Gram

[saint vince]

What would you prefer. Ball to get it in the centre handball to BJ 30m kick to Dal. Dal 30m kick to Roo/Kosi 30 out directly in front or Gam to get it run 30m kick it 50m to the wrong side of the contest for it to be rebounded out of 50 and then kicked to his man runnig forward.

He needs to improve his kicking. Run and carry is great but I think he runs to far sometimes and then uns the forwards out of position making his kicking to them even harder.

I agree getting it in there quick even to a contest is a great advantage to the team. But there are ways to kick to acontest which are advatageous to your team. Eg kick to the side you player is on. He does not do that often enough.

I also think hetuns it over to often when he is kicking it 30m with no pressure.

I would much pefer the bal in CJ's hands anywhere on the ground than Grams atm. Having said that I rekon he is very important and I hope he turns it around because he wold be in our tp few players if he starts to use it better.


TO THE TOP: I can't believe you thnk that Gram is more dangerous than Mcleod. Have you see the 97 or 98 Grand finals.

GHOST LIKE: I don't think opposition teams woul mind Gram getting it near the 50 because despite what people think e doesn't kick goals. His best goal kicking yarwas last year when he kicked 20 from 25 games. He has 44 from 86 games. That is about .5 goals a game. Luke Ball who no newould consider a goal kicker at all and is often critisced for his lack of goals ave .4 goals a game.


Because Gram does not place as much defensive pressure as some others his offensive side has to be impeccable. It is not at the moment and he needs to improve.

Lets hopehe does

[Winmar7Fan]

What would you prefer. Ball to get it in the centre handball to BJ 30m kick to Dal. Dal 30m kick to Roo/Kosi 30 out directly in front or Gam to get it run 30m kick it 50m to the wrong side of the contest for it to be rebounded out of 50 and then kicked to his man runnig forward.
He needs to improve his kicking. Run and carry is great but I think he runs to far sometimes and then uns the forwards out of position making his kicking to them even harder.

I agree getting it in there quick even to a contest is a great advantage to the team. But there are ways to kick to acontest which are advatageous to your team. Eg kick to the side you player is on. He does not do that often enough.

I also think hetuns it over to often when he is kicking it 30m with no pressure.

I would much pefer the bal in CJ's hands anywhere on the ground than Grams atm. Having said that I rekon he is very important and I hope he turns it around because he wold be in our tp few players if he starts to use it better.


TO THE TOP: I can't believe you thnk that Gram is more dangerous than Mcleod. Have you see the 97 or 98 Grand finals.

GHOST LIKE: I don't think opposition teams woul mind Gram getting it near the 50 because despite what people think e doesn't kick goals. His best goal kicking yarwas last year when he kicked 20 from 25 games. He has 44 from 86 games. That is about .5 goals a game. Luke Ball who no newould consider a goal kicker at all and is often critisced for his lack of goals ave .4 goals a game.


Because Gram does not place as much defensive pressure as some others his offensive side has to be impeccable. It is not at the moment and he needs to improve.

Lets hopehe does

That all sounds good in theory but how often does that happen?

It could also be said that 6 kicks and 8 handballs to work it up forward from half back is 14 chances for a turn over which often results. Then when they all do come off everyone's worked back and a forced kick to a contest with a turn over happens anyway.

Too many times fearing a turn over, players hold on refusing nothing less than a forward to lead to space to hit them on the chest. But with all the p##s f$$ting around everyone's flooded back, play on is called leaving no alternative but to thump long to a pack.

It might be old fashion but I'd rather 1 player keep possession and take it all the way up and bang it long to a contest if necessary with Milne scouting around before 30 players have time to drop back.

He just needs to think and settle down and sharpen up his kicking like a lot of you are saying.

Is he really making so many more mistakes on average than most or does a big build up passage of play covering 80 meters with a disappointing end stand out more than constant mistakes from short chips and hand balls by the others?

Gram's averaging 21 disposals a game how can anyone want to drop him? It's not like he's in poor form his kicking is just off.

I also don't think he has an attitude problem to me he is genuinely frustrated with himself at the moment.

[Iceman234]

Bigger bump than the Kosi thread...

[Legendary]

31 disposals, 5 marks and 1 goal.

His best game for the year.

Needed the kick up the arse.

[Milton66]

Stick THAT up ya clacker all u Gram knockers.

[mick13]

That tackle which lead to his goal was exactly the reason he was dropped. He wouldn't have done that in previous seasons.

Well done Jase, will be in the team for the rest of the year.

[fonz_#15]

i love grammy, and will never hide that fact yet i can see his flaws. his kicking is atrocious, and it makes me laugh when the media or commentators say he is a good kick of the ball as i heard today.

had a cracker today and fair play to him.

[sunsaint]

Stick THAT up ya clacker all u Gram knockers.

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It wasnt SS posters that got him dropped, the playing group and coaching panel had a say in it.

[Thinline]

Stick THAT up ya clacker all u Gram knockers.

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It wasnt SS posters that got him dropped, the playing group and coaching panel had a say in it.

Here here.

Had a blinder tho

[Iceman234]

Stick THAT up ya clacker all u Gram knockers.

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It wasnt SS posters that got him dropped, the playing group and coaching panel had a say in it.

May have been aimed at the people on here who knock him constantly...

He is an absolutely integral part of our best 22, well within our top ten, and had a big say in our 75 point turnaround today.

[VietNam_Saint]

Dunno if he needed the kick in the bum ,, didn't do any harm though ,,

Gram is back !!!

Great to see.

[The_Dud]

I'm astounded at how well people have rated Grams game yesterday

I thought he butched 90% of his kicks (either mungrel punts or missed targets) and also, as GT would put it, he dogged a contest at the start of the last term. Luckily for him it ended up working out ok

Still needs a fair kick up the bum if u ask me

[St Fidelius]

I'm astounded at how well people have rated Grams game yesterday

I thought he butched 90% of his kicks (either mungrel punts or missed targets) and also, as GT would put it, he dogged a contest at the start of the last term. Luckily for him it ended up working out ok

Still needs a fair kick up the bum if u ask me

Yep...

I am surprised he has been mentioned by a few on here as BOG...

Surely with the errors he had he can't be the best player for the saints??

Played okay, but no way near the best for the Saints

[saintsRrising]

Gram got heaps of the ball.. so that part was great.

Had a great run down tackle..

But his disposal efficiency was none too flash.

[Winmar7Fan]

I'm astounded at how well people have rated Grams game yesterday

I thought he butched 90% of his kicks (either mungrel punts or missed targets) and also, as GT would put it, he dogged a contest at the start of the last term. Luckily for him it ended up working out ok

Still needs a fair kick up the bum if u ask me

Watch the game again if you are able to. Did those butchered kicks you are talking about hurt us or resulted in goals against us?

You can butcher a kick and it still be affective. I took notice every time he was involved in the Roos game because of this thread and virtually none of his poor disposals really hurt us.

Most of them still ended up being mopped up to our advantage deep in attack with some of them resulting in goals for us. How many times did his kicks land on the chest of a Roos player for an easy clearance?

I don't know about the rest of you but I class a 60 metre poor kick that rolls out of bounds for a throw in 20 metres out from our goal, or landing nowhere 30 metres out resulting in a ball up from a wrap up tackle as a being in a good position.

[Iceman234]

Some posters just have their pet hates I feel - no matter how well that player may go there is just no positive.

[St Fidelius]

I'm astounded at how well people have rated Grams game yesterday

I thought he butched 90% of his kicks (either mungrel punts or missed targets) and also, as GT would put it, he dogged a contest at the start of the last term. Luckily for him it ended up working out ok

Still needs a fair kick up the bum if u ask me

Watch the game again if you are able to. Did those butchered kicks you are talking about hurt us or resulted in goals against us?

You can butcher a kick and it still be affective. I took notice every time he was involved in the Roos game because of this thread and virtually none of his poor disposals really hurt us.

Most of them still ended up being mopped up to our advantage deep in attack with some of them resulting in goals for us. How many times did his kicks land on the chest of a Roos player for an easy clearance?

I don't know about the rest of you but I class a 60 metre poor kick that rolls out of bounds for a throw in 20 metres out from our goal, or landing nowhere 30 metres out resulting in a ball up from a wrap up tackle as a being in a good position.

What ever He was no way BOG., as some posters have suggested...

His disposal has improved in recent games but a disposal rate of 68% does not cut it as BOG ...

Far too many in front of him as the the best on ground, his disposals are a shockers..

he needs to lift, the turn overs will cost us in the end

[The_Dud]

I don't know about the rest of you but I class a 60 metre poor kick that rolls out of bounds for a throw in 20 metres out from our goal, or landing nowhere 30 metres out resulting in a ball up from a wrap up tackle as a being in a good position.

Well i rate a 60 meter drop punt that hits a target even better

but each to their own...

[ThomasR]

Not BOG but his run and carry got us back into it - his best game of the year by far

[SainterK]

I made a point of watching him, and I personally think he lifted in intensity compared to his last few weeks. Improvement is improvement, and the tackle in the last quarter highlighted to me that he is willing to work harder.

[barks4eva]

he is an out and out receiver I am getting a bit sick of the small step shuffles he does to avoid being first to the ball or to lay a tackle, it stands out like dogs bollocks when the rest of the side are having a red hot dip....that aside his pace is still something that we crave, especially on big grounds

If Gram was any more outside, he'd be running around on the concourse,

he hangs back to avoid body contact as much as possible even when he's the only St kilda player near the opposition player,

as soft as they come, an absolute show pony who wouldn't know a hard ball get even with a truckload of viagra,

his kicking is atrocious, needs to spend more time working on his foot skills as opposed to the tips in his hair,

one thing being an outside receiver, but fair dinkum sometimes, you have to have a fair dinkum go,

Gram shirks the contest, even when he's the closest St Kilda player to the ball and the opponent,

his softness stands out like a truckload of viagra, if that makes sense!

[bigcarl]

i thought he was good. gave him votes this week. noticed he gained us more ground than any other player in those stats in the herald sun.

[rexy]

he is an out and out receiver I am getting a bit sick of the small step shuffles he does to avoid being first to the ball or to lay a tackle, it stands out like dogs bollocks when the rest of the side are having a red hot dip....that aside his pace is still something that we crave, especially on big grounds

If Gram was any more outside, he'd be running around on the concourse,

he hangs back to avoid body contact as much as possible even when he's the only St kilda player near the opposition player,

as soft as they come, an absolute show pony who wouldn't know a hard ball get even with a truckload of viagra,

his kicking is atrocious, needs to spend more time working on his foot skills as opposed to the tips in his hair,

one thing being an outside receiver, but fair dinkum sometimes, you have to have a fair dinkum go,

Gram shirks the contest, even when he's the closest St Kilda player to the ball and the opponent,

his softness stands out like a truckload of viagra, if that makes sense!

Agree with all this and have been saying it for some time. He is still in our best 22 IMO and is an integral part of our team, he just needs to ensure that at the pivotal moments for him, when he is the one that needs to put his head over it, he does. For an outside mid it might only be once or twice in a game when it is up to you. Not asking to much I dont think?

[plugger66]

he is an out and out receiver I am getting a bit sick of the small step shuffles he does to avoid being first to the ball or to lay a tackle, it stands out like dogs bollocks when the rest of the side are having a red hot dip....that aside his pace is still something that we crave, especially on big grounds

If Gram was any more outside, he'd be running around on the concourse,

he hangs back to avoid body contact as much as possible even when he's the only St kilda player near the opposition player,

as soft as they come, an absolute show pony who wouldn't know a hard ball get even with a truckload of viagra,

his kicking is atrocious, needs to spend more time working on his foot skills as opposed to the tips in his hair,

one thing being an outside receiver, but fair dinkum sometimes, you have to have a fair dinkum go,

Gram shirks the contest, even when he's the closest St Kilda player to the ball and the opponent,

his softness stands out like a truckload of viagra, if that makes sense!

Not an important player. Lets drop him. As you would say fair dinkum do have any knowledge of football and how important Grammy is to our side.

[saintsRrising]

Gram is important to us as he supplies pace and run.

We lack quick players.....and CJ is now in an on-ball tagging role.

So an in-form Gram is very important for our structure.

Nothing wrong with him being an outside player either......as we have Ball, Lenny and Mini..plus a few other options.