Jimmy and John and 'that' day...

[PADDLEPOP1001]

Boo!!

[BigMart]

Didn't O'Dea get 10 weeks.... Of which most (non bias supporters) think was too light... He was found guilty of striking

The clear evidence was a comatosed player laying off the footy.... O'Dea has never spoke because he knows only too well what he did.... He knows he can't 'clear his name, so what's the point' don't even think he's apologised.

Greening doesn't remember the incident, yes, but has been filled in about what happened... And he absolutely holds O'Dea responsible for wrecking his career....

I'm not even sure why it's even been debated, if it happened to Trevor Barker early in his career... We would be up in arms....

It is hilarious though as usual how comment one way can't be made.... Because we don't know... But the opposite can be argued with assurity.... But is also not known?.... I guess it's what side of the debate you sit, and not the debate itself



ill tell you what, believe what you like.... I've played enough footy to know when a player ends up unconscious no where near the footy, someone has belted them.... I also know the reputations of both players...

It's a bit like the Dwarf story though, if you don't want it to be true.... You won't believe it to be... Regardless of common sense

Ill go with Occam's Razor on this one!!

[BigMart]

P66

Did you see the incident.... How are you sure that happened?!

Besides that.... Please enlighten the forum of someone's intention when they 'king hit' someone....

Have you ever hit anyone in the head.... Have you ever been hit? The intention is usually pretty clear cut.... No one generally belts someone in the hope they get up, dust it off, shake their hand and say 'nice hit old chap'...

My guess.... O'Dea was trying to end his game (not career) to stop his influence on the game and the contest between the two.... In which Greening would run him a merry dance...

O'Dea was a thug.... It's that simple

[PADDLEPOP1001]

Don"t agree he was a thug ,maybe had a brain fade this day,after all he did play 167 games odd of good hard durable VFL football. ,I think we"ve all played and been around football to know or summise what happened,just a dad day for footy ,also a lot of the damage was done when he hit the ground !

[plugger66]

P66

Did you see the incident.... How are you sure that happened?!

Besides that.... Please enlighten the forum of someone's intention when they 'king hit' someone....

Have you ever hit anyone in the head.... Have you ever been hit? The intention is usually pretty clear cut.... No one generally belts someone in the hope they get up, dust it off, shake their hand and say 'nice hit old chap'...

My guess.... O'Dea was trying to end his game (not career) to stop his influence on the game and the contest between the two.... In which Greening would run him a merry dance...

O'Dea was a thug.... It's that simple

I have been hit in the head and have hit someone in the head. My intention wasnt to knock out the person I hit in the head. Didnt even think of that. No idea what the others persons intentions were and that is my point. You have no idea what O'dea intentions were. My intention was to hurt the guy enough to get off me. Kosi elbowed a guy, off the ball, in the head this year. Was his intention to knock the player out. I doubt it very much but to find out for sure we would need to ask him. Have you asked O'Dea? I doubt Gia wanted to knock out Kosi but we need to ask him.

And just a simple easy question for you BM. How many games did you see O'Dea play because guessing your age and where you say you lived it doubtful you hardly ever saw him play to call him a thug. He may have done a stupid thing but to class him as a thug for a stupid incident seems way over the top. Way over.

[Enrico_Misso]

He was certainly old school.

I heard him speak at a function in the late 90s.
The team then was struggling.
Someone asked him what he would do to fix things.

He said he would buy a few slabs put them in the middle after training and everything would work out fine.

[BigMart]

That's a fair brain fade

Greening was unconscious with blood coming from both ears and mouth?

A brain fade is running across the mark, or giving away a stupid 50m it generally means no thinking involved?

Causing that sort of damage isn't normall done

At what point does it go from being a brain fade to a poor act?

[stinger]

O'Dea was a thug.... It's that simple

o'dea was no more or less a thug than any one else who hits a player off the ball.....are you sure that your views aren't coloured by the fact that greening was a tassie boy.....????....he did play football again you know...never with the same skills but he did play.....


..it was a terrible incident...but one where the consequences could never have been in o'dea's contemplations.....

[satchmo]

Didn't O'Dea get 10 weeks.... Of which most (non bias supporters) think was too light...

By "most" I suspect you mean your two mates that are always picking on you because you are a Saints supporter.

Or have you really surveyed all football supporters, and determined whether or not they have unbiased and informed views?

Perhaps your "research" was conducted on Bigfooty, and if so you would also believe that the Saints B&F is named after Jim O'Dea.

If ten weeks was too light for Jim, then Lethal and Dermott would have been chemically castrated and sharing a cell with Ablett Snr.

[PADDLEPOP1001]

BM I call it a brain fade because I" m sure he did n "t mean to hurt him as much as he did,we all learn one way or another how fragile the human body can be , David Hookes is a prime example , very sad , these are examples of human stupidity as well as human fragility

[BigMart]

They got about ten also....as did Hall, Lockett, Baker, and Winmar.... But they didn't almost kill their opponent....

Of all incidents.... Only one ended a career.....

It's that simple....

And I think you're speaking as a typically biased StK supporter clutching at straws trying to convince themselves otherwise..... Situation reversed and it'd be an outcry

You've even considered those other incidents worse that putting a guy in a coma?!

[BigMart]

So you reckon the Hookes punch was a brain fade? Not sure the bouncer didn't know what he was doing? He didn't try and Kill Hookes but he did purposely belt him.... Resulting in his death...

Punch was intentional.... If it didn't happen the injury would not have.... Therefore the culprit is responsible for the injury IMO

Hit was intentional on both counts

[plugger66]

So you reckon the Hookes punch was a brain fade? Not sure the bouncer didn't know what he was doing? He didn't try and Kill Hookes but he did purposely belt him.... Resulting in his death...

Punch was intentional.... If it didn't happen the injury would not have.... Therefore the culprit is responsible for the injury IMO

Hit was intentional on both counts

It may have been intentional but you said he wanted to knock him out. That is the point. You now seem to be arguing a completely different line of thinking. Lets face it only one person knows if he wanted to knock him out and it isnt you or me.

[BigMart]

Stinger
You making out ODea was unlucky.... He was lucky in one count... Greening woke up?!

And yes it was a terrible, actually reprehensible ...... And was caused by someone's actions....

[stinger]

They got about ten also....as did Hall, Lockett, Baker, and Winmar.... But they didn't almost kill their opponent....

Of all incidents.... Only one ended a career.....

It's that simple....

And I think you're speaking as a typically biased StK supporter clutching at straws trying to convince themselves otherwise..... Situation reversed and it'd be an outcry

You've even considered those other incidents worse that putting a guy in a coma?!

hdn't ended a career at the time jimmy got 10m weeks....greeening did come back and play for the filth again you know...don't you...???


calm down mate...it was two generations ago....

[satchmo]

Situation reversed and it'd be an outcry

What, a bigger outcry?

There has never been a bigger outcry, mostly from idiots who have no idea what happened.

[PADDLEPOP1001]

By the way I din"t say the Hookes one was a brain fade,please read properly ,human body fragility etc!

[BigMart]

Yes I do know.... He missed two seasons

He played 9 more games in the three years after that after playing 98 games from 17-21yo

He went back to Tassie and played NWFU and did OK ....was NEVER the same...

Its Not that the incident isn't poor enough itselft...

It's the defending of the incident I find distasteful! We can't even accept that one.... No wonder respect eludes us, we can't take responsibility for anything, and are full of excuses...

Just say it as it was

A dog act which was regrettable.... O Dea should do the same, which is why I have NO time for him.... Weak prick IMO

[BigMart]

A bigger outcry on here...

We seem to defend the bloke .... Some even try to justify?

[plugger66]

Yes I do know.... He missed two seasons

He played 9 more games in the three years after that after playing 98 games from 17-21yo

He went back to Tassie and played NWFU and did OK ....was NEVER the same...

Its Not that the incident isn't poor enough itselft...

It's the defending of the incident I find distasteful! We can't even accept that one.... No wonder respect eludes us, we can't take responsibility for anything, and are full of excuses...

Just say it as it was

A dog act which was regrettable.... O Dea should do the same, which is why I have NO time for him.... Weak prick IMO

So out club isnt respected because a few people dont think the way you do. That is a pretty weird way of thinking. maybe most people think it a poor act as i certainly do but maybe most dont think he wanted to knock him out. Im sure that wouldnt make our club be less respected for thinking that way.

[BigMart]

Sorry, you mention Brain Fade and human fragility and in the same sentance use Hookes as a prime example.... It seemed you were linking the two to a bad luck scenario?

[satchmo]

Yes I do know.... He missed two seasons

He played 9 more games in the three years after that after playing 98 games from 17-21yo

He went back to Tassie and played NWFU and did OK ....was NEVER the same...

Its Not that the incident isn't poor enough itselft...

It's the defending of the incident I find distasteful! We can't even accept that one.... No wonder respect eludes us, we can't take responsibility for anything, and are full of excuses...

Just say it as it was

A dog act which was regrettable.... O Dea should do the same, which is why I have NO time for him.... Weak prick IMO

Take a good look in the mirror if you want to see a weak prick.
Respect eludes you, not us.

[kosifantutti]

....

Of all incidents.... Only one ended a career.....

?!

Well Greening played again so I guess your talking about Fraser Brown's hit on Darren Bourke

[BigMart]

Satchmo

I know it's a childish comment... But why am I a weak prick? How did you come to that conclusion? Did I king hit a bloke, and never even take responsibility for it and apologise?

No

Why are you so defensive about it? Strike a chord?

[BigMart]

Oh,

Kosifan...

Was Greening destined to play 9 more games after 22?.... Whilst leading the Brownlow at the time of the incident?...

C'mon man...

He may have played again... Briefly...

But so did Jason McCartney after the Bali bombings but I would suggest they ended his career