So the truth comes out why we didn't accept picks 4 and 7.

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Re: So the truth comes out why we didn't accept picks 4 and

Post: # 1511932Post 70s sainter »

At least midfielders esp pretrecca are ready to play straight away so would be a lot less risky than a big forward.
Would have preferred 4 and 7 if Mc cartin was avail at 4 but the saints must have got info that melb was taking him.


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A bird in the hand..........


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Under absolutely no situation should a coach influence a decision like that!


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Re: So the truth comes out why we didn't accept picks 4 and

Post: # 1511936Post Spinner »

the 4 and 7 for 1 is a s*** trade...

If 1 is no sure thing, surely the risk gets higher and higher with 4 and 7.

We can select who we want with 1. No hoping, no guessing who will fall. Not many chances to do that each year. Will probably get one next year too but might not...


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Re: So the truth comes out why we didn't accept picks 4 and

Post: # 1511938Post SuperDuper »

Con Gorozidis wrote:
3. Does Richo have any power at all over Pelchen when it comes to trading/drafting?

this is the crucial point.
So far as I know, Richo is not the top dog during recruiting...

He would be consulted, and if he gave his opinion, the Pelican and trout would know that he also knows Petracca. They made the call with this knowledge.... it is not Richo's call.

They must rate Petracca very highly... 4+7 for 1+21 is a decent offer... (I still believe we had to give back 21... right?? That is what Jaxons indicated)

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Re: So the truth comes out why we didn't accept picks 4 and

Post: # 1511939Post skeptic »

Con Gorozidis wrote:
skeptic wrote:I would prefer pick 1 to 4 & 7 by a long way
Who would you prefer

Tom Boyd or both Bontempelli & Aish?

I am satisfied we made a good decision but I dont think its absolutely utterly clear cut. There is a fair bit of uncertainty in this years draft meaning taking pick 1 seemed prudent. Time will tell.
I get what you're saying but that works both ways...

there are plenty of misses in the top 7 over the years and most pick 1s whilst not necessarily being the best player are usually at least AFL caliber picks

there is a clear stand out this year

personally, I feel like people are so fixated on the number of picks to build the list vthat the overall point is being missed which is to get the best players

in this case I don't think the gain of that trade outweighs the loss

the best pick for 2 not as good propositions

if it was three picks sure but at 2 I just don't think it's worth it


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Post: # 1511940Post gringo »

I will absolutely piss myself when we pick Mc Cartin at pick one after this thread.


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Post: # 1511944Post jaxons »

You all keep forgetting they offered us picks 4 & 7 but wanted pick 21 back.
They never offered 4 & 7 only.
Alan knows the Petracca family, not well, I assure you it has nothing to do with him getting selected, if anything it has Petracca having to impress more to get it over the line.
It is not Alan Richardson's decision either who gets picked.
He coaches the team that the recruiting department put together.
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cough cough.. troll


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Re: So the truth comes out why we didn't accept picks 4 and

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jaxons wrote:You all keep forgetting they offered us picks 4 & 7 but wanted pick 21 back.
They never offered 4 & 7 only.
Alan knows the Petracca family, not well, I assure you it has nothing to do with him getting selected, if anything it has Petracca having to impress more to get it over the line.
It is not Alan Richardson's decision either who gets picked.
He coaches the team that the recruiting department put together.
Some of the garbage on this site is insane.


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Re: So the truth comes out why we didn't accept picks 4 and

Post: # 1511947Post gringo »

jaxons wrote:You all keep forgetting they offered us picks 4 & 7 but wanted pick 21 back.
They never offered 4 & 7 only.
Alan knows the Petracca family, not well, I assure you it has nothing to do with him getting selected, if anything it has Petracca having to impress more to get it over the line.
It is not Alan Richardson's decision either who gets picked.
He coaches the team that the recruiting department put together.
Some of the garbage on this site is insane.

I think even if they had traded 1 for 4 and 7 some fans would have cracked it anyway. To exchange pick one the offer would have to be unmissable just to sell back to the members.


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Re: So the truth comes out why we didn't accept picks 4 and

Post: # 1511948Post samuraisaint »

if Wright plays like Tippett I don't want him. Goes missing against good sides, does Kurt. I want Petracca anyway.


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gringo wrote:I will absolutely piss myself when we pick Mc Cartin at pick one after this thread.
This board would go into meltdown..


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Re: So the truth comes out why we didn't accept picks 4 and

Post: # 1511956Post Dave McNamara »

citywest wrote:My rumour would have been right if it wasn't for Richo. You can take that to the bank.
Hi CW, if it's true that your current speculation successfully shirt-fronted your previous rumour, then Richo has just gone up a couple more notches in my estimation...

citywest wrote:Paige Cardona's Phantom Draft.... This is what we could have had but obviously Petracca is better than both of them combined.

Pick 4: Greater Western Sydney – Peter Wright - Plays like: Kurt Tippett

Pick 7: Greater Western Sydney – Paul Ahern - Plays like: Dale Thomas
And if Paige's 'plays like' assessments are correct, then Richo goes up yet a few more notches again.


Despite off-loading Rhys, we don't need another player like Wright. Also, word has it that he already has back issues. If true, and given his height, that would be bad news for both Peter and his longevity in the game. (Hopefully Ahern's ankles are better than Daisy's.)

CW. I reckon that you'll end up very happy with our having kept the number one pick. I'm very confident that our Christian will be comfortably better than both those two... combined.

Also, don't forget that the Wogans were only offering 4&7, not 4,6&7, and that those clowns also wanted our Pick 21 as well... so your rumour would have been off the money by a small (but significant) bit anyway.

CW, I reckon you'll see a flag (at least one) before you chalk-up your 50 year anniversary. Keep the faith.


Edit: I've just noticed that whilst I was tapping-out this post, jaxons has posted mentioning that actual offer from the Wogans.


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Re: So the truth comes out why we didn't accept picks 4 and

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I am happy we didn't do the deal but….

Wasn't Jaxons saying 4,6 & 7 for 1 & 21 the eve of the final day of trading and that we were trying to keep 21? Or was that more how the deal would have to be?


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falka wrote:I am happy we didn't do the deal but….

Wasn't Jaxons saying 4,6 & 7 for 1 & 21 the eve of the final day of trading and that we were trying to keep 21? Or was that more how the deal would have to be?
I reckon if that deal got offered it would have got done


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Post: # 1511964Post Jacks Back »

And in the future no one can say we made a mistake if draft picks 4 & 7 end up being the best players in the comp simply because our picks MAY have been different from their picks. So no future comparisons are valid. It would just be hearsay or gossip.


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Jacks Back wrote:And in the future no one can say we made a mistake if draft picks 4 & 7 end up being the best players in the comp simply because our picks MAY have been different from their picks. So no future comparisons are valid. It would just be hearsay or gossip.

Exactly. Always laugh when people say this club got a certain player for the pick traded. The only way we will know if its a bad move is if Petracca isn't up to it or is just an average 100 game player in the Scully mould.


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jaxons wrote:You all keep forgetting they offered us picks 4 & 7 but wanted pick 21 back.
They never offered 4 & 7 only.
Alan knows the Petracca family, not well, I assure you it has nothing to do with him getting selected, if anything it has Petracca having to impress more to get it over the line.
It is not Alan Richardson's decision either who gets picked.
He coaches the team that the recruiting department put together.
Some of the garbage on this site is insane.
I read one poster who thinks that Pelican rubs down the boys. Crazy.


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Post: # 1511972Post SinCitySainter »

My brother in law knows both Richardson and the Petracca family does that mean he has been involved also.
It is just as strong an argument.

The reality is that Richardson may well know the Petracca family and that may have influence on the decision but only as far as him stating that he has a really good solid background, which is important.


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Post: # 1511974Post SaintPav »

SinCitySainter wrote:My brother in law knows both Richardson and the Petracca family does that mean he has been involved also.
It is just as strong an argument.

The reality is that Richardson may well know the Petracca family and that may have influence on the decision but only as far as him stating that he has a really good solid background, which is important.
Richardson has input and so he should!

City West is a boring idiot.


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Post: # 1511977Post CURLY »

SinCitySainter wrote:My brother in law knows both Richardson and the Petracca family does that mean he has been involved also.
It is just as strong an argument.

The reality is that Richardson may well know the Petracca family and that may have influence on the decision but only as far as him stating that he has a really good solid background, which is important.

Well then what number does your brother in law he is a certainty to be drafted apparently.


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gringo wrote:
jaxons wrote:You all keep forgetting they offered us picks 4 & 7 but wanted pick 21 back.
They never offered 4 & 7 only.
Alan knows the Petracca family, not well, I assure you it has nothing to do with him getting selected, if anything it has Petracca having to impress more to get it over the line.
It is not Alan Richardson's decision either who gets picked.
He coaches the team that the recruiting department put together.
Some of the garbage on this site is insane.

I think even if they had traded 1 for 4 and 7 some fans would have cracked it anyway. To exchange pick one the offer would have to be unmissable just to sell back to the members.
Thx Jaxons. And Gringo, I think you're spot on with the perception from those outside those of us who care enough to devote time to this board.


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kosifantutti wrote:If it was such a one sided deal, you have to wonder why GWS offered it. Maybe they didn't read any of the reviews of players after Petracca.
Light bulb.

What a ridiculous, waste of a a thread. Should just be deleted. There are more "facts" in the Chinese daily newspapers.


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