Raph Clarke...and others

[westy]

Why do we turn on ourselves when we loose. Its only one loss, not like we lost 10 in a row.

I hate to think what this site would have been like if it had been around in the 80's.

Geeze remboy. That thought flashed through mind last night as well.

[saint vince]

Someone please try and defend that game.....

He made as many errors as possesions....he missed a target 9 meters away which was not marking distance anyway....he fumbled more than I have seen an AFL player before....worse game of his career...and thats saying something...

Milne not far behind....the heriocs of last week, followed up with a simply woeful performance unacceptable for a 28yo....and that gap between best and worst...still as wide as Bass Strait....can he be trusted not to be a liability outside of Etihad and against a reasonable opponent.

Gardiner.....Not an A-Grade Ruckman....he is a C-Grade ruckman who has occasional good games..a lumberer most of the time

Mini....just not good enough....effort OK...polish and penetration not

Hayes and Sam Fisher Butchered the ball

Zac Dawson.....which fwd in the AFL is not looking forward to playing on Zac atm.....Ebert had 4 shots at goal in 5 minutes on him..

Koschitzke

Armo/Geary - excused due to inexperience, but they need to improve a fair bit..

Positives
Gwilt
Schnieder
Gilbert (star)
Dal/Joey OK
Goddard OK ish
Blake/Baker solid
Eddy
Peak - not poor

We must have watched different games.


I saw Gwilt fall to ground more often then he touched the ball....He actually managed to do both at the same time in one instance. Dont get me started about his contested marking efforts. Pathetic.

Peake did nothing.

And Dawson was on Tredrea for quite some time.....Players were rotated on Ebert.

And Clarke wasnt that bad.


And how the hell are Goddard and Dal in the positives column? And then contradicted with the word 'OK"?

They were below par - Whats worse is that the post doesnt even make sense.

Agree. I thought our worst players were our elite players. Gilbert was great but how many times did he turn it over. Zac played on Tredrea and he hardly touched it. He got cught ot on Ebert for about 5 minutes because of rotations and he was too fast for him (does this surprise anyone it would be like Presti playing on Milne or schneids). Hayes, Dal, Goddard, Milne, Kosi were all ordinary. Stop bashing the same blokes always.

I cannot believe that Blake is still underatted by just about everyone. To mark his game as Solid and BJ and Dal as ok we must be watching different games. He never, ever gets beaten. He does make a few mistakes but you an bet you bottom dollar he will do everything in his power to win the next contest so his mistake doesn't cost us in the end.
(ps to the two girls who sit behind me and do nothing but bag Blakey I am sick of it and if you watched the game instead of talked crap for two and a half hours you would realise he is one of our best players)


End rant.

[Beej]

Not only did you fail to respond to the whole point of my previous post, but you also conveniently failed to respond to my question about how old you are.

By the silence I'm guessing you must be older than my thirty years.

A great big, overweight middle aged man who acts all brutish on an internet forum.

Would be even more hilarious if you were actually middle-aged.

from my reading of it, it's only you playing the man....

I put up those stats to show that a lot of players had a bad night. The way some go on about raph clarke makes it sound like he was the only one and was the reason we lost (some still blame him for the grand final loss).

Just thought I would post two players I was ALSO disapointed in on the night. Both would me man enough to admit that they had shockers. All three will play this week. Lyon is big on form over a period so one shocker will not see these three dropped.

Just so sick of hearing the same s*** over and over aimed at certain players. At least marto puts some facts and analysis behind most of his writing (but sometimes he needs to take a deep breath and see the big picture).

BTW milne is my girlfriends fav player and I have been a fan of lenny since archer nearly killed him in sydney so don't you dare accuse me of hating either....

Slow down, mate.

You being a Milne and Hayes hater because you thought they were poor on the night is just as ridiculous as BigMart being a "scape-goating Raph hater" because he thought Raph was poor on the night.

It is possible for a supporter to feel Raph had a poor game/is a poor footballer without being a "scape-goating Raph hater".

[Solar]

Not only did you fail to respond to the whole point of my previous post, but you also conveniently failed to respond to my question about how old you are.

By the silence I'm guessing you must be older than my thirty years.

A great big, overweight middle aged man who acts all brutish on an internet forum.

Would be even more hilarious if you were actually middle-aged.

from my reading of it, it's only you playing the man....

I put up those stats to show that a lot of players had a bad night. The way some go on about raph clarke makes it sound like he was the only one and was the reason we lost (some still blame him for the grand final loss).

Just thought I would post two players I was ALSO disapointed in on the night. Both would me man enough to admit that they had shockers. All three will play this week. Lyon is big on form over a period so one shocker will not see these three dropped.

Just so sick of hearing the same s*** over and over aimed at certain players. At least marto puts some facts and analysis behind most of his writing (but sometimes he needs to take a deep breath and see the big picture).

BTW milne is my girlfriends fav player and I have been a fan of lenny since archer nearly killed him in sydney so don't you dare accuse me of hating either....

Slow down, mate.

You being a Milne and Hayes hater because you thought they were poor on the night is just as ridiculous as BigMart being a "scape-goating Raph hater" because he thought Raph was poor on the night.

It is possible for a supporter to feel Raph had a poor game/is a poor footballer without being a "scape-goating Raph hater".

well to be honest it was a little more then thinking that raph was poor on the night but fair play. I totally believe he had a poor game but was not alone, lets be honest if our bottom 6 are bad it might cost us some goals but if our top 6 are poor it costs us lots of games. Guess that was my point. If raph plays like he did on saturday night he will be out of the side, but the same can be said of many others. Just find it over the top with what he cops.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

It is possible for a supporter to feel Raph had a poor game/is a poor footballer without being a "scape-goating Raph hater".

Exactly.

[Saintsfan]

It is possible for a supporter to feel Raph had a poor game/is a poor footballer without being a "scape-goating Raph hater".

Exactly.

Impossible. He is an average to below average footballer.

[maverick]

Someone please try and defend that game.....

He made as many errors as possesions....he missed a target 9 meters away which was not marking distance anyway....he fumbled more than I have seen an AFL player before....worse game of his career...and thats saying something...

Milne not far behind....the heriocs of last week, followed up with a simply woeful performance unacceptable for a 28yo....and that gap between best and worst...still as wide as Bass Strait....can he be trusted not to be a liability outside of Etihad and against a reasonable opponent.

Gardiner.....Not an A-Grade Ruckman....he is a C-Grade ruckman who has occasional good games..a lumberer most of the time

Mini....just not good enough....effort OK...polish and penetration not

Hayes and Sam Fisher Butchered the ball

Zac Dawson.....which fwd in the AFL is not looking forward to playing on Zac atm.....Ebert had 4 shots at goal in 5 minutes on him..

Koschitzke

Armo/Geary - excused due to inexperience, but they need to improve a fair bit..

Positives
Gwilt
Schnieder
Gilbert (star)
Dal/Joey OK
Goddard OK ish
Blake/Baker solid
Eddy
Peak - not poor

We must have watched different games.


I saw Gwilt fall to ground more often then he touched the ball....He actually managed to do both at the same time in one instance. Dont get me started about his contested marking efforts. Pathetic.

Peake did nothing.

And Dawson was on Tredrea for quite some time.....Players were rotated on Ebert.

And Clarke wasnt that bad.


And how the hell are Goddard and Dal in the positives column? And then contradicted with the word 'OK"?

They were below par - Whats worse is that the post doesnt even make sense.

Agree. I thought our worst players were our elite players. Gilbert was great but how many times did he turn it over. Zac played on Tredrea and he hardly touched it. He got cught ot on Ebert for about 5 minutes because of rotations and he was too fast for him (does this surprise anyone it would be like Presti playing on Milne or schneids). Hayes, Dal, Goddard, Milne, Kosi were all ordinary. Stop bashing the same blokes always.

I cannot believe that Blake is still underatted by just about everyone. To mark his game as Solid and BJ and Dal as ok we must be watching different games. He never, ever gets beaten. He does make a few mistakes but you an bet you bottom dollar he will do everything in his power to win the next contest so his mistake doesn't cost us in the end.
(ps to the two girls who sit behind me and do nothing but bag Blakey I am sick of it and if you watched the game instead of talked crap for two and a half hours you would realise he is one of our best players)


End rant.

+1
Thought Dal did work hard against his tag though.....

[loris]

You know, the other week I sat around a St Kilda person who seemed to love the odd sly dig at Stephen Milne whenever he coughed it up. He was a soap-shy, chubby, ginger bloke, about 37 - that had to be you, no?

OMG if that is a true description of 'Big Red' he must have let himself go to seed in the off season.....well I'm devestated

I have been lucky enough to meet Big Red a few times that I have been to MW over the years.....and as we women say..... Big Red is a nice bit of 'eye candy'. And is one of those males that luckily is like a good bottle of red wine, matures nicely with age.

Of all the Saintsational posters I have met he has been the tallest, with the best physique. I'd have put him around mid-thirties and looked in supreme condition. I've seen plenty of 30 year old chubby bubbies...do you fit that category Beej???

Gee it's sad that Big Red has become soap-shy

All I can glean that your are correct with Beej .......... he does have ginger hair............. at least he has a good crop of hair & doesn't need to resort to grecian colouring

[The Craw]

I have been lucky enough to meet Big Red a few times that I have been to MW over the years.....and as we women say..... Big Red is a nice bit of 'eye candy'. And is one of those males that luckily is like a good bottle of red wine, matures nicely with age.

Of all the Saintsational posters I have met he has been the tallest, with the best physique. I'd have put him around mid-thirties and looked in supreme condition.