Harry O'brien decision incorrect - AFL

[Cairnsman]

I think you're on your own here knob-jacket, every commentator on the night said it was going to be a certain goal, the ten threads and 1000 replies on here would suggest that most people agree…

Keep wishing for us to fail though, maybe one day you can revel in the glory of us being a bottom 4 side again…

Well if the commentators said it was a certain goal then that settles it. "Knob-jacket" How old are you.

'princess' - which grade were you in when you were kicked out of school?

I didn't get kicked out. It sounds like you didn't make it to far though.

[dragit]

I didn't get kicked out. It sounds like you didn't make it to far though.

too far champ…

[Cairnsman]

I didn't get kicked out. It sounds like you didn't make it to far though.

too far champ…

Have you watched the replay yet? 5 players you say.

[dragit]

I didn't get kicked out. It sounds like you didn't make it to far though.

too far champ…

Have you watched the replay yet? 5 players you say.

Goddard, Milne, Armitage - obviously…
Steven is actually goal side of the whole thing…
Gram is there and Ray was streaming in too
So more like 6.
What do you get out of imagining that we could have stuffed that up?
Does it make your 85 point flogging prediction feel any better?
Or your bottom 4 prediction?
You are the most half-arsed 'supporter' I have ever come across…

You win though, you've wasted more of my time, I'm the fool.

[desertsaint]

Nothing in life is certain, but 99% is close enough for people to feel rightly aggrieved.

[Cairnsman]

Have you watched the replay yet? 5 players you say.

Goddard, Milne, Armitage - obviously…
Steven is actually goal side of the whole thing…
Gram is there and Ray was streaming in too
So more like 6.
What do you get out of imagining that we could have stuffed that up?
Does it make your 85 point flogging prediction feel any better?
Or your bottom 4 prediction?
You are the most half-arsed 'supporter' I have ever come across…

You win though, you've wasted more of my time, I'm the fool.

Ok so who does BJ handball it to though? And is that player slowing down to a canter and having to reach out very wide with the right arm to collect the ball whilst almost at a stand-still. The answers are Armo and yes.
Steven is goal side but has an oppo player hot on his heels and yes Gram is an option also but who does BJ hand ball it to. The answer is still Armo and if you look at it objectively you might see that it is possible that Armo was not a certainty for the goal. That is my argument. That is all.

[Dr Spaceman]

So who shot JFK

[dragit]

I'm just hoping the sun comes up tomorrow, we can't afford another ice age at this stage of the season.

[Cairnsman]

I'm just hoping that people who are wrong can admit it.

[tony74]

If anyone can find Wally I reckon he was a shoe-in to kick the goal.

[Fazer]

Armo slowed down and took his eyes off the ball to look across at the umpire when he heard the whistle, otherwise he would've run into an open goal.

[Cairnsman]

Armo slowed down and took his eyes off the ball to look across at the umpire when he heard the whistle, otherwise he would've run into an open goal.

It might not have been an open goal because Dale Thomas was in a position to move into his path.

[matrix]

oh ffs

anyway keep arguing with the donkey
you'll get nowhere
agree that he is right
thomas wouldve done a double back flip spun around on his pinky and smothered the footy that armo kicked with his toe
we all know it


apology
big whoops
just cost us a spot in the finals possibly
bit late now

[Harvey To Hayes]

I've watched it a hundred times over I reckon trying to work it out and one conclusion is that Thomas was in a position to pressure or even initiate contact to Armos right side but didn't because the whistle had stopped. So I'm not so sure Armo was a gimme for the goal had the whistle not been blown.

Armitage, Milne, Goddard, Gram, Ray & Steven against Thomas.

Did you hear the commentators?

"They would have kicked a goal"

"StKilda were out, no-one between them and the goal there…"

Only a trolling imbecile would argue that we might not have kicked a goal.

Go figure.

From the replay it looks like Thomas is only a step or two away from being directly in front of Armo's run into goal and had the whistle not gone then he would have certainly pressured Armo if not even made contact. Tell me I'm wrong.

Wrong.

[Harvey To Hayes]

I'm just hoping that people who are wrong can admit it.

You certainly don't seem to be able to. There was no way in the ordinary course of events that we would not have scored a goal from that play if it had been allowed to go uninterrupted. Daisy nowhere near close enough to impact Armo and even if he did cover the ground he was outnumbered and would have then been out of the contest.

Nothing in this world is absolute, so we had maybe a 99% chance of converting, but just stop crapping on with your inane drivel and hypocritical rubbish. Who do you even barrack for? Why would you hijack this thread with such ludicrous hypotheticals? We got robbed blind, why try to pretend that we didn't?

[Cairnsman]

I'm just hoping that people who are wrong can admit it.

You certainly don't seem to be able to. There was no way in the ordinary course of events that we would not have scored a goal from that play if it had been allowed to go uninterrupted. Daisy nowhere near close enough to impact Armo and even if he did cover the ground he was outnumbered and would have then been out of the contest.

Nothing in this world is absolute, so we had maybe a 99% chance of converting, but just stop crapping on with your inane drivel and hypocritical rubbish. Who do you even barrack for? Why would you hijack this thread with such ludicrous hypotheticals? We got robbed blind, why try to pretend that we didn't?

You're not making any sense at all. How many steps/meters do you think Dale Thomas was from entering the path of Armo? I make it about 1 to 2 at the most.

[Darren]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-ne ... 6444778230

FIELD umpire Dean Margetts will retain his place this week despite the AFL umpires department ruling his game-saving free kick to Collingwood defender Harry O'Brien was a mistake.


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Umpires director Jeff Gieschen said today it was an isolated mistake in an otherwise solid performance.

"He'll be umpiring again this week. In hindsight, with replays and slow-mos, we can see that the contact was so minimal that we wouldn't pay a free kick. But he has to make a call in the heat of battle,'' Gieschen said.

Margetts' whistle to pay the free kick to O'Brien for mark interference by St Kilda forward Stephen Milne stopped Saint David Armitage from kicking a goal from close range that would have tied the scores with only seconds left in Saturday night's game.

"We deemed it to be an unwarranted free kick to O'Brien. It was not a chop of the arms or interfering with the arms because there was no contact to the arms,'' Gieschen said.

"If anything, Milne did turn and run with the flight of the ball with his eyes on his opponent, but the contact he made was very minimal. There was not enough contact from the front to constitute a free kick.''

The umpires boss likened the judgment error to one by a player at a similarly crucial time of a game.

"Over the course of the game, we're talking about one 50-50 decision out of hundreds that the umpire would've made,'' Gieschen said.

"If there was a trend there or a pattern in making errors throughout the game, that would be different. But Dean umpired very well. You could liken it to a player, because he missed one set shot for goal from 15m out, are you going to drop him on that? Probably not.

"In this case we deemed it to be unwarranted, but that's not to say he didn't have his reasons for paying that free kick.''

Gieschen said the umpires' review had backed the play-on call from Hawthorn forward Cyril Rioli's tackle on Geelong's Mitch Duncan in the frantic final minute of last Friday night's game.

"By the time he (Duncan) took the ball and took one step to turn to kick and another step to balance to kick, he was tackled by Rioli,'' he said.

"In that case we've deemed that he hadn't had a prior opportunity. Had he taken three or four paces, that would've been different. So, we're comfortable with the play-on call there.''

Knew it. Absolute disgrace.

[dragit]

Was it Margettes that called the 50 for swearing?
or Milne getting hit in the head before slinging O'Brien and giving away a free?
or missed the holding Kosi's arm in the Reid clash?
or what about when Dawes took a mark on the wing, took too long, was tackled perfectly without disposing of the ball - no free?
or Simpkin's hit on Wellingham?

Just a couple of the top of my head, it was hardly a solid night for the umpires…

But I will admit that it would be a very hard gig…

[stinger]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-ne ... 6444778230

FIELD umpire Dean Margetts will retain his place this week despite the AFL umpires department ruling his game-saving free kick to Collingwood defender Harry O'Brien was a mistake.



"In this case we deemed it to be unwarranted, but that's not to say he didn't have his reasons for paying that free kick.''

yeah...it was milne....

[Fazer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE2pbD0dghY
There's no way Thomas who is flat footed is going to reach Armo who is running in and can afford to move away from Thomas anyway to kick on his preferred left foot. Check out the second replay, it gives you a better perspective.

[dragit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE2pbD0dghY
There's no way Thomas who is flat footed is going to reach Armo who is running in and can afford to move away from Thomas anyway to kick on his preferred left foot.

Yeah but I see Cairnsmans point, what if one of those sinkholes suddenly appears in the goalsquare, gobbling up Jack Steven, Armo and the ball? Maybe we wouldn't have kicked a goal… you never know.

[Cairnsman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE2pbD0dghY
There's no way Thomas who is flat footed is going to reach Armo who is running in and can afford to move away from Thomas anyway to kick on his preferred left foot. Check out the second replay, it gives you a better perspective.

Actually the second replay highlights another possible conclusion and that is that Armo actually misses the hand ball from BJ and it spills to the ground. Now in the frenetic pace of that final play what's to say after letting the ball spill to the ground he isn't able to quickly retreive the ball or worse still has to fight for it on the ground with Thomas. Way too many variables to say it was a certain goal. Would have loved it to be but it wasn't.

[dragit]

don't forget the sinkhole…

[Fazer]

Armo slowed down and took his eyes off the ball to look across at the umpire when he heard the whistle, otherwise he would've run into an open goal.

THIS

[saintbrat]

don't forget the sinkhole…

as long as they bring up the gold when they go down- so we can repay the debts and fix up moorabbin.