Changes next week

[Milan Faletic]

I will not attend another game when Dawson or Clark are in the team.

Just beat the "drop Dal Santo" post for the worst post of the year.

So enjoy your next few years at home then.

[Dr Spaceman]

Why not give Walsh a run?? No he is not ready yet. But would him coming in really make our forward line function any worse than it did last night?? And is there any better option?? When Kosi is not in the ruck, play him at CHF, and keep Walsh back in the goal square, with Jack or Milne standing right next to him.

IMO, it's not simply about whether the forward line would function better or worse with Walsh in it.

TW is a (long term) project player, still learning the game (the rules, the plays, where to run, how to, well, everything). The last thing you want to do is bring him in to the Etihad cauldron with 40,000 fans screaming their lungs out and with the pressure of 4 premiership points. If he couldn't get the ball, or more importantly, made several embarrassing errors through a lack of experience, it could really set the guy back.

I think he'll make it but we need to be really sure he's learned the game before we ask him to perform on the big stage.

[One Eyed Saint]

In - Walsh to Fullback
Out - Dawson


Surely Tommy can offer us more than Zac has recently....

[rexy]

Milan faletic

Whilst I would find it a tad reactionary to drop DalSanto on the basis of one game, his effort was attrocious last night. I am not talking about posession either, I am talking about attitude, not only did he fail to get the ball, he also allowed his opponent to lead him to it when they had it, failed to chase or apply preassure and generally just cruised around saying to himself gee Im being well tagged.

As I said, a bit drastic to drop him on that basis, but not much more far fetched than your insistance on dropping Schneider? Looks to be working overtime for a small forward IMO.

And I agree, refusing to go to games based on your disagreement with selection is ridiculous. Just hpe this poster can reflect on this decision and is just angry and upset at our recent poor form.

[Zippy]

Out: King
In: Armitage if available, Peake if Armitage is injured.

Kosi/Gardiner as ruckmen, only rarely drifting forward

Return to rotating our defenders up to the forward line . Kosi in his current state isn't helping the forward line, but a game or two as a pure ruckman might shake him out of it.

[degruch]

Milan faletic

Whilst I would find it a tad reactionary to drop DalSanto on the basis of one game, his effort was attrocious last night. I am not talking about posession either, I am talking about attitude, not only did he fail to get the ball, he also allowed his opponent to lead him to it when they had it, failed to chase or apply preassure and generally just cruised around saying to himself gee Im being well tagged.

As I said, a bit drastic to drop him on that basis, but not much more far fetched than your insistance on dropping Schneider? Looks to be working overtime for a small forward IMO.

And I agree, refusing to go to games based on your disagreement with selection is ridiculous. Just hpe this poster can reflect on this decision and is just angry and upset at our recent poor form.

Agree...I think his punishment should be to go around to Andrew Carazzo's house and do the dishes each night, then watch his game 20 times this week. Very annoying to see poor attitude creeping back into his game, after he seemed to have conquered it the last 2 years. Hoping he'll be back next week, certainly no way in hell he'll be dropped from the team IMO.

[rexy]

Milan faletic

Whilst I would find it a tad reactionary to drop DalSanto on the basis of one game, his effort was attrocious last night. I am not talking about posession either, I am talking about attitude, not only did he fail to get the ball, he also allowed his opponent to lead him to it when they had it, failed to chase or apply preassure and generally just cruised around saying to himself gee Im being well tagged.

As I said, a bit drastic to drop him on that basis, but not much more far fetched than your insistance on dropping Schneider? Looks to be working overtime for a small forward IMO.

And I agree, refusing to go to games based on your disagreement with selection is ridiculous. Just hpe this poster can reflect on this decision and is just angry and upset at our recent poor form.

Agree...I think his punishment should be to go around to Andrew Carazzo's house and do the dishes each night, then watch his game 20 times this week. Very annoying to see poor attitude creeping back into his game, after he seemed to have conquered it the last 2 years. Hoping he'll be back next week, certainly no way in hell he'll be dropped from the team IMO.

Dont know if you remember a footy show skit after Shannahan kept Dunstall goal less in 97. Showed Piggy getting breakfast, brushing his teeth etc and everytime he picked something up Shannas came in from behind and punched it from his hands.

Just came in to my mind reading your post.

[clarky449]

In - Walsh to Fullback
Out - Dawson


Surely Tommy can offer us more than Zac has recently....

Surely your joking, If you arent you have no clue

[One Eyed Saint]

Absolutely crazy I am!!!!!!

Why would we want to bring in TW who would give us:
* Defensive pressure
* Greater one on one physical presence
* Greater athleticism

To replace Zac who gives us:
* Limited defensive pressure (needs chop out from teammates)
* Bugger all physical presence
* Average atheticism.

Your right, what am I thinking.........














I must be crazy

[35...LEGEND]

Out King...Steven ,Geary

In McEvoy...Peake...Armo.

IMO Fish and Gilb are a must down back,along with Bakes..............Blakey,Jimmy and Fish to sort out match ups.

Schnadzo to HBF , nice kick ,ala Guerra type roll.

Plenty of drive off HB and through the middle with Bj,Grammy,Joey,Schnadz,Dal,Lenny,Gilb and Fish........if there ain't enough talent and smarts to get the ball forward from this lot,well,I give up.

CJ,BJ, Dal,Len,Ray,McQ,Armo and Monty all going through the middle at times..........mix it up a bit.

think zac should go forward for a while,has shown signs of knowing how to be lead up forward....and lay some havy tackles young fella,like last year.

Farren Ray Ray forward also....can take a good grab for his size,stay as deep as possible,cruise the forward 30-35,side to side,up and back...supposed to have the engine to do it. We are not taking enough grabs in F50,hopefully he can help here.

RayRay and BJ to alternate between Centre and FP a couple times a qtr.
Ray forward most of time though.

McQ,must play......run around,create another option around HF,defensive pressure.

Peake...get the ball at 70,run for 10-15,hit the leading forward or go for home.................forward pressure also..

Kos,Big Mac and Gardi to rotate through FF and Bench.

Need atleast 1 maybe 2 forwards to stay at home or as close to home(50 M area) as they can to provide options coming forward.

LOL,sounds easy aye........

Blake.....Gwilt...... Baker

Gilbert....Fisher.....Schneider

Gram.....Goddard....Joey

Peake..... Zac....... McQ

Milne...... Kos...... RayRay

Rucks
Gardiner......Dal......Lendog

Int...C.J...McEvoy...Armo....Raph (forward ,Back or Wing)

Prob missed someone

[One Eyed Saint]

With Zac & Kosi up forward, the ball will come out faster than it comes in.

If we persist with Kosi up forward we need more mobile and fleet of foot forwards than Zac.

[Teflon]

With Zac & Kosi up forward, the ball will come out faster than it comes in.

If we persist with Kosi up forward we need more mobile and fleet of foot forwards than Zac.

correct.

you need someone who is tall enough to help our structure and offre up a genuine lead upoption.......and who may take the odd grab/goal....but equally, someone who is fast enough to exert fwd 50 pressure...

if only we had someone in the 2's who could fit the bill.....


hang on

[35...LEGEND]

With Zac & Kosi up forward, the ball will come out faster than it comes in.

If we persist with Kosi up forward we need more mobile and fleet of foot forwards than Zac.

Was thinking Zac as the hit up forward,between 40 and centre,Kos and Ray at home ,Mcq,Tiprat and Peake buzzing around.
Maybe Zac out for Stanley or Heyne then.

[mad saint guy]

Absolutely crazy I am!!!!!!

Why would we want to bring in TW who would give us:
* Defensive pressure
* Greater one on one physical presence
* Greater athleticism

To replace Zac who gives us:
* Limited defensive pressure (needs chop out from teammates)
* Bugger all physical presence
* Average atheticism.

Walsh? In the AFL after playing what, 5 games of footy? He would be consistently out played in front of goal, have ordinary defensive skills and his athleticism wouldn't be much good loping 10m behind his opponent.

I'm not bagging him at all; I think his progress has been excellent, but you are absolutely deluding yourself if you think he wouldn't be a complete liability in an AFL side this week.

I agree that Zac had a horrid start to the season but I don't think people have actually bothered watching him in the last two games. He hasn't been brilliant but he hasn't made mistakes either. He made some good spoils last night and was the only player who ever looked like taking a mark up forward.

[SaintTom]

Absolutely crazy I am!!!!!!

Why would we want to bring in TW who would give us:
* Defensive pressure
* Greater one on one physical presence
* Greater athleticism

To replace Zac who gives us:
* Limited defensive pressure (needs chop out from teammates)
* Bugger all physical presence
* Average atheticism.

Walsh? In the AFL after playing what, 5 games of footy? He would be consistently out played in front of goal, have ordinary defensive skills and his athleticism wouldn't be much good loping 10m behind his opponent.

I'm not bagging him at all; I think his progress has been excellent, but you are absolutely deluding yourself if you think he wouldn't be a complete liability in an AFL side this week.

I agree that Zac had a horrid start to the season but I don't think people have actually bothered watching him in the last two games. He hasn't been brilliant but he hasn't made mistakes either. He made some good spoils last night and was the only player who ever looked like taking a mark up forward.

Agree that Zac was the only one looking to take a mark up forward. The problem I have with him is confidence. As soon as he took that mark (what, 40, 45 out?) he looked desperately everywhere to find someone to dish it off to. The moment he did that you could tell he was going to spray the shot, which he did. Need to spend a bit more time in front of goals in training maybe? Or just get given a few full games at FF, rather than getting wrenched around the ground willy nilly.

[ace]

I would like to see Dawson played at centre half forward, he seemed to be better at that position when moved there than Koschitze.
If he plays the true position his pathetic kicking wont be such a problem but he would provide the marking target on the forward line that is missing.
Goddard and Fisher are not tall enough and Gilbert is just so reliable marking in defence.
I would also like to see Goddard up forward when we are in attack, but further back when the opposition has possession.
Wholesale droppings are not called for especially when the replacements are no better.
With almost as many inside 50s as Carlton it is the forward structure that seems to be the problem.
6 goals, 7 goals, 9 goals maybe this week it can go into double figures.


B: Baker, Fisher, Blake
HB: Clarke, Gilbert, Gwilt
C: Montagna, Hayes, Gram
HF: McQualter, Dawson, Goddard
F: Milne, Koschitzke, Schneider
R: Gardiner, Dal Santo, Jones

Int: King, Ray, Geary, Armitage

In: Armitage
Out: Steven

Emerg: Stanley, Steven, Peake

[Ghost Like]

I will not attend another game when Dawson or Clark are in the team.

Another great supporter. Be like a tigers supporter and rip up your membership. No one needs supporters like you.

Not ripping it up fool, as usual you are a wanka

Why keep it. You are obviously not going again this year.

What I do is not your business

Congratulations BP, top two of the worst posts in a single thread I've seen...first you post your dummy spit in a public forum & then you tell people who read it that it's not their business...that's pure gold

Honourable mentions for equal worst posts must go to the 'drop Dal Santo & Schneider' thinkers.

[dcstkfc]

I will not attend another game when Dawson or Clark are in the team.

Another great supporter. Be like a tigers supporter and rip up your membership. No one needs supporters like you.

Good to see you know how to spell Clarke ya muppet.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

I would like to see Dawson played at centre half forward, he seemed to be better at that position when moved there than Koschitze.
If he plays the true position his pathetic kicking wont be such a problem but he would provide the marking target on the forward line that is missing.
Goddard and Fisher are not tall enough and Gilbert is just so reliable marking in defence.
I would also like to see Goddard up forward when we are in attack, but further back when the opposition has possession.
Wholesale droppings are not called for especially when the replacements are no better.
With almost as many inside 50s as Carlton it is the forward structure that seems to be the problem.
6 goals, 7 goals, 9 goals maybe this week it can go into double figures.


B: Baker, Fisher, Blake
HB: Clarke, Gilbert, Gwilt
C: Montagna, Hayes, Gram
HF: McQualter, Dawson, Goddard
F: Milne, Koschitzke, Schneider
R: Gardiner, Dal Santo, Jones

Int: King, Ray, Geary, Armitage

In: Armitage
Out: Steven

Emerg: Stanley, Steven, Peake

I see you're back on here, "ace", yet no response to your big chest-thumping, pile of verbal diarrhea on your other post? So, do you take it back, or are you going to step up to the line and back up what you said? Or are you too busy cowering? We're waiting.

[borderbarry]

Ace, King has done a hammy.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

Maybe "ace" has done a hammy, running away.

[SainterK]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/l ... 5865734126

The Saints will make up to three changes this week, with Steven King missing with a hamstring problem. Ben McEvoy will replace him, and it's likely to be a permanent swap.

[Solar]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/l ... 5865734126

The Saints will make up to three changes this week, with Steven King missing with a hamstring problem. Ben McEvoy will replace him, and it's likely to be a permanent swap.

anyone find that annoying, why not press lyon for who else might get the chop?

BTW the coaches view is similar tp mine, clarke tries to make things perfect and gets caught. Sometimes needs to create a series of outlets that he can use when he is unable to make the hit up kick straight away. Similar to how jones has the ability to circle around and look to pass it off when forced onto the left.

[groupie1]

Does anyone know how Lynch is traveling? He did a couple nice things in the NAB cup - nice kick for goal.

I felt that, like all year, our skill level let us down. Ball use. When are people going to realise that ball use... not forward pressure, tackling, contested possessions... ball use is AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN the key to success in this sport. Why we were so good last year was because of a massive lift in ball use skills. From 2008 to 2009 you got:
Good ball users getting more of the ball - Goddard, Dal, Mini, Raph, and also Ray coming in to the side
Ball use improvers getting more of it: Montagna, Gram, Roo
Continued brilliance of the fab four: Roo, Hayes, Baker, Fisher
Slow improvement of awful ball users: Jones

This year:
Mini and Raph are down (except for against WB)
Roo is out
Gram's been out
Ray missed one
Montagna and Baker have been down
Fisher has been down
Jones has been flat since the Brent Butchering

Hayes and Goddard have been the only ones to maintain consistent form, ALTHOUGH has anyone else noticed Goddard's appalling ball use over the past two weeks?

Only guy to really improve this year has been Gwilt, who has almost been our best player in 2010.

You add all these things up: Gram 2, Roo 4, Ray 1, Fisher down and missing 2-3... starts to take a toll on team performance.


Why I say and keep saying we can't have Blake and Dawson in the one team; we have to make a decision over Schneids, Mini, Milne, (lose Schneids in favor of Steven, Armo, or A Smith); why we need to hope J Smith comes good; why we need McEvoy in to replace King permanently and why we want Godd to start hitting those training drills is because BALL USE wins games and POOR BALL USE LOSES GAMES and Aussie Rules hasn't changed much when you consider that fact and we need to get quality on the park at all costs. I'd prefer to see Lynch in than Heyne (ball use); one of our sloppy tall backs out, J Smith coming good for us and Raph persisted with.

Quality on the park, gentlemen, is what it's all about.
Blokes who can and do hit targets.

My side
Baker Blake or Dawson R Clarke
Gilbert Fisher Gwilt Geary
Montagna Hayes Ray
Mini Roo Gram
Kozi Milne
FOLL: Gardiner, Jones, Gram
Int: Goddard, J Smith, McEvoy, Steven

In fact, from a quality on the park perspective, I'd be happy to allow Blake AND Dawson to make way for a new, slick, yet still big-bodied backline lead by Fisher, Gwilt, Gilbert and Baker
I'd only bring Blake in for the absolute monster clubs (Lions, Hawks)
Surely Fisher and Gwilt can handle all other comers.

[IluvHarvey]

I will not attend another game when Dawson or Clark are in the team.

Good! We wont miss you either!!