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Hind & Dunstan!

Post: # 1948873Post PADDLEPOP1001 »

A few people thought we would live to regret getting rid of these two but their form at the moment would say otherwise,I do acknowledge Hinds great season last year but with our new found depth it seems the decisions made are ok to date!


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Post: # 1948876Post skeptic »

There’s absolutely no doubt that we got unders for Hind and regardless of his things went... he should have stayed on the list ahead of a few others we kept.
That fact that we’ve got great cover across HBF softens the impact but it still wasn’t great management

Dunstan I didn’t really care for until his recall last year.

All I’d say about Luke is we’d get better value with him on the list then Hannebery though the latter had a contract.
Dunstan may provide value for them yet if the Demons get a lot of injuries


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Re: Hind & Dunstan!

Post: # 1948877Post SunnyErnie »

We should have kept Hind instead of Kent.


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Post: # 1948881Post kosifantutti »

It’s all easy in HINDsight.


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Post: # 1948887Post CQ SAINT »

Sinclair goes alright. Maybe Essendon will swap.


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Post: # 1948889Post magnifisaint »

Both of them are classy VFL players.


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Post: # 1948906Post Killa »

Sometimes the interests of the player are put first - including opportunity to play at the level

Hind, Parker, Young et al plugged a hole with the demographics of our List at that time

Then there was Wilkie

Ditto Acres where there was no reason apart from the view a return to his home State would benefit his development

Dunstan left for a reasons perculiar to Dunstan - as Howard left Porr Adelade for very particular reasons (and not as speculated)

It happens

Swings and roundabouts


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Post: # 1948908Post Banger9798 »

Obviously both can play, but salary cap dictates we have to lose players of quality sometimes.

Look at the firesale at Collingwood.

We are 1 gun midfielder (Taranto) short of a good side, Jones and Billings and Clark to come back, still Highmore and Sharman in the wings.

List management going ok at the moment


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Post: # 1948912Post B.M »

I think both players have good AFL attributes (Hind = pace, Dunstan = stoppages)

But both have gaps in their game (Hind = decision making and consistency, Dunstan = offensive spread and defensive spread)


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Post: # 1948943Post Vortex »

Dunstan made a mistake chosing Melbourne. He clearly isn't capable of playing in a top 4 midfield let alone playing in this Melbourne midfield.

The big question for mine is; would he be getting a game in the Suns midfield?

The Suns aren't far off playing finals and so it would seem a no-brainer for Dunstan to choose the Suns over the Dees. He'd at least be a chance of getting a game up there you'd think.
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Post: # 1948949Post Saintmike65 »

The most puzzling thing with Hind was we tried to turn him into a forward, when his best footy previously was half back & wing.
This when we already had other small forward options.
I also thought we got rid of Parker and Mayo pre maturely…Mayo was only at the club 5 minutes, did his knee and shown the door!!
Parker struggled with the iso in Noosa, should have been given another year.


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Post: # 1948953Post magnifisaint »

Vortex wrote: Mon 18 Apr 2022 6:37am Dunstan made a mistake chosing Melbourne. He clearly isn't capable of playing in a top 4 midfield let alone playing in this Melbourne midfield.

The big question for mine is; would he be getting a game in the Suns midfield?

The Suns aren't far off playing finals and so it would seem a no-brainer for Dunstan to choose the Suns over the Dees. He's at least be a chance of getting a game up there you'd think.
Definitely not good enough for the Sun's midfielders. The Sun's have a lot of elite disposers of the footy. Unfortunately Dunstan wouldn't fit in.


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Re: Hind & Dunstan!

Post: # 1948954Post remboy »

Neither of them would be getting a game for us at the moment.


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Post: # 1948955Post magnifisaint »

Hind didn't have a great game against the Dockers. There's daylight between Sinclair and Hind


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Post: # 1948962Post diddley »

I’m loving the amount of questioning about the list and decisions made in the past 2 years, while we are sitting 4-1 and in 4th spot on the ladder. 1 delisting or trade does not define the whole list.


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Post: # 1948967Post Goose is king »

Hind has been putrid this season, Dunstan offers nothing we don’t already have a plethora of


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Re: Hind & Dunstan!

Post: # 1948991Post minneapolis »

Killa wrote: Sun 17 Apr 2022 11:38pm Sometimes the interests of the player are put first - including opportunity to play at the level

Hind, Parker, Young et al plugged a hole with the demographics of our List at that time

Then there was Wilkie

Ditto Acres where there was no reason apart from the view a return to his home State would benefit his development

Dunstan left for a reasons perculiar to Dunstan - as Howard left Porr Adelade for very particular reasons (and not as speculated)

It happens

Swings and roundabouts
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Dunstan left with sour grapes

Said he wouldn’t play at StK even if they offered him a contract and would rather work on a building sit with Gilbo. He hated even going to Moorabbin to work and was glad to leave. Hates Ratten.


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Hind is too small (height and strength) and Dunstan butchers the ball. The only thing worse than not getting the ball is getting it and giving it straight to your opponents. Speaking of which, the most interesting stat from the game on Saturday was that almost all of our goals came from clearances and almost all of their goals came from turnovers. Our game is very much like Melbourne's - except for the turnovers.


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Re: Hind & Dunstan!

Post: # 1949014Post Yorkeys »

You may have heard Matt Finnis interviewed on radio before the Suns' game.

It was a friendly enough tone but they asked him some searching questions.

As part of one reply he said the review conducted a while ago identified where improvement in players hence performance was/needed to come from.

The ones that consistently performed were obviously keepers (eg Membrey, Steele: week in week out great performances; those with youth and potential to improve were also marked as keepers, the rest were marked for trade.

Hind and Luke were ones that while acknowledges as AFL standard, were marked as not being part of the future/finals campaigns i.e. no improvement there as far as team performance was concerned, for Saint Kilda.

Hence let them go find a niche. Nothing personal just part of a new harder nose, future orientated strategy.

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perfectionist wrote: Mon 18 Apr 2022 11:56am Hind is too small (height and strength) and Dunstan butchers the ball. The only thing worse than not getting the ball is getting it and giving it straight to your opponents. Speaking of which, the most interesting stat from the game on Saturday was that almost all of our goals came from clearances and almost all of their goals came from turnovers. Our game is very much like Melbourne's - except for the turnovers.
That's interesting. Watching first crack, the only Core Four measure Melbourne were not good with was clearances but dismantled GWS with and without the ball.

Despite the fear off Witts and the GC young guns we almost evened the tap outs and took the clearances.

We are ranked 4 with clearance over all. Melbourne are 9th.

Our stats are actually very similar to Brisbanes. Noting we are average at rebounds and inside 50's but we are strong defensively and and extremely effective when inside 50.

We are controlling the ball and holding possession and scoring from turnovers, now we add scoring from clearance. Thats exciting.
It appears that better fitness translates to better skill.

I can't see GWS matching us on current form.

Dunstan believes he was being played out of position and set out to prove a point. He did and left. Although I'm not sure he would have maintained that form for much longer.
His skill and fitness weren't that reliable. He had quite a break from the elite standard when he eventually got a chance.


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Re: Hind & Dunstan!

Post: # 1950813Post Vortex »

Could you mount an argument that Hind cost Bombers the game?


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I thought he cost Essendon nothing?


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Post: # 1950822Post CURLY »

Vortex wrote: Mon 25 Apr 2022 6:57pm Could you mount an argument that Hind cost Bombers the game?
Hind was putrid today.


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Re: Hind & Dunstan!

Post: # 1950824Post saynta »

CQ SAINT wrote: Mon 25 Apr 2022 7:00pm I thought he cost Essendon nothing?
Correct.


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