Sandy vs Coburg Rd 4- reports/video

[Solar]

to those knocking the sandy team today must remember that a good part of coburg SHOULD be playing AFL rght now. Ours are mainly developing players.

Plus where is this rubbish about stanley having OP coming from. Never seen a guy sprint that fast with OP....

[ace]

I went also.

No changes unless Gram is back, the magoos are all fairly useless.

Peake was shyte, really poor effort for someone who has played 50 odd games of AFL footy, don't lower yourself!

It is hard to sour like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys.
I remember watching one saints player in the Casey team on TV a number of times.
This player had played some AFL games but for some reason had to suffer in the VFL.
He had all the right moves, he put his head over the ball, he had great disposal and he ran and ran.

He was surrounded by teammates who could not hit a target by foot or hand.
He would run to the perfect posiiton to receive but his team mate would handpass straight to his opponent.
He was then forced to lay a tackle but for no possession.

I almost cried for this guys suffering with the turkeys.
He looked so much more skilled and out of place.
He finally got his break in the saints team, and has not been dropped since.

Now Joey is a superstar of the AFL.

The standard of most VFL players is so below the standard of AFL.
You need to look at how they play, not what they achieve in the lower quality competition.
Remember Gwilt got promoted to the Saints while playing for Casey reserves.

Peake has to adjust to the lower quality of his teammates at Sandringham.
It can take some time.
In the meantime judge him on his effort, not on his possession count.

[Moods]

I went also.

No changes unless Gram is back, the magoos are all fairly useless.

Peake was shyte, really poor effort for someone who has played 50 odd games of AFL footy, don't lower yourself!

McEvoy was useless until the last term - looks well off the pace of AFL footy.

The intensity and hardness only occured in the last term - up until then they played as if they were dunces, not interested in the real stuff (as in the those who are contention!).

It's a shame only a tight finish seemed to lift the urgency of the Zebra's to try and put on a decent show.

Was perfect weather for footy - hardly any wind, and the ground surface was magnificent - far better than most AFL surfaces, especially the Dodgy Dome, plus the kids loved it, even if they didn't watch any of the game!

Thanks for the really positive match report. Sounds like you had a great day out watching the footy....

[Solar]

I went also.

No changes unless Gram is back, the magoos are all fairly useless.

Peake was shyte, really poor effort for someone who has played 50 odd games of AFL footy, don't lower yourself!

McEvoy was useless until the last term - looks well off the pace of AFL footy.

The intensity and hardness only occured in the last term - up until then they played as if they were dunces, not interested in the real stuff (as in the those who are contention!).

It's a shame only a tight finish seemed to lift the urgency of the Zebra's to try and put on a decent show.

Was perfect weather for footy - hardly any wind, and the ground surface was magnificent - far better than most AFL surfaces, especially the Dodgy Dome, plus the kids loved it, even if they didn't watch any of the game!

Thanks for the really positive match report. Sounds like you had a great day out watching the footy....

must have watched a different game,

[saintbrat]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... -u1h0.html

Polak, who has struggled with form since a tram accident threatened his life in 2008, kicked three of Coburg's 10 goals for the match. He was named best for the Tigers after missing the past fortnight for family reasons.

"He's [Polak]) just got to keep going the way he has been and keep pushing for selection," Tigers football manager Craig Cameron said.

Nick Sautner, on return from a one-week ban, booted four goals, while Shane Tregear and Robert Eddy blossomed in the midfield to lead top-of-the-table Sandy to victory after withstanding a courageous Tigers' comeback from a 21-point deficit at the last change, winning 10.18 (78) to 10.10 (70)

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[maverick]

I went also.

No changes unless Gram is back, the magoos are all fairly useless.

Peake was shyte, really poor effort for someone who has played 50 odd games of AFL footy, don't lower yourself!

It is hard to sour like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys.
I remember watching one saints player in the Casey team on TV a number of times.
This player had played some AFL games but for some reason had to suffer in the VFL.
He had all the right moves, he put his head over the ball, he had great disposal and he ran and ran.

He was surrounded by teammates who could not hit a target by foot or hand.
He would run to the perfect posiiton to receive but his team mate would handpass straight to his opponent.
He was then forced to lay a tackle but for no possession.

I almost cried for this guys suffering with the turkeys.
He looked so much more skilled and out of place.
He finally got his break in the saints team, and has not been dropped since.

Now Joey is a superstar of the AFL.

The standard of most VFL players is so below the standard of AFL.
You need to look at how they play, not what they achieve in the lower quality competition.
Remember Gwilt got promoted to the Saints while playing for Casey reserves.

Peake has to adjust to the lower quality of his teammates at Sandringham.
It can take some time.
In the meantime judge him on his effort, not on his possession count.

Good post, especially true for forwards.

[saintsRrising]

I went also.

No changes unless Gram is back, the magoos are all fairly useless.

Peake was shyte, really poor effort for someone who has played 50 odd games of AFL footy, don't lower yourself!

It is hard to sour like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys.
I remember watching one saints player in the Casey team on TV a number of times.
This player had played some AFL games but for some reason had to suffer in the VFL.
He had all the right moves, he put his head over the ball, he had great disposal and he ran and ran.

He was surrounded by teammates who could not hit a target by foot or hand.
He would run to the perfect posiiton to receive but his team mate would handpass straight to his opponent.
He was then forced to lay a tackle but for no possession.

I almost cried for this guys suffering with the turkeys.
He looked so much more skilled and out of place.
He finally got his break in the saints team, and has not been dropped since.

Now Joey is a superstar of the AFL.

The standard of most VFL players is so below the standard of AFL.
You need to look at how they play, not what they achieve in the lower quality competition.
Remember Gwilt got promoted to the Saints while playing for Casey reserves.

Peake has to adjust to the lower quality of his teammates at Sandringham.
It can take some time.
In the meantime judge him on his effort, not on his possession count.

Can only agree.

One of my brother-in-laws played a lot of AFL Reserves and he has made this point often.

Of course his added take is that if only he had been given a chance in the seniors that he would have made it, as he believed that his "game' was a lot more suited to Senior level footy than reserves level footy

[mordi]

Interesting listening to Gary Ayres talk, how the VFL struggles to attract quality players due to limited dollars. He said he is amazed at the money offered to blokes to play country and suburban footy.

He has to offer the bonus of playing with AFL players!

So it means the depth of quality can be limited and patchy across the league.

I had just assumed it would be the second best competition in the State, but apparently not so.

[saintsRrising]

I had just assumed it would be the second best competition in the State, but apparently not so.

It is the second best.

However as you noted the gap is greater than it should be as many quality players are syphoned off by the lure of greater cah and kind by playing in other leagues.

Apart form direct $$$ to the player it can also include jobs for the player and the wife/gf etc.

[SinCitySaint]

I also went and I thought the following:

Heyne : Looks lively, good hands and pretty good reader of the play. Not quite ready for the step up yet but promising.

Lynch: Very underdone which is not surprising. However, he got into it a bit in the second half and looked a class above some of the others running around.

Stanley: Unfortunately I saw nothing that made me think this guy is footballer. He looks more like the classic athlete without the footballing ability. Did not really try to impose himself on the game and did not read the game well at all. Remember I am only calling this on this one game.

Walsh: Pleasantly surprised. Is a much better kick than I expected didn’t really see him handball. Still struggling to read the game but that is to be expected.

Eddy: Knows how to win the ball his disposal wasn’t always the best but then again there did not seem to be many targets presenting for him.

Archer: Liked what I saw, he is carrying a bit of weight, which is OK if you are in your forties sitting on an internet forum like myself not so great if you are a young bloke looking for a football career. He reads the game very well and is quite strong.

McEvoy: Good in the ruck and round the ground but offered nothing when moved forward.

Patterson: Presented well and at least was a target even though he did not dominate.

Can’t really comment on anyone else as these are the only players who stood out to me. Primarily because I stayed down the one end so saw mainly the forward and defence battles not so much in the middle.

[thequarry]

We've put up a whole lot of photos of yesterday's Sandringham match on the Red, White and Black Flickr feed.
The set is at:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47511005@N ... 856460041/

[saintbrat]

thanks The quarry.

great work

this one shows the other guys there supporting

[saintbrat]

video will be up sometime from Sandringham site
http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info. ... onID=56266

match report
http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info. ... onID=56266
[quote]Speaking with Coach Andy Lovell he was happy with the effort which he described as “excellentâ€

[starsign]

Thanks heaps to all you Sandyscribes !!

For those of us that live more than a few K away it's really appreciated !!
And don't worry about the Big Mac he's gunna be a beauty

We breed 'em well up here in the North-East

and I'm dwelling on every word on Tom Terrific ...'cos he's gunna be a goodie too, I can feel it even without seeing it yet!!
just hope the boys are nurturing him along well , on and off field , which I would recon is a given!! Cos we are all on that mission!!

[Quixote]

I wonder... Is Tommy Walsh really that far from senior footy?

Seems to be coming along in leaps and bounds. His progress is interesting to say the least.



On the other side of the coin - if Jesse Smith gets back, you'd think Brett Peake's career is in grave danger.

[Solar]

I wonder... Is Tommy Walsh really that far from senior footy?

Seems to be coming along in leaps and bounds. His progress is interesting to say the least.



On the other side of the coin - if Jesse Smith gets back, you'd think Brett Peake's career is in grave danger.

the problem with the thought of walsh being close to AFL seniors is that he is currently being taught the game via the backline. Thus 2010 is backline teaching and I would guess 2011 is forwardline teaching. We don't need another backman currently.

peake would be a perfect small defender if he had the desire to work hard and gut run. Currently he is not doing enough work out on the ground. Smith would put pressure on clarke and jimmy

[zebraman]

I went also.

No changes unless Gram is back, the magoos are all fairly useless.

Peake was shyte, really poor effort for someone who has played 50 odd games of AFL footy, don't lower yourself!

It is hard to sour like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys.
I remember watching one saints player in the Casey team on TV a number of times.
This player had played some AFL games but for some reason had to suffer in the VFL.
He had all the right moves, he put his head over the ball, he had great disposal and he ran and ran.

He was surrounded by teammates who could not hit a target by foot or hand.
He would run to the perfect posiiton to receive but his team mate would handpass straight to his opponent.
He was then forced to lay a tackle but for no possession.

I almost cried for this guys suffering with the turkeys.
He looked so much more skilled and out of place.
He finally got his break in the saints team, and has not been dropped since.

Now Joey is a superstar of the AFL.

The standard of most VFL players is so below the standard of AFL.
You need to look at how they play, not what they achieve in the lower quality competition.
Remember Gwilt got promoted to the Saints while playing for Casey reserves.

Peake has to adjust to the lower quality of his teammates at Sandringham.
It can take some time.
In the meantime judge him on his effort, not on his possession count.

What do you expect them to do??

Players get dropped for a reason...it's then up to them to prove themselves in the VFL that they're ready for selection in the AFL...not drop their head and get pissed off cos they're playing VFL...

Nathan Buckley played a couple of games in the VFL coming back from injury...he found it quite easy to soar with eagles...(actually it was Seagulls, but that's a moot point)

I think it says something about a players character to fight his way back to AFL senior selection via the VFL...so far I've seen no evidence of any St Kilda cracking it because he has to play at Sandy...the professionalism showed by the likes of King,Gardiner, McEvoy and Eddy is to be applauded. Their vocal input pre game and during the breaks is great to see...

I've seen too many AFL players in the VFL who reckon they are just too good to be there...that it's a place to get an easy kick....

Yesterday I saw another one of those...Jordan McMahon...it's a reality jolt for some players

And for what it's worth I thought Peake's effort was pretty darn good...

I just find it amusing that some people think that the VFL is some sort of low level suburban comp...

This current structure is of a higher standard than the VFA and former AFL reserves comp...this year has seen 3 ex VFL players more than hold their own in AFL...Barlow and Sivagni at Freo...Podsiadly at Geelong...

Not bad for a bunch of "turkeys"

[Bernard Shakey]

I wonder... Is Tommy Walsh really that far from senior footy?

Seems to be coming along in leaps and bounds. His progress is interesting to say the least.



On the other side of the coin - if Jesse Smith gets back, you'd think Brett Peake's career is in grave danger.

Yes he is that far away. At least 12 months, maybe two years if he stays.

[Bernard Shakey]

A few things.

Walsh can kick a footy. His skills are exceptional. Struggles reading the game though, especially in the air - which is expected. But he can KICK!


Stanley was quiet lik another poster stated - But gee can he run!

As I dont see Sandy plway, can you tell me if you think any of the fowards are likely to get a run anytime soon.

Lynch started to have an impact later in the game.

Heyne did well.

Paterson played forward most of the game - But I can see him getting a game.

From what I saw Lynch is a long way off. I realise he's coming back from injury.

Heyne looks promising.

Surely you mean you can't see Pattison getting a game?

Lynch was never injured, I checked, he was never on the St Kilda injury list. :?

He didn't have a footy injury, but has had a health problem that is now fixed.

[bigcarl]

Solar, what about Tommy Walsh?

as I have said, was down the end with the forwards (as I wanted to watch stanley, macca, lynch and heyne). But he did some good things during periods of play. Basically a stronger jason blake at present. Still learning to read the play but times his spoils so well

blake is a gun imo.

we have something to look forward to in regards to big tommy and it would be a real shame if he packed it in and went home.

they ought to give him a run in the ruck and see how he goes. fast track his development a bit. he looks like a natural to me.

[Bernard Shakey]

Solar, what about Tommy Walsh?

as I have said, was down the end with the forwards (as I wanted to watch stanley, macca, lynch and heyne). But he did some good things during periods of play. Basically a stronger jason blake at present. Still learning to read the play but times his spoils so well

blake is a gun imo.

we have something to look forward to in regards to big tommy and it would be a real shame if he packed it in and went home.

they ought to give him a run in the ruck and see how he goes. fast track his development a bit. he looks like a natural to me.

You must be kidding. As a ruckman Tommy would make Kosi look like Polly Farmer.

[bigcarl]

Solar, what about Tommy Walsh?

as I have said, was down the end with the forwards (as I wanted to watch stanley, macca, lynch and heyne). But he did some good things during periods of play. Basically a stronger jason blake at present. Still learning to read the play but times his spoils so well

blake is a gun imo.

we have something to look forward to in regards to big tommy and it would be a real shame if he packed it in and went home.

they ought to give him a run in the ruck and see how he goes. fast track his development a bit. he looks like a natural to me.

You must be kidding. As a ruckman Tommy would make Kosi look like Polly Farmer.

not kidding at all. he's a big strong unit with good ball skills and athleticism. not suggesting first ruck or anything. just a run to get him into the play a bit more and fast track his development.

[Solar]

Solar, what about Tommy Walsh?

as I have said, was down the end with the forwards (as I wanted to watch stanley, macca, lynch and heyne). But he did some good things during periods of play. Basically a stronger jason blake at present. Still learning to read the play but times his spoils so well

blake is a gun imo.

we have something to look forward to in regards to big tommy and it would be a real shame if he packed it in and went home.

they ought to give him a run in the ruck and see how he goes. fast track his development a bit. he looks like a natural to me.

You must be kidding. As a ruckman Tommy would make Kosi look like Polly Farmer.

not kidding at all. he's a big strong unit with good ball skills and athleticism. not suggesting first ruck or anything. just a run to get him into the play a bit more and fast track his development.

My first guess is that he would be too short for the ruck but would like to see him get used down forward for periods later in the year for sandy. But loved the ability he has to time his spoil, bloody hard skill to teach players

[bergholt]

On the other side of the coin - if Jesse Smith gets back, you'd think Brett Peake's career is in grave danger.

seems unlikely that jesse smith will play senior footy this year. he definitely hasn't had any match practice this year and played just a couple in the reserves last year. hasn't played senior afl since round 5 2008, and wasn't that good in either of the two games he played that year.

the kid's still got potential, but he's a long, long way from being fit, in form and match-hardened enough for the big time.

[bigcarl]

Solar, what about Tommy Walsh?

as I have said, was down the end with the forwards (as I wanted to watch stanley, macca, lynch and heyne). But he did some good things during periods of play. Basically a stronger jason blake at present. Still learning to read the play but times his spoils so well

blake is a gun imo.

we have something to look forward to in regards to big tommy and it would be a real shame if he packed it in and went home.

they ought to give him a run in the ruck and see how he goes. fast track his development a bit. he looks like a natural to me.

You must be kidding. As a ruckman Tommy would make Kosi look like Polly Farmer.

not kidding at all. he's a big strong unit with good ball skills and athleticism. not suggesting first ruck or anything. just a run to get him into the play a bit more and fast track his development.

My first guess is that he would be too short for the ruck but would like to see him get used down forward for periods later in the year for sandy. But loved the ability he has to time his spoil, bloody hard skill to teach players

at 195 cm he's 4cm taller than blake, 2cm taller than riewoldt and just shorter than kosi.

i just hope we are doing everything possible to develop this kid.

actually "kid" is probably the wrong word because his body is ready for senior football now and he seems to have a very mature head on his shoulders.

i'll spew if he packs it in and goes home to ireland.

but yes solar, he was a star forward in ireland and that's where i see him ultimately playing.

fast track him