Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.

[CURLY]

So it looks like both our picks 7 and 8 from the 2017 draft could be busts!

Let that sink in!

Coffield coming off a knee reco.

[SaintPav]

So it looks like both our picks 7 and 8 from the 2017 draft could be busts!

Let that sink in!

Coffield coming off a knee reco.

He’s been out with soft tissue injuries, calf problems this season?

[nostalgicsaint]

Neither look to be busts. Both have shown great signs and are young.

[Scollop]

Smashed in clearances.

Ross > Clark in clearances

Clark worst performed mid in that area.





I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.

If you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppage

If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here

[Yorkeys]

Billings, Byrnes, Bytel and Clark. Their futures seem problematic.

[Scollop]

Nuff nuffs like to have a couple of scapegoats when we lose an important match like last week.

Clark struggles late in games. It wasn't a surprise that he faded out.

It's up to the match committee and selectors to utilise the whole list and share the workload through out the year. It's up to the coaching staff to get the best out of the players for the whole 120 minutes

[B.M]

You’ve bagged the s*** out of Ross and Membrey this season

Are you glad they’re in?

You must be, Ross decided on it

I won’t if Mattaus will play again, get 10 touches in 3 quarters and get subbed again?

[CURLY]

So it looks like both our picks 7 and 8 from the 2017 draft could be busts!

Let that sink in!

Coffield coming off a knee reco.

He’s been out with soft tissue injuries, calf problems this season?

Happens when returning from a knee reco sometimes

[Scollop]

B.M

Who the fvck are you directing that to?

[WellardSaint]

And most nuff nuffs like to have a couple of scapegoats when we lose an important match like last week.

Match Committee's decisions can be puzzling.
No idea whether a guy is dropped due to papers stamped,
or if he's part of the future and needs a run at Zebs to work on stuff.
Windy, we knew he's a keeper, but guys like the 4 emergencies?
Only the inner circle knows

[SaintPav]

So it looks like both our picks 7 and 8 from the 2017 draft could be busts!

Let that sink in!

Coffield coming off a knee reco.

He’s been out with soft tissue injuries, calf problems this season?

Happens when returning from a knee reco sometimes

Not arguing the cause, just that they might not make it.

[nostalgicsaint]

Smashed in clearances.

Ross > Clark in clearances

Clark worst performed mid in that area.





I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.

If you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppage

If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here

Ah potato cakes.

Here we go again.

1. Try reading. I'm not happy about Clark being dropped, simply trying to understand what the rationale might have been.

2. Attendance at stoppages is a stat I don't have access to however we do have access to a good proxy. Center bounce attendances.

For your reference.

Crouch 18 for 2 center clearances
Steele 16 for 1
Owens 14 for 1
Clark 11 for 0
Sinclair 4 for 1


Based on the above worst performed in that area.

Our other option is time on ground vs total clearance

Crouch 86% and 7 clearances
Steele 75% and 1
Owens 80% and 3
Clark. 67% and 1
Sinclair 86% and 1


This looks a bit better but when you consider all the others spend some time forward and back it is less impactful. I suspect part of the reason Clark has lower TOG % is because he is viewed as a pure mid option.


To finish the logic for you. Ross has been brought in to strengthen our midfield, Lyon likes his structures and the players bend around that. It would seem they deemed Clark the worst performed.

[saintbob]

WTAF, Paton added to the squad surely Lyon has seen enough of him

Really? It sounds like you think he was on Breust. I prefer my defenders to be able to defend.

I prefer my defenders to be able to think for themselves, not freeze under pressure and actually use the ball. He’s NFG and he won’t be at the club next year, where as the bloke who played on Breust will be.

Breust will be happy and a lot of other small forwards. Oh, and you bob. What pressure does Paton freeze under bob? It is certainly not the pressure of locking down a small forward.

Do you seriously think he’d have spent so long in the magoos this year, if he was so damn good at locking down small forwards???

[Teflon]

Smashed in clearances.

Ross > Clark in clearances

Clark worst performed mid in that area.





I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.

Yep
Couldn’t win clearance
Treacle on outside
May be on way out - kangas love him…deal please

[SaintPav]

WTAF, Paton added to the squad surely Lyon has seen enough of him

Really? It sounds like you think he was on Breust. I prefer my defenders to be able to defend.

I prefer my defenders to be able to think for themselves, not freeze under pressure and actually use the ball. He’s NFG and he won’t be at the club next year, where as the bloke who played on Breust will be.

Breust will be happy and a lot of other small forwards. Oh, and you bob. What pressure does Paton freeze under bob? It is certainly not the pressure of locking down a small forward.

Don’t sweat it, GL.

Bob is a glass half empty kind of guy.

[Scollop]

Smashed in clearances.

Ross > Clark in clearances

Clark worst performed mid in that area.





I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.

If you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppage

If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here

Ah potato cakes.

Here we go again.

1. Try reading. I'm not happy about Clark being dropped, simply trying to understand what the rationale might have been.

2. Attendance at stoppages is a stat I don't have access to however we do have access to a good proxy. Center bounce attendances.

For your reference.

Crouch 18 for 2 center clearances
Steele 16 for 1
Owens 14 for 1
Clark 11 for 0
Sinclair 4 for 1


Based on the above worst performed in that area.

Our other option is time on ground vs total clearance

Crouch 86% and 7 clearances
Steele 75% and 1
Owens 80% and 3
Clark. 67% and 1
Sinclair 86% and 1


This looks a bit better but when you consider all the others spend some time forward and back it is less impactful. I suspect part of the reason Clark has lower TOG % is because he is viewed as a pure mid option.


To finish the logic for you. Ross has been brought in to strengthen our midfield, Lyon likes his structures and the players bend around that. It would seem they deemed Clark the worst performed.

I responded to your first post nostalgic nuff nuff

You said

Ross > Clark in clearances

I agree that the inclusion of Seb in the team is good, however he had been poor at clearances for the year. You were comparing Clark with Seb, so the only way to do that is with yearly figures because Sebby didn't play last week.

You made a statement which implied that Ross is better at clearances. Where is the proof?

Now that you have access to the centre clearance and centre bounce attendance stats, let me know if your statement is true (even including Clark's poor effort against Carlton)

[MC Gusto]

Personally I hope Ross is riding Clark a la nicky dal. If not he’s gone.

Coff I hope gets a chance. Has been cruelled

Billings clearly gone

[saynta]

Clark sub maybe.

[Ghost Like]

WTAF, Paton added to the squad surely Lyon has seen enough of him

Really? It sounds like you think he was on Breust. I prefer my defenders to be able to defend.

I prefer my defenders to be able to think for themselves, not freeze under pressure and actually use the ball. He’s NFG and he won’t be at the club next year, where as the bloke who played on Breust will be.

Breust will be happy and a lot of other small forwards. Oh, and you bob. What pressure does Paton freeze under bob? It is certainly not the pressure of locking down a small forward.

Do you seriously think he’d have spent so long in the magoos this year, if he was so damn good at locking down small forwards???

Read how this started bob. You had a wobbly that he had got picked in the squad. He obviously went back to Sandy and has worked hard in that time so deserves the credit of selection. Paton overtook Webster for the small lockdown backman until Roughead wanted to relive his Glory days. I feel for the kid.

You are celebrating a bloke who allowed Breust to kick a career high, in his twilight years, on the basis his kicks appear sharp, when they are just as panicked as Paton's are when no one runs to space.

I do know that Paton has never had 5 (6) kicked on him. Yes, I do value defenders who can lock down. Paton actually makes the lives of Webster and Sinclair better by covering off for them. I think he's a selfless, determined player and hope he remains a Saint because he's disciplined and can actually defend.

[nostalgicsaint]

Smashed in clearances.

Ross > Clark in clearances

Clark worst performed mid in that area.





I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.

If you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppage

If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here

Ah potato cakes.

Here we go again.

1. Try reading. I'm not happy about Clark being dropped, simply trying to understand what the rationale might have been.

2. Attendance at stoppages is a stat I don't have access to however we do have access to a good proxy. Center bounce attendances.

For your reference.

Crouch 18 for 2 center clearances
Steele 16 for 1
Owens 14 for 1
Clark 11 for 0
Sinclair 4 for 1


Based on the above worst performed in that area.

Our other option is time on ground vs total clearance

Crouch 86% and 7 clearances
Steele 75% and 1
Owens 80% and 3
Clark. 67% and 1
Sinclair 86% and 1


This looks a bit better but when you consider all the others spend some time forward and back it is less impactful. I suspect part of the reason Clark has lower TOG % is because he is viewed as a pure mid option.


To finish the logic for you. Ross has been brought in to strengthen our midfield, Lyon likes his structures and the players bend around that. It would seem they deemed Clark the worst performed.

I responded to your first post nostalgic nuff nuff

You said

Ross > Clark in clearances

I agree that the inclusion of Seb in the team is good, however he had been poor at clearances for the year. You were comparing Clark with Seb, so the only way to do that is with yearly figures because Sebby didn't play last week.

You made a statement which implied that Ross is better at clearances. Where is the proof?

Now that you have access to the centre clearance and centre bounce attendance stats, let me know if your statement is true (even including Clark's poor effort against Carlton)

You a bit fried mate. No problem I'll give you that context as well.

H Clark 2023 averages.
Center clearances 1
Stoppage 1.9
Total 2.9
Clangers 3.6
Meters gained 262.

S Ross
Center 1.6
Stoppage 2.2
Total 3.8
Clangers 2.9
Meters gained 331


Again- I'm a massive Clark fan, hope he is the sub but this is the logic I can see for the change made to the side.

[Teflon]

Clark had 67% game time (total). and 1 disposal from 20min game time in the last quarter

[Scollop]

Smashed in clearances.

Ross > Clark in clearances

Clark worst performed mid in that area.





I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.

If you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppage

If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here

Ah potato cakes.

Here we go again.

1. Try reading. I'm not happy about Clark being dropped, simply trying to understand what the rationale might have been.

2. Attendance at stoppages is a stat I don't have access to however we do have access to a good proxy. Center bounce attendances.

For your reference.

Crouch 18 for 2 center clearances
Steele 16 for 1
Owens 14 for 1
Clark 11 for 0
Sinclair 4 for 1


Based on the above worst performed in that area.

Our other option is time on ground vs total clearance

Crouch 86% and 7 clearances
Steele 75% and 1
Owens 80% and 3
Clark. 67% and 1
Sinclair 86% and 1


This looks a bit better but when you consider all the others spend some time forward and back it is less impactful. I suspect part of the reason Clark has lower TOG % is because he is viewed as a pure mid option.

To finish the logic for you. Ross has been brought in to strengthen our midfield, Lyon likes his structures and the players bend around that. It would seem they deemed Clark the worst performed.

I responded to your first post nostalgic nuff nuff

You said

Ross > Clark in clearances

I agree that the inclusion of Seb in the team is good, however he had been poor at clearances for the year. You were comparing Clark with Seb, so the only way to do that is with yearly figures because Sebby didn't play last week.

You made a statement which implied that Ross is better at clearances. Where is the proof?

Now that you have access to the centre clearance and centre bounce attendance stats, let me know if your statement is true (even including Clark's poor effort against Carlton)

You a bit fried mate. No problem I'll give you that context as well.

H Clark 2023 averages.
Center clearances 1
Stoppage 1.9
Total 2.9
Clangers 3.6
Meters gained 262.

S Ross
Center 1.6
Stoppage 2.2
Total 3.8
Clangers 2.9
Meters gained 331


Again- I'm a massive Clark fan, hope he is the sub but this is the logic I can see for the change made to the side.

Stop manufacturing something to justify your nuff nuff opinion.

Averages do not equate to effectiveness.

You do understand what percentage and efficiency is, versus a pure whole number don't you?

[saynta]

Smashed in clearances.

Ross > Clark in clearances

Clark worst performed mid in that area.





I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.

If you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppage

If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here

Ah potato cakes.

Here we go again.

1. Try reading. I'm not happy about Clark being dropped, simply trying to understand what the rationale might have been.

2. Attendance at stoppages is a stat I don't have access to however we do have access to a good proxy. Center bounce attendances.

For your reference.

Crouch 18 for 2 center clearances
Steele 16 for 1
Owens 14 for 1
Clark 11 for 0
Sinclair 4 for 1


Based on the above worst performed in that area.

Our other option is time on ground vs total clearance

Crouch 86% and 7 clearances
Steele 75% and 1
Owens 80% and 3
Clark. 67% and 1
Sinclair 86% and 1


This looks a bit better but when you consider all the others spend some time forward and back it is less impactful. I suspect part of the reason Clark has lower TOG % is because he is viewed as a pure mid option.


To finish the logic for you. Ross has been brought in to strengthen our midfield, Lyon likes his structures and the players bend around that. It would seem they deemed Clark the worst performed.

I responded to your first post nostalgic nuff nuff

You said

Ross > Clark in clearances

I agree that the inclusion of Seb in the team is good, however he had been poor at clearances for the year. You were comparing Clark with Seb, so the only way to do that is with yearly figures because Sebby didn't play last week.

You made a statement which implied that Ross is better at clearances. Where is the proof?

Now that you have access to the centre clearance and centre bounce attendance stats, let me know if your statement is true (even including Clark's poor effort against Carlton)

You a bit fried mate. No problem I'll give you that context as well.

H Clark 2023 averages.
Center clearances 1
Stoppage 1.9
Total 2.9
Clangers 3.6
Meters gained 262.

S Ross
Center 1.6
Stoppage 2.2
Total 3.8
Clangers 2.9
Meters gained 331


Again- I'm a massive Clark fan, hope he is the sub but this is the logic I can see for the change made to the side.

I'm not a betting man but I would think Clark will be the Sub...If not Billings.

[Teflon]

B.M

Who the fvck are you directing that to?

absolutely golden
nuff nuffs chatting away ….to nobody…
Is that you god? You listening?

[Scollop]

B.M

Who the fvck are you directing that to?

absolutely golden
nuff nuffs chatting away ….to nobody…
Is that you god? You listening?

He was probably asking you if you're happy about Seb and Tim back in the team. You're one of the posters who's bagged both Tim Membrey and Seb Ross

Why don't you answer him