Who the HELL????

[SaintPav]

And therein lies the rub.

What does that mean? Is it even proper English?

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/The ... es+the+rub

thanks. I've heard it used before but it's more of an Americanism.

[avid]

And therein lies the rub.

What does that mean? Is it even proper English?

thanks. I've heard it used before but it's more of an Americanism.

More likely Shakespeare.

[saintbrat]

Finey on SEN is going to Unleash on ACA ...

[satchmo]

If they set Molly on fire would it be a hat crime?

[Dr Spaceman]

If they set Molly on fire would it be a hat crime?

Well he was a big fan of Smokey and Earth Wind & Fire

[whiskers3614]

Kickit,

Regarding the rate of violence against disabled people - there is a litany of evidence. It is such a big problem that Women With Disabilities Australia has been calling for a Royal Commission or Official Public Inquiry into Violence Against People with Disabilities in Australia for over a year now.
http://www.wwda.org.au/Summary_and_Recommendations.pdf

It depends on the type of disability. e.g. "People with an intellectual disability are almost three times more likely than those without a disability to be victims of physical assault, sexual assault and robbery" http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/F/6/A/% ... 7Dti60.pdf

The numbers are remarkably consistent cross-nationally.
An American study found "Depending on the type of violent crime (rape/sexual assault, robbery, assault, and their subcategories), prevalence was 6 to 23 times greater among persons with SMI than among the general population. "http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1389236/

It is an international problem. In 2007, the European Parliament commissioned research taht found that almost 80 per cent of women with disabilities are victims of violence. It's cited in this resolution
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 60:EN:HTML

aNY CHANCE OF TELLING US ABOUT THE STATS OF PERPETRATORS WITH A MENTAL DISABILITY?aLSO IN HOW MANY OF THE ABOVE INCIDENTS BOTH VICTIM AND PERPETRATOR HAD HAD MENTAL DISABILITIES? (Sorry about the caps lock error)

[markinUSA]

The key issue here is that a St Kilda player, Clint Jones, set fire to a little person. That was a criminal act, even if he isn't charged... and the whole objectification of little people, and the demeaning attitude of so many of you towards little people in general, is part of the culture of hate, disrespect, and devaluation which underlies such attacks.

[whiskers3614]

The key issue here is that a St Kilda player, Clint Jones, set fire to a little person. That was a criminal act, even if he isn't charged... and the whole objectification of little people, and the demeaning attitude of so many of you towards little people in general, is part of the culture of hate, disrespect, and devaluation which underlies such attacks.

Thank you, that makes things so much clearer!
Kevin Rudd could not have avoided the question I asked you any better!

[saint6]

The key issue here is that a St Kilda player, Clint Jones, set fire to a little person. That was a criminal act, even if he isn't charged... and the whole objectification of little people, and the demeaning attitude of so many of you towards little people in general, is part of the culture of hate, disrespect, and devaluation which underlies such attacks.

No the key issue here is that saints players were being stupid with fire and alcohol and one decided to include the entertainer. Nobody in their right mind could think that this was a "hate crime".

[Devilhead]

The key issue here is that a St Kilda player, Clint Jones, set fire to a little person. That was a criminal act, even if he isn't charged... and the whole objectification of little people, and the demeaning attitude of so many of you towards little people in general, is part of the culture of hate, disrespect, and devaluation which underlies such attacks.

The way I see it Clint Jones set fire to a person (well the clothes of a person)

[Dis Believer]

The key issue here is that a St Kilda player, Clint Jones, set fire to a little person. That was a criminal act, even if he isn't charged... and the whole objectification of little people, and the demeaning attitude of so many of you towards little people in general, is part of the culture of hate, disrespect, and devaluation which underlies such attacks.

See, your basic problem here is that you are talking about the MOTIVATION for the act. And unless you are a certified mind reader, I don't think you can argue with people and dictate to them what someone else's motivation was to carry out an act when you were not present and have not spoken to the person involved......

[Wayne42]

The key issue here is that a St Kilda player, Clint Jones, set fire to a little person. That was a criminal act, even if he isn't charged... and the whole objectification of little people, and the demeaning attitude of so many of you towards little people in general, is part of the culture of hate, disrespect, and devaluation which underlies such attacks.

Do you know anything about football, you seem to know a lot about molehills

[BigMart]

I'm not sure why we just can't say it was pathetic, a ridiculous decision to hire Dwarfes and even more stupid by Jones!

How that cannot be agreed upon, I'm staggered ...... Only conclusion IMO

They would have been rightly reemed by the bosses

[dragit]

I'm not sure why we just can't say it was pathetic, a ridiculous decision to hire Dwarfes and even more stupid by Jones!

I'm not sure why you think that most of us are disagreeing… pretty universally condemned as a ridiculous & childish thing to do.

Why do you transform the opinion of a few posters into an imaginary majority? BigMartyr complex…

[Dr Spaceman]

I'm not sure why we just can't say it was pathetic, a ridiculous decision to hire Dwarfes and even more stupid by Jones!

How that cannot be agreed upon, I'm staggered ...... Only conclusion IMO

There is abolutely no need for you to be staggered BM.

Having followed this thread through its 27 pages I think it's pretty clear that 99.9% of us, if not 100% of us, are of the opinion that it was pathetic, a ridiculous decision to hire Dwarfes and even more stupid by Jones!

That is not in dispute.

What remains open to discussion is one poster's strong opinion that Jones committed a Hate Crime against the Dwarf and ACA's coverage of the incident and its aftermath.

[whiskers3614]

I'm not sure why we just can't say it was pathetic, a ridiculous decision to hire Dwarfes and even more stupid by Jones!

How that cannot be agreed upon, I'm staggered ...... Only conclusion IMO

There is abolutely no need for you to be staggered BM.

Having followed this thread through its 27 pages I think it's pretty clear that 99.9% of us, if not 100% of us, are of the opinion that it was pathetic, a ridiculous decision to hire Dwarfes and even more stupid by Jones!

That is not in dispute.

What remains open to discussion is one poster's strong opinion that Jones committed a Hate Crime against the Dwarf and ACA's coverage of the incident and its aftermath.

Furthermore I believe that solitary poster's views are pure BAITING and should be moved to the animal enclosure!

[satchmo]

I'm not sure why we just can't say it was pathetic, a ridiculous decision to hire Dwarfes and even more stupid by Jones!

How that cannot be agreed upon, I'm staggered ...... Only conclusion IMO

They would have been rightly reemed by the bosses

Oh yeah, we actually agree on that. Not sure of the use of the word "pathetic". Stupid seems far more appropriate.

[Devilhead]

I'm not sure why we just can't say it was pathetic, a ridiculous decision to hire Dwarfes and even more stupid by Jones!

How that cannot be agreed upon, I'm staggered ...... Only conclusion IMO

They would have been rightly reemed by the bosses

Saying that it was a ridiculous decision to hire dwarfs is quite discriminatory

What's the problem with hiring little people if they are offering a bonafide legitimate service?

[asiu]

why
... who else do u hire as door bitches

young ladies dressed in school uniforms i can figure out
young blokes in togas ... not cool either
animals in any sort of dress ... public relations nightmare
two real dolls ... 'see above'
short adult women .... bit risky
short adult blokes ..... seems like a fair option ... professional party people even

why no tick of approval for the little clowns ?

[Dr Spaceman]

"Then the dwarfs light up, light up, light up..."

[BigMart]

Very similar to my initial post... Which created a furore....

How dare thee.... Blah, blah

Now the back peddle, retreating... And redirecting into somantics about discrimination?!

Good idea to hire dwarfes with the the only real intent to have a bit of fun at their expense... No, that was never going to end up a bad news story .... FFS.

Just have a few quiet beers, discuss the season and go on a holiday.... There's an idea?!?!

[Con Gorozidis]

This kid does look a like Clint Jones.
Maybe hes a pyro and needs counselling?

[Devilhead]

Very similar to my initial post... Which created a furore....

How dare thee.... Blah, blah

Now the back peddle, retreating... And redirecting into somantics about discrimination?!

Good idea to hire dwarfes with the the only real intent to have a bit of fun at their expense... No, that was never going to end up a bad news story .... FFS.

Just have a few quiet beers, discuss the season and go on a holiday.... There's an idea?!?!

The backpeddle?? Blah Blah Blah indeed!!!

Apart from CJ's brain explosion what other fun did the players have at the hired entertainers expense??

I mean surely you were you present at the hotel for you seem to know quite a bit about what happened

[dragit]

I'm not one to tell people what they can or cannot laugh at but…

I reckon the dwarf jokes and threads have done their dash?

[satchmo]

Very similar to my initial post... Which created a furore....

How dare thee.... Blah, blah

Now the back peddle, retreating... And redirecting into somantics about discrimination?!

Good idea to hire dwarfes with the the only real intent to have a bit of fun at their expense... No, that was never going to end up a bad news story .... FFS.

Just have a few quiet beers, discuss the season and go on a holiday.... There's an idea?!?!

Well, to use you parlance...
many said 'wait til we know the facts' ..."Which created a furore...."

How dare they ....blah, blah

"Now the back peddle, retreating... And redirecting into somantics about discrimination?! "
Well, no. One person has done something pretty stupid, and it seems most agree. The second bit is gobbledegook.

"Just have a few quiet beers, discuss the season and go on a holiday.... There's an idea?!?!"
Yes, I'm sure for most there, that's what happened.