Carlton Woeful

[Teflon]

He’s allowed to hate the coach - it’s his opinion

You openly bagged Brett Ratten

Whose he?
11 games in - hate the coach ???
This is my point exactly
Rational.

[B.M]

He’s not a first time coach

He has history at StK (and Freo)

We are not forming opinions on Lyon after 11 games

We have opinions on him based on 15 years

[Teflon]

He’s not a first time coach

He has history at StK (and Freo)

We are not forming opinions on Lyon after 11 games

We have opinions on him based on 15 years

So he has acknowledged he’s not the sane coach
But you just judge him on historical performance?
You’re a bigger muppet than even I thought possible
You STILL haven’t told us your plan to turn this into a top 4 list?????
Let’s hear football oracle

[B.M]

Calm down Teflon and take a Xanax

No need for the abuse

You sound like a petulant child

[saynta]

The ramblings of lunatics (or otherwise) on forums doesn't amount to "support" or "not support". Support is showing up at games, getting involved with the club.

True
But it’s a weird type of behaviour on a footy fan site when you can sense posters eagerly waiting for their team to fall over so they can say - I told you so
We’ve got Saynta openly hating on the coach after 11 games ??
You can’t deny that’s odd behaviour..
Surely we just want to win???

No, I have hated him a lot longer than that. He cost us two flags then waked out on us. What's not to hate.

Look, like most supporters I was willing to support him, but I now see the old failures and faults being exposed . Playing spuds rather than good footballers was only one of them.

Anyway,the more you bag me the more s*** I will put on your "master coach". Been a bit slow to work that out haven't you.

[SaintPav]

Why do posters need to make it so personal.

As for football, play with pride and play to win.

There’s a loser mentality by some on here.

[TheGreatZacsby]

Calm down Teflon and take a Xanax

No need for the abuse

You sound like a petulant child

Teflon is a typical keyboard warrior. Attacks everyone in the forum has an opinion that doesn’t align with his. So close minded that he can’t see the opinions of others and bullies everyone. Can the administrators kick him off. He’s another Curly.

[Sainternist]

Yikes! Time flies!

[Teflon]

Calm down Teflon and take a Xanax

No need for the abuse

You sound like a petulant child

Teflon is a typical keyboard warrior. Attacks everyone in the forum has an opinion that doesn’t align with his. So close minded that he can’t see the opinions of others and bullies everyone. Can the administrators kick him off. He’s another Curly.

From a poster with 31 posts …you sure you’re not someone else in disguise???? The direct attacks only at me are a bit if a giveaway…
At least Curly has been around longer and contributed more than a 1 hit fake poster such as yourself
I’d be surprised if you’re even a Saints fan ..just as likely to be another no name troll
Anyway, troll stop talking about posters and put forth a footy opinion…if you can muster an original thought that is..

[Teflon]

The ramblings of lunatics (or otherwise) on forums doesn't amount to "support" or "not support". Support is showing up at games, getting involved with the club.

True
But it’s a weird type of behaviour on a footy fan site when you can sense posters eagerly waiting for their team to fall over so they can say - I told you so
We’ve got Saynta openly hating on the coach after 11 games ??
You can’t deny that’s odd behaviour..
Surely we just want to win???

No, I have hated him a lot longer than that. He cost us two flags then waked out on us. What's not to hate.

Look, like most supporters I was willing to support him, but I now see the old failures and faults being exposed . Playing spuds rather than good footballers was only one of them.

Anyway,the more you bag me the more s*** I will put on your "master coach". Been a bit slow to work that out haven't you.

Case in point
11 games - I hate Ross Lyon cause he cost us 2 flags?? WTF kinda childish, imbecilic dross is that ?
I mean this is my whole point
It’s not about Ross Lyon - it’s about a loser mentality attacking someone the club appointed whose 11 games in????
Just bizarre.
Then suggests he’s doing it to get back at me ? Even weirder
Carry on..strange times
I just want to win but wow

[Teflon]

Calm down Teflon and take a Xanax

No need for the abuse

You sound like a petulant child

STILL no plan on how this list evolves to top 4
Lots of questions
Zero answer a = Marty
A tad harder when you can’t just trot out footy platitudes and cliches like “pick the best player”
No shyte Sherlock

[B.M]

You must have missed my numerous posts on what I would do

And it’ll be exactly what Lyon and SOS will do

You think rebuild via draft - won’t happen

He will cull a bit, anyone who doesn’t want to be on the ride… but it won’t just be the draft

As I’ve stated numerously

SOS will use every mechanism available to him to add to the list

Expect - over the next two drafts
Us to take 6 draft picks - all inside pick 40
Expect us to go hard for a FA over the next 2 years
Expect us to have a crack at at least 4 uncontracted players in the trade period
Expect us to turn over 2 rookies
Expect us to use the mid season draft if we have a spot

There we go

In 2 years that’s more than 25% of the list turned over

A core group will be kept - Wilkie, Sinclair, Steele, King, Howard, Hill etc

Young players like Nas, Camaniti and Phillipou will be fast tracked
Other young players like Heath, Keeler, Hotton etc will continue to develop in the twos ready to take over from the Membreys, Crouches, Websters etc

Anyway
That’s what I would do… and What I reckon StK will do

[Otiman]

Who do we trade out to get two 2nd round picks?

[B.M]

Clark
Compo for Gresham

[TheGreatZacsby]

Calm down Teflon and take a Xanax

No need for the abuse

You sound like a petulant child

Teflon is a typical keyboard warrior. Attacks everyone in the forum has an opinion that doesn’t align with his. So close minded that he can’t see the opinions of others and bullies everyone. Can the administrators kick him off. He’s another Curly.

From a poster with 31 posts …you sure you’re not someone else in disguise???? The direct attacks only at me are a bit if a giveaway…
At least Curly has been around longer and contributed more than a 1 hit fake poster such as yourself
I’d be surprised if you’re even a Saints fan ..just as likely to be another no name troll
Anyway, troll stop talking about posters and put forth a footy opinion…if you can muster an original thought that is..

31 posts because I’m new on the board. Been a long time lurker and decided to sign up because I like talking football and listening to everyone’s opinions on this board. Learnt pretty quickly there’s crusty bullies like yourselves that linger on here. Just be kinder mate. We all barrack for the one team and want to taste the glory.

[Teflon]

Calm down Teflon and take a Xanax

No need for the abuse

You sound like a petulant child

Teflon is a typical keyboard warrior. Attacks everyone in the forum has an opinion that doesn’t align with his. So close minded that he can’t see the opinions of others and bullies everyone. Can the administrators kick him off. He’s another Curly.

From a poster with 31 posts …you sure you’re not someone else in disguise???? The direct attacks only at me are a bit if a giveaway…
At least Curly has been around longer and contributed more than a 1 hit fake poster such as yourself
I’d be surprised if you’re even a Saints fan ..just as likely to be another no name troll
Anyway, troll stop talking about posters and put forth a footy opinion…if you can muster an original thought that is..

31 posts because I’m new on the board. Been a long time lurker and decided to sign up because I like talking football and listening to everyone’s opinions on this board. Learnt pretty quickly there’s crusty bullies like yourselves that linger on here. Just be kinder mate. We all barrack for the one team and want to taste the glory.

You’re a lurker whose come on the board and singled out me cause you think it might win you a few internet mates
Pretty shallow
If you’re genuinely concerned about “all these crusty old bullies” I suggest you start naming them????
But that won’t win you friends
Oh and you like talking footy ??? Still yet to read a post where you offer a view ….how about start with that before saving the forum ?

[Teflon]

Clark
Compo for Gresham

Wow you’re gonna trade out Clark ? One of our few better ball users ???
At least you had a go
Is Seb staying ??
That’s 2 players above ….that’s not gonna get you there…
Who’s the rest of the 25% list you see going??
You’re doing well

[B.M]

Clark wants to leave

[TheGreatZacsby]

Calm down Teflon and take a Xanax

No need for the abuse

You sound like a petulant child

Teflon is a typical keyboard warrior. Attacks everyone in the forum has an opinion that doesn’t align with his. So close minded that he can’t see the opinions of others and bullies everyone. Can the administrators kick him off. He’s another Curly.

From a poster with 31 posts …you sure you’re not someone else in disguise???? The direct attacks only at me are a bit if a giveaway…
At least Curly has been around longer and contributed more than a 1 hit fake poster such as yourself
I’d be surprised if you’re even a Saints fan ..just as likely to be another no name troll
Anyway, troll stop talking about posters and put forth a footy opinion…if you can muster an original thought that is..

31 posts because I’m new on the board. Been a long time lurker and decided to sign up because I like talking football and listening to everyone’s opinions on this board. Learnt pretty quickly there’s crusty bullies like yourselves that linger on here. Just be kinder mate. We all barrack for the one team and want to taste the glory.

You’re a lurker whose come on the board and singled out me cause you think it might win you a few internet mates
Pretty shallow
If you’re genuinely concerned about “all these crusty old bullies” I suggest you start naming them????
But that won’t win you friends
Oh and you like talking footy ??? Still yet to read a post where you offer a view ….how about start with that before saving the forum ?

I’m naming you?

I’ve started several threads… each one you highjack and abuse the people who offer opinions.

[Mr Magic]

Clark wanted to leave last year.

Does anybody know if that's still the case?

[saynta]

The ramblings of lunatics (or otherwise) on forums doesn't amount to "support" or "not support". Support is showing up at games, getting involved with the club.

True
But it’s a weird type of behaviour on a footy fan site when you can sense posters eagerly waiting for their team to fall over so they can say - I told you so
We’ve got Saynta openly hating on the coach after 11 games ??
You can’t deny that’s odd behaviour..
Surely we just want to win???

No, I have hated him a lot longer than that. He cost us two flags then waked out on us. What's not to hate.

Look, like most supporters I was willing to support him, but I now see the old failures and faults being exposed . Playing spuds rather than good footballers was only one of them.

Anyway,the more you bag me the more s*** I will put on your "master coach". Been a bit slow to work that out haven't you.

Case in point
11 games - I hate Ross Lyon cause he cost us 2 flags?? WTF kinda childish, imbecilic dross is that ?
I mean this is my whole point
It’s not about Ross Lyon - it’s about a loser mentality attacking someone the club appointed whose 11 games in????
Just bizarre.
Then suggests he’s doing it to get back at me ? Even weirder
Carry on..strange times
I just want to win but wow

[Devilhead]

Clark wants to leave?

Thought he came out and crushed that rumor

[B.M]

He was held to his contract last season - he’s OOC at the end of this season

He hasn’t resigned yet

If he hasn’t in four weeks, he’s gone - perhaps Lyon is going to Luke Ball him?

His best mate is LDU

[skeptic]

He was held to his contract last season - he’s OOC at the end of this season

He hasn’t resigned yet

If he hasn’t in four weeks, he’s gone - perhaps Lyon is going to Luke Ball him?

His best mate is LDU

Maybe we’re looking at this wrong…
Let’s go get LDU and bring him here.

[skeptic]

The ramblings of lunatics (or otherwise) on forums doesn't amount to "support" or "not support". Support is showing up at games, getting involved with the club.

True
But it’s a weird type of behaviour on a footy fan site when you can sense posters eagerly waiting for their team to fall over so they can say - I told you so
We’ve got Saynta openly hating on the coach after 11 games ??
You can’t deny that’s odd behaviour..
Surely we just want to win???

No, I have hated him a lot longer than that. He cost us two flags then waked out on us. What's not to hate.

Look, like most supporters I was willing to support him, but I now see the old failures and faults being exposed . Playing spuds rather than good footballers was only one of them.

Anyway,the more you bag me the more s*** I will put on your "master coach". Been a bit slow to work that out haven't you.

Case in point
11 games - I hate Ross Lyon cause he cost us 2 flags?? WTF kinda childish, imbecilic dross is that ?
I mean this is my whole point
It’s not about Ross Lyon - it’s about a loser mentality attacking someone the club appointed whose 11 games in????
Just bizarre.
Then suggests he’s doing it to get back at me ? Even weirder
Carry on..strange times
I just want to win but wow

Stuff like this tends to show a degree of lack of faith in one’s convictions.

If you don’t rate Lyon due to past performance and are prepared to write him off… I could understand that

But you decide to give him a go and base on performance… seems reasonable

6 rounds on he’s master coach

5 rounds later he’s the dud he’s always been

I’m getting a little motion sickness here.

As you well know Tef, I’m wasn’t RL’s biggest fan. In fact, I reckon I hold the distinction of being the first major critic and certainly one of the harsher ones.

As you’ve repeatedly pointed out though… it doesn’t make a lot of sense criticising RTB in 2023 for his approach up to 2011.
And on a personal level… I’ve always been very much of the opinion that rapid fluctuations in assessments of plan is usually the result of heightened emotion (barring a major event).
IMO it’s completely illogical to suggest that he was great a month ago and is a liability now. Reality is that he’s pbly doing exactly the same thing and has to work through some slumps.

So here are the facts as I see them…

RTB came in and had little opportunity to do anything to mould/change the list

There has an absolute plethora of injuries

Few people if any expected us to win many games early on and even fewer expected finals

In the first 6 weeks, expectations were smashed

In the 5 weeks that followed, we dropped back to the pack badly

There has been a lot to like in terms of structures, trialling new players, focusing on some youth

There is some concerns with playing injured players and sticking with older players out of form whilst some seem deprived of opportunity.

Overall… at this point we’ve done better than could be expected. We’re pbly not in a position to challenge… but at the same time, it looks like an overall weak season and our absolute best seems as good as anyone else’s.

It will be a big off-season and we’ll have a greater understanding of where things are going but in the meantime, RTB would pbly win some friends if we can get Bytel and Windy into the team ahead of Ross and Paton at least whilst they’re horribly out of form… and assign a tagger across half forward.

An analysis more detailed than that is pretty pointless as we simply don’t have enough data.

Everything else just seems hysterical to me one way or another,