3 years until the kids grow up
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Re: The Silly Season
Are you serious
At his best at the dogs he was a gun
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At his best at the dogs he was a gun
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Macrae was an absolute gun player.
His down side was alack of leg speed and as the game gets quicker and he ages this deficiency is getting more exposed.
I really like his as a player, but I don' t think he suits Ross' want for run and carry.
His down side was alack of leg speed and as the game gets quicker and he ages this deficiency is getting more exposed.
I really like his as a player, but I don' t think he suits Ross' want for run and carry.
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Re: The Silly Season
Read a rumour that Curtis Taylor will be a saint next season.
Don’t know anything about him.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players ... aylor.html
Don’t know anything about him.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players ... aylor.html
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Re: The Silly Season
Would take him in a heartbeat. Good footballer.SaintPav wrote: ↑Fri 30 Aug 2024 1:02am Read a rumour that Curtis Taylor will be a saint next season.
Don’t know anything about him.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players ... aylor.html
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Re: The Silly Season
Dan Houston categorically denied that he will leave port on five AA this morning. He was emphatic in his denial so we can probably put a pin in that one.