Skill level by foot

[B.M]

Just shot ourselves in the foot with hideous turnovers and missed goals

Not just this game

But that was the main problem in all losses

Some players just aren’t AFL standard when it comes to disposal

poor execution of skills is the biggest issue at StK

[chook23]

Paton poor skills and decision making

[Teflon]

Just shot ourselves in the foot with hideous turnovers and missed goals

Not just this game

But that was the main problem in all losses

Some players just aren’t AFL standard when it comes to disposal

poor execution of skills is the biggest issue at StK

Again, as Sam Mitchell and others have pointed out - it’s the no 1 responsibility of the coach to train that to design that training so players practice execution under immediate pressure
Suspect cuddles doesn’t do that
You also need to understand the game plan (where players go forwards, backwards, have zero cohesion with a forward line etc put pressure on the ability to execute
Coaches other job is to make it as easy for your players as possible
Ours are confused (see 2 game styles today….first went attacking….second…went negative, stagnant into shell)
We are poorly coached
This side is better than 3/8 last gang season..

[B.M]

Ratten can’t kick it for them.

Nearly all clubs train exactly the same way

Most game plans are similar

Players who can execute deliver results

Not Rattens fault that Battle coughed up 2 rebounds out of d50
Or some of the poor execution under no pressure today
Or
The 4 set shot misses by King last week

At the end of the day, the responsibility to deliver lies with the players!

[Teflon]

Ratten can’t kick it for them.

Nearly all clubs train exactly the same way

Most game plans are similar

Players who can execute deliver results

Not Rattens fault that Battle coughed up 2 rebounds out of d50
Or some of the poor execution under no pressure today
Or
The 4 set shot misses by King last week

At the end of the day, the responsibility to deliver lies with the players!

That’s a lie.
You have no idea
Go ask Mitchell - go search YouTube and get a lesson
Laughable
Ignore the game style impact on skills??
Simplistic analysis…as usual

[B.M]

Mitchell?

How’d his team go this season?

[Otiman]

Execution by foot is down to three aspects.

1. Pressure on disposer
2. Pressure on recipient
3. Skill execution

I'm not convinced our problem is #3. I think the focus needs to be on #2 which is more about movement and field position than skills.

Of course someone with #3 in spades can compensate for issues with #1 and #2 (ref H. Clark)

[B.M]

There were numerous examples today of players who missed targets under no pressure rebounding from d50 or entering i50

Some of the missed targets were basic skill errors which either cost goals for or against

[cwrcyn]

Unforced errors have nothing to do with training, game plan, or coaching. It's a lack of concentration for some, for others it's indecisiveness, and of course there are those whose skills will always be hit or miss, irrespective of coaching.

We played well in general play in the second quarter, only to have a string of poor kicks and handballs gifting goals to the Swans. Throw in a couple of dropped marks in defence, it cost us that game in the end.


Last week it was goal kicking, this week field kicking.


The good news is that it's fixable.

[The_Dud]

Just shot ourselves in the foot with hideous turnovers and missed goals

Not just this game

But that was the main problem in all losses

Some players just aren’t AFL standard when it comes to disposal

poor execution of skills is the biggest issue at StK

Yep, and I have to say your mate Ross is one of the worst culprits and has been for years.

[Rubyjo]

Pre season should start tomorrow ...foot skills foot skills footskills . Design some unbelievable freaking program that guarantees foot skills .

[B.M]

Guarantee my ‘mate Ross’ finishes top 3 in the B&F

Look for more obvious scapegoats

[perfectionist]

Paton poor skills and decision making

dud

[suss]

Ability must have something to do with it. We have drafted too many potatoes who can’t kick the football.

[Otiman]

Just saw Ratts presso, 19/22 weekly clanger counts lost. That's atrocious.

[Teflon]

Unforced errors have nothing to do with training, game plan, or coaching. It's a lack of concentration for some, for others it's indecisiveness, and of course there are those whose skills will always be hit or miss, irrespective of coaching.

We played well in general play in the second quarter, only to have a string of poor kicks and handballs gifting goals to the Swans. Throw in a couple of dropped marks in defence, it cost us that game in the end.


Last week it was goal kicking, this week field kicking.


The good news is that it's fixable.

Except we have AFL coaches (and examples of international soccer coaches stating the exact opposite).

But you’d know more?

[Teflon]

Mitchell?

How’d his team go this season?

Better than the AFL club you coach?
Or are you going to regale us all again with your footballing pedigree?
I mean Sam Mitchell what would he have on you ??
Lol

[Teflon]

For those who just can’t join dots between game plan coaching and skill execution….

Any blind freddy can see we’re poorly coached just like the Richo years, have never seen so many players constantly missing targets by hand and foot..

You can blame the players, but think about it when our players gets the ball, if there’s no space around you, no movement in front you, no one leading, the space you want to kick to is flooded with players, and you just spent most of your petrol tickets chasing blokes because your team constantly turns the ball over for fun!!

What chance have you got to execute your skills? Good teams always seem to be able to find space, leading players going forward, we’re complete opposite.. That’s why Ratten has to take the blame.. not the players..

[Yorkeys]

Just saw Ratts presso, 19/22 weekly clanger counts lost. That's atrocious.

Yes. That's shocking.
They should be able to drill down to identify which players contribute most.
I also suspect some of our players are just plain dumb.
Would not be surprised if forwards feature heavily.

[Teflon]

Just saw Ratts presso, 19/22 weekly clanger counts lost. That's atrocious.

Yes. That's shocking.
They should be able to drill down to identify which players contribute most.
I also suspect some of our players are just plain dumb.
Would not be surprised if forwards feature heavily.

It’s not just about the players
Yes some are but I’d wager many more are derived from a game plan the players are struggling to understand/execute
Why do we swing from attacking ball through the middle…to inexplicably going to chip sideways, backwards, handball mad like a sad Benny Hill show???
Whose teaching that ???
No wonder skill execution suffers
Brad Hill is a 3 tine premiership player lauded for his footskills….in our game plan he’s a liability????
Why is that

[B.M]

Not sure it helps any game plan when players miss 30m kicks under no pressure coming out of the backline

Or handball it behind someone running past

Some of the mistakes were fundamental skill errors

[Yorkeys]

Just saw Ratts presso, 19/22 weekly clanger counts lost. That's atrocious.

Yes. That's shocking.
They should be able to drill down to identify which players contribute most.
I also suspect some of our players are just plain dumb.
Would not be surprised if forwards feature heavily.

It’s not just about the players
Yes some are but I’d wager many more are derived from a game plan the players are struggling to understand/execute
Why do we swing from attacking ball through the middle…to inexplicably going to chip sideways, backwards, handball mad like a sad Benny Hill show???
Whose teaching that ???
No wonder skill execution suffers
Brad Hill is a 3 tine premiership player lauded for his footskills….in our game plan he’s a liability????
Why is that

I would venture to guess what ever our game plan(s) nowhere does it call for the ball carrier to gift possession back to the opposition at the most inopportune time.
I do concede that principle may confuse some players with its inherent complexity.

[Scollop]

Guarantee my ‘mate Ross’ finishes top 3 in the B&F

Look for more obvious scapegoats

Seb has been awesome this year, but...

Seb Ross today on basic stats - 13 kicks and 16 handballs. What would you expect for (DE) disposal efficiency?

He went for a combined 59%. I think his kicking efficiency was lower. Jack Steele (who plays a similar inside role) went at nearly 80% DE today

[Scollop]

Not sure it helps any game plan when players miss 30m kicks under no pressure coming out of the backline

Or handball it behind someone running past

Some of the mistakes were fundamental skill errors

You can't isolate one part of the ground and ignore what happens forward of centre. We turn it over mostly in our forward line

Our total team inside 50 efficiency was 47%. Swans were 57%.

No wonder our backline is under constant pressure when Swans and other teams sling shot it back and catch us out without any time for the mids to give support

Sebyy got good clearance numbers and even good centre clearance numbers but what happened to those disposals. How many clearance disposals just ended up being turnovers?

Seb had 5 x i50's today. How many hit a target?

We won't be a top 4 team with Seb kicking inside 50 or Seb getting clearances at stoppages (or Brad Crouch for that matter)

[Scollop]

saynta

My posts above re Seb Ross are not about ‘hate’. I love guys who give their all and I recognise he has done that

We need bash and crash and we need hard workers and we need dedicated professionals like Seb

He’s done it consistently. I understand he will be rated as one of the best on ground yesterday…BUT

We need elite mids who can match it with the very best in the league. We need talent that is worthy of All Australian nomination to propel the team to greatness. We need x factor. We need silk and we can’t keep playing the same midfield if they can only achieve middle of the table results.