Ladder of Wins Part Deux

[Sainter_Dad]

With thanks to Kosifantutti for the inspiration:

Simple concept for a form ladder. You get one point for every win that a team you have beaten has. This works backward and forward in time. It doesn’t matter if your opponent won a game before or after you beat them, you get a point.
[At Round 6....] So we beat Freo 5, Richmond 2, Hawthorn 3, Gol Coast 2, GWS 1

I have amended the concept to include the number of wins of the opposition / their current % / own %

So - beating a team that has 4 wins but 120% is better than 4 wins and 80% and of course if you have 8 wins and 150% you are better placed than 8 wins and 115%

Updated at the end of Round 10:

-	Team	Actual Ladder Position	Ladder of Wins
1	Melbourne	1	60.98
2	St Kilda	4	42.69
3	Carlton	2	38.22
4	Brisbane Lions	5	35.96
5	Geelong Cats	3	31.57
6	Fremantle	6	31.02
7	Gold Coast Suns	11	24.23
8	Richmond	15	22.82
9	Hawthorn	12	21.84
10	Western Bulldogs	14	20.04
11	Sydney Swans	8	19.64
12	Collingwood	9	25.54
13	Port Adelaide	13	15.30
14	Adelaide Crows	7	13.54
15	GWS Giants	10	5.77
16	Essendon	16	4.48
17	West Coast Eagles	18	2.64
18	North Melbourne	17	0.28

Does this make sense to anyone??

[saynta]

Ah, no.

[Sainter_Dad]

Ah, no.

Adelaide have beaten:
Port Adelaide - 4 wins @ 103% = 4.12 points
Richmond - 6 wins @ 120.4% = 7.224 points
Western Bulldogs - 5 wins @ 110.70% = 5.535 points
Total points - 16.879 @ 80.20% (Adelaide's %)

Ladder of Wins points - 13.54

We have beaten:
Fremantle (7 wins @ 139.4%) = 9.758
Richmond (6 wins @ 120.4%) = 7.224
Hawthorn (3 wins @ 91%) = 2.73
Gold Coast Suns (4 wins @ 93.6%) = 3.744
GWS Giants (3 wins @ 86.6%) = 2.598
Geelong Cats (6 wins @ 124.80%) = 7.488
Adelaide Crows (3 wins @ 80.2%) = 2.406

Total points - 35.849 @ 118.10% (Our %)

Ladder of Wins points - 42.45 (now 43.60 points)

This of course has now changed because Hawthorn just became a better win as they beat Brisbane.
Hawthorn (4 wins @ 92.60%) = 3.704

[perfectionist]

Deux?

[CQ SAINT]

Deux?

V2???

[remboy]

With thanks to Kosifantutti for the inspiration:

Simple concept for a form ladder. You get one point for every win that a team you have beaten has. This works backward and forward in time. It doesn’t matter if your opponent won a game before or after you beat them, you get a point.
[At Round 6....] So we beat Freo 5, Richmond 2, Hawthorn 3, Gol Coast 2, GWS 1

I have amended the concept to include the number of wins of the opposition / their current % / own %

So - beating a team that has 4 wins but 120% is better than 4 wins and 80% and of course if you have 8 wins and 150% you are better placed than 8 wins and 115%

Updated at the end of Round 10:

-	Team	Actual Ladder Position	Ladder of Wins
1	Melbourne	1	60.98
2	St Kilda	4	42.69
3	Carlton	2	38.22
4	Brisbane Lions	5	35.96
5	Geelong Cats	3	31.57
6	Fremantle	6	31.02
7	Gold Coast Suns	11	24.23
8	Richmond	15	22.82
9	Hawthorn	12	21.84
10	Western Bulldogs	14	20.04
11	Sydney Swans	8	19.64
12	Collingwood	9	25.54
13	Port Adelaide	13	15.30
14	Adelaide Crows	7	13.54
15	GWS Giants	10	5.77
16	Essendon	16	4.48
17	West Coast Eagles	18	2.64
18	North Melbourne	17	0.28

Does this make sense to anyone??

Nobody loves a good stat more than me. This is fantastic. Thanks:)

[nostalgicsaint]

Also love it

[CQ SAINT]

Yes. I love it too. Its fun and pertinent to a comp which is clearly dominated by one team and evening out across the next 8 or 9 clubs. What's more, we should be 2nd right now IMHO, only poor goal kicking has let us down.
We are hard to beat and have beaten ourselves twice.

[SaintPav]

We’ll be fourth next week.

[shanegrambeau]

Please don't write "Geelong Cats". Geelong will do.

Damn this American crap.

But I love the idea...and if you could incorporate injuries into the concept, it would be even better.

Don't ask me how, That's your specialty. But I'd say you'd have to credit teams where players are due to return rather than teams with players out for the season.

Cos you might have a team win three tough games on teh trot, and suffer three season ending injuries - their position would be inflated.

BUt anyway, as is its a beaut!

[Sainter_Dad]

Please don't write "Geelong Cats". Geelong will do.

Damn this American crap.

But I love the idea...and if you could incorporate injuries into the concept, it would be even better.

Don't ask me how, That's your specialty. But I'd say you'd have to credit teams where players are due to return rather than teams with players out for the season.

Cos you might have a team win three tough games on teh trot, and suffer three season ending injuries - their position would be inflated.

BUt anyway, as is its a beaut!

Geelong Cats is how the AFL refer to them - and it is where I source the data - I will try and see how long the amendment takes to remove it.

[kosifantutti]

Simplified / original version

Team	Points
Melbourne	37
St Kilda	33
Carlton	32
Brisbane	26
Fremantle	24
Collingwood	23
Gold Coast	22
Richmond	20
Geelong	19
Hawthorn	19
Bulldogs	18
Sydney	17
Adelaide	15
Port Adelaide	14
GWS	8
Essendon	7
West Coast	5
North	1

[Beno88]

Every season where St Kilda win in South Australia, they finish 6th or higher.

[minneapolis]

Please don't write "Geelong Cats". Geelong will do.

Damn this American crap.

But I love the idea...and if you could incorporate injuries into the concept, it would be even better.

Don't ask me how, That's your specialty. But I'd say you'd have to credit teams where players are due to return rather than teams with players out for the season.

Cos you might have a team win three tough games on teh trot, and suffer three season ending injuries - their position would be inflated.

BUt anyway, as is its a beaut!

Nothing wrong with American Crap.

[Sainter_Dad]

If anyone is interested after Round 11:

-	Team	Actual Ladder Position	Ladder of Wins
1	Melbourne	1	63.67
2	Fremantle	2	52.92
3	St Kilda	5	50.26
4	Brisbane Lions	4	45.05
5	Carlton	3	41.63
6	Geelong Cats	6	39.72
7	Collingwood	14	39.46
8	Gold Coast Suns	9	32.34
9	Sydney Swans	11	29.25
10	Western Bulldogs	15	26.87
11	Richmond	12	25.29
12	Hawthorn	13	23.84
13	Port Adelaide	8	20.68
14	Adelaide Crows	10	15.29
15	GWS Giants	7	6.86
16	Essendon	16	4.28
17	West Coast Eagles	17	3.07
18	North Melbourne	18	0.26

[kosifantutti]

I'm going to stick with the original version while it suits us.

Team	Points
Melbourne	41
St Kilda	37
Carlton	35
Fremantle	35
Collingwood	34
Brisbane	33
Gold Coast	28
Geelong	24
Sydney	24
Richmond	22
Hawthorn	22
Bulldogs	22
Port Adelaide	18
Adelaide	17
GWS	9
Essendon	7
West Coast	6
North	1

[Sainter_Dad]

I'm going to stick with the original version while it suits us.

Nothing like the stubbornness of a St Kilda supporter when it comes to Rose Coloured Glasses - lol

[desertsaint]

I'm going with the version that awards 5 bonus points if the team directly above you has won more premierships than you in the last two years!

Team	Points
St. Kilda	42
Melbourne	41
Carlton	35
Fremantle	35
Collingwood	34
Brisbane	33
Gold Coast	28
Hawthorn	27
Geelong	24
Sydney	24
Richmond	22
Bulldogs	22
Port Adelaide	18
Adelaide	17
GWS	9
Essendon	7
West Coast	6
North	1

[samuraisaint]

Every season where St Kilda win in South Australia, they finish 6th or higher.

Is that right? Great stat.

[nostalgicsaint]

If anyone is interested after Round 11:

-	Team	Actual Ladder Position	Ladder of Wins
1	Melbourne	1	63.67
2	Fremantle	2	52.92
3	St Kilda	5	50.26
4	Brisbane Lions	4	45.05
5	Carlton	3	41.63
6	Geelong Cats	6	39.72
7	Collingwood	14	39.46
8	Gold Coast Suns	9	32.34
9	Sydney Swans	11	29.25
10	Western Bulldogs	15	26.87
11	Richmond	12	25.29
12	Hawthorn	13	23.84
13	Port Adelaide	8	20.68
14	Adelaide Crows	10	15.29
15	GWS Giants	7	6.86
16	Essendon	16	4.28
17	West Coast Eagles	17	3.07
18	North Melbourne	18	0.26

Always interested. Thank you

[Sainter_Dad]

Over time the Ladder of Wins has equalised - Spoiler Alert - we are still 10th

-	Team	Actual Ladder Position	Ladder of Wins
1	Geelong Cats	1	230.99
2	Sydney Swans	2	187.32
3	Melbourne	3	180.84
4	Brisbane Lions	4	167.5
5	Fremantle	6	166.71
6	Collingwood	5	152.22
7	Richmond	7	136.07
8	Carlton	8	113.34
9	Western Bulldogs	9	107.64
10	St Kilda	10	105.42
11	Gold Coast Suns	12	80.04
12	Port Adelaide	11	75.46
13	Hawthorn	13	64.72
14	Essendon	15	62.57
15	Adelaide Crows	14	47.58
16	GWS Giants	16	26.86
17	West Coast Eagles	17	13.24
18	North Melbourne	18	8.74

[The Fireman]

You hurt my brain

[Sainter_Dad]

You hurt my brain

You hurt my feelings!

I have submitted one of these:
http://cdn.ceo.ca.s3-us-west-2.amazonaw ... Report.pdf

[The Fireman]

You hurt my brain

You hurt my feelings!

I have submitted one of these:
http://cdn.ceo.ca.s3-us-west-2.amazonaw ... Report.pdf

Filled it out.

So are we square ?

[Sainter_Dad]

You hurt my brain

You hurt my feelings!

I have submitted one of these:
http://cdn.ceo.ca.s3-us-west-2.amazonaw ... Report.pdf

Filled it out.

So are we square ?

LOL - no - it was my feelings that were hurt - I filled it out and submitted it to the Mods - lol!