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It is an 8 pointer...plugger66 wrote:Who wants to lose this week? I certainly don't.
Lol Gold!WindSister wrote:lol
... i gotta post another of those pithy quotes for Teffers
He/She / It will smile , i'm sure.
Politics makes strange bed fellows.
Barks would be proud of us.
****
Pluggs ,
... re your bit
If we lose to farken Melbourne
... i'll be right royally pissed off.
I've pencilled that in as Ours.
... 'n we need to Win it.
imo , ooc , fwtfw.
Teflon wrote:It is an 8 pointer...plugger66 wrote:Who wants to lose this week? I certainly don't.
Look non plussed here really, truly
TBH more interested in seeing a young Goddard debut and play a blinder so I can put another tick next to a future name that will be part of our next flag side and keep the hunt going to build the talent pool...
The win??....in the overall scheme of what Im after.......meh.
WindSister wrote:lol
... i gotta post another of those pithy quotes for Teffers
He/She / It will smile , i'm sure.
Politics makes strange bed fellows.
Barks would be proud of us.
****
Pluggs ,
... re your bit
If we lose to farken Melbourne
... i'll be right royally pissed off.
I've pencilled that in as Ours.
... 'n we need to Win it.
imo , ooc , fwtfw.
Im watching Sliding Doors this week...plugger66 wrote:Teflon wrote:It is an 8 pointer...plugger66 wrote:Who wants to lose this week? I certainly don't.
Look non plussed here really, truly
TBH more interested in seeing a young Goddard debut and play a blinder so I can put another tick next to a future name that will be part of our next flag side and keep the hunt going to build the talent pool...
The win??....in the overall scheme of what Im after.......meh.
Do have the remote control from the movie Click? I suggest you use it.
Teflon wrote:Im watching Sliding Doors this week...plugger66 wrote:Teflon wrote:It is an 8 pointer...plugger66 wrote:Who wants to lose this week? I certainly don't.
Look non plussed here really, truly
TBH more interested in seeing a young Goddard debut and play a blinder so I can put another tick next to a future name that will be part of our next flag side and keep the hunt going to build the talent pool...
The win??....in the overall scheme of what Im after.......meh.
Do have the remote control from the movie Click? I suggest you use it.
Its about 2 football sides.....Saints and Tigers...
One gets on the 9th train and no matter what they do to build they stagnate, year after year, over inflating their list with wins against Dees/Lions only to be found wanting against quality....
The other (this is us), takes the immediate hard choice/hit, bottoms out with clear purpose, builds a talent pool with real firepower/elite ability and rises steadily to become a side thats feared and genuinely able to take it up to the big boys on the BIG day...
Margaret/David gave it 5 stars.
Im giving it 7..
Oddly it means the same thingplugger66 wrote:Teflon wrote:Im watching Sliding Doors this week...plugger66 wrote:Teflon wrote:It is an 8 pointer...plugger66 wrote:Who wants to lose this week? I certainly don't.
Look non plussed here really, truly
TBH more interested in seeing a young Goddard debut and play a blinder so I can put another tick next to a future name that will be part of our next flag side and keep the hunt going to build the talent pool...
The win??....in the overall scheme of what Im after.......meh.
Do have the remote control from the movie Click? I suggest you use it.
Its about 2 football sides.....Saints and Tigers...
One gets on the 9th train and no matter what they do to build they stagnate, year after year, over inflating their list with wins against Dees/Lions only to be found wanting against quality....
The other (this is us), takes the immediate hard choice/hit, bottoms out with clear purpose, builds a talent pool with real firepower/elite ability and rises steadily to become a side thats feared and genuinely able to take it up to the big boys on the BIG day...
Margaret/David gave it 5 stars.
Im giving it 7..
Teffers the thing is that will happen without hoping we will lose. We are a bottom 5 side. I had us bottom. Doesn't that mean I ever want us to lose a game. Never. Does that mean I think we will win all games. Never. Ive picked us twice this year. I wanted us to win 10 times.
Had Boyd been available this year at 1 .....my strategy would be far more aggressive....downward I mean...
I have a different view to you yet you dont make my stomach turnevo wrote:Who is the biggest troll on here? not citywest. In my opinion Teflon and WindSister would have to be close with their loser mentality. These two posters make my stomach turn - sorry. Both seem to think that the draft is the panacea to all our problems. Yeah thats worked well for Carlton and Melbourne. Looking at Freo, Sydney,Hawthorn, I don't see their sides littered with top 3 draft picks -strange!
Whenever you have lost the arguement, you try and distract by taking the piss. Teflon101. You know what I wrote, but instead you post made up crap.Teflon wrote:Are you saying the main part for the rise was GT belief clouds and these draft picks were mere bit players??saintsRrising wrote:You do realise that the GT Mantra back then was 100% effort 100% of the time?Teflon wrote:.
Having picks like Riewoldt (1), Kosi (2), Ball (2?), X Clarke (5), Goddard (1 ...thanks Blues) certainly didn't hurt our last decade that's what I'm after .... We haven't got anywhere near that talent yet and I think we are going to need to if we are to challenge GWS and co in future
Draft hard time folks
ie a culture of winning.
Those draft picks were but part of the reason for the rise up the ladder. The final nudge came under Lyon with better coaching and a cast of role players and rejects from other clubs.
The Blues by contrast had more No1 picks, and brought in a superstar in Judd, but were a lot less successful. They tanked, everyone new they tanked and a culture of half hearted players was endorsed.
Umm... Ok.... I love re writing history too
They're trolls and make your stomach turn because they have a different opinion to you? Seriously?evo wrote:Who is the biggest troll on here? not citywest. In my opinion Teflon and WindSister would have to be close with their loser mentality. These two posters make my stomach turn - sorry.
Could you provide a list of Premiership teams and when they last finished ninth. No doubt it will be damning evidence against those who would prefer ninth to last.Teflon wrote:Hands Up Who Wants Us to Finish 9thTeflon wrote:Let's Make this thread easy
Hands up all those posters who want Saints to finish 9th this year: please put your names below...
Names below please
1. Pluggs
2. Bunk
I've said pick 5 or below all thread - from whatIve read Parish will do mesaintsRrising wrote:Just thought I would have a peek at the various Phantom Drafts at present.
Despite where the Tankers want to finish, where we are likely to finish looks likely to gain us a good mid, which seems to be the type of player that most on the forum would like to see added to our list.
Also from what I have read, there does not seem to be statements that the No1 in 2015 is streets ahead of the next bracket of picks. Perhaps the Tankers can explain why Weitering is that awesome a player that he will take us to a GF over picking up a player like Parish????
ie 2015 Kinightmare Phantom Draft:
1. Gold Coast – Jacob Weitering (VIC – KPD)
Height: 195cm, Weight: 90kg, DOB: 23/11/1997
Recruited from: Dandenong Stingrays
Range: 1-3
Profile: Rapidly improving rebounding key defender.
2. Carlton – Aaron Francis (SA – DEF/FWD)
Height: 190cm, Weight: 86kg, DOB: 10/08/1997
Recruited from: West Adelaide
Range: 1-3
Profile: Dominant rebounding defender who also does damage forward of centre.
3. Brisbane – Joshua Schache (VIC – KPF)
Height: 199cm, Weight: 96kg, DOB: 21/08/1997
Recruited from: Murray Bushrangers
Range: 1-5
Profile: Dominant key forward.
4. St Kilda – Darcy Parish (VIC – MID)
Height: 181cm, Weight: 73kg, DOB: 25/07/1997
Recruited from: Geelong Falcons
Range: 1-10
Profile: High production, skilful midfielder.
5. Melbourne – Luke Partington (SA – MID/FWD)
Height: 182cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 05/03/1997
Recruited from: Port Adelaide
Range: 3-20
Profile: High production, damaging midfielder.
Agree with much of that and totally agree about timing and being lucky with the draft pool available at the timegringo wrote:There isn't a formula. The Tigers are still building and could still have a moment of challenging in the next few years. Their years of ninth were on the back of poor recruiting when they were down. The Bulldogs have recruited exceptionally well in the last few years and look on the up with out tanking. Collingwood too. Carlton have been on the bottom of the ladder, recruited badly went up a bit and have fallen again. North went down have gone up but seem to have been unlucky in recruiting solid players rather than stars. Melbourne have had access to so many high picks they should be playing in the next 4 premierships on the logic that you take your place at the bottom for a few years and all comes good. Geelong has not bottomed out yet continues to pull out quality draft picks. Sydney rebuilt there list with hardly a blip. If there was a perfect formula for success everyone would follow it. For our time at the bottom we ended up with a few years getting guys like Daniel Wolfe etc then all of a sudden hit a couple of great recruiting years and we were able to build a list around guys like Dal, Riewoldt, Joey etc.We are not going to finish above ninth even if everything goes right we will get a quality player and if its a Bontempelli type pick we will possibly be better off. Sometimes there is less pressure from pick 4+ that allows you to get a Troy menzel, Stringer or Bontempelli who has talent but question marks.
Not sure but it wouldn't surprise me...WindSister wrote:Collingwood were also 'graced' an undeserved Priority pick as well weren't they ?
... level playing field it is and all that tosh.
I feel the whole landscape has changed though with FA. You now want to be ready to pounce and as such need to be as desirable as possible. Being where we are now with some on field success with out being top 8 is perfect. If we finish around where we are now I will be happy as we will get a high pick but still be on the rise in peoples minds. Managers are going to feel comfortable sending players to us knowing what we are working towards is working. It gives the place a winner vibe. Anyway I really can't see us making even 9th to 12th spot this year so I think you are probably going to get your wish. Im not emotionally mature enough to deal with losing unless we go down fighting and just get pipped. It ruins my week being watching us look pathetic.Teflon wrote:Agree with much of that and totally agree about timing and being lucky with the draft pool available at the timegringo wrote:There isn't a formula. The Tigers are still building and could still have a moment of challenging in the next few years. Their years of ninth were on the back of poor recruiting when they were down. The Bulldogs have recruited exceptionally well in the last few years and look on the up with out tanking. Collingwood too. Carlton have been on the bottom of the ladder, recruited badly went up a bit and have fallen again. North went down have gone up but seem to have been unlucky in recruiting solid players rather than stars. Melbourne have had access to so many high picks they should be playing in the next 4 premierships on the logic that you take your place at the bottom for a few years and all comes good. Geelong has not bottomed out yet continues to pull out quality draft picks. Sydney rebuilt there list with hardly a blip. If there was a perfect formula for success everyone would follow it. For our time at the bottom we ended up with a few years getting guys like Daniel Wolfe etc then all of a sudden hit a couple of great recruiting years and we were able to build a list around guys like Dal, Riewoldt, Joey etc.We are not going to finish above ninth even if everything goes right we will get a quality player and if its a Bontempelli type pick we will possibly be better off. Sometimes there is less pressure from pick 4+ that allows you to get a Troy menzel, Stringer or Bontempelli who has talent but question marks.
These drafts now, unlike those of recent years for both GC/GWS picks, are at least less compromised.
Regardless, you still have to pick welll I back our recruiting team - it doesn't matter what draft you get
Point here though is what choice/pick you actually end up with and that can be useful in drafting OR in trades so it has some value
I think Geelong/Sydney are poor examples for not bottoming outand most know why
Collingwood bottomed for a short period few years back and did well with Pendlebury, Thomas etc and won a flag
IMO in our current cycle we need greater options that give us the best chance to snare elite talent (midfield too!) if that's Parish this year then yes please - not interested in finishing 9th and hoping we get lucky after then with another Dal Santo at 13....
There's a reason the top handful kids in the country are ranked accordingly - we want at least one of these over the next 2 years IMHO, start the process of getting games into them and manage retirement of ageing champs which is undoubtedly coming...
me too - parish has the potential to be an absolute gun.Teflon wrote: I've said pick 5 or below all thread - from whatIve read Parish will do me
A top ten pick would be fine, there has been many a top ten that has gone well.Teflon wrote:I do want to make sure of it though if there is any doubt
You want us to finish 9th though right???
I mean you're allanout maximising all remaining games as wins right?
So you don't want a top 5 pick at all and that to me would do us a long term disservice
As for your culture of success - starts with talent cause u so t getting much success without it
