West Indies in Australia.. Train wreck?

[shanegrambeau]

These guys have a crack and are pretty on..seem to tyink aussies lacked discipline..except Smith
https://www.youtube.com/live/uy8h97Yw338?feature=share
and for day Two
https://www.youtube.com/live/TK2YZvOSd7c?feature=share

[saynta]

Aussies are pathetic.

[shanegrambeau]

Not all of them were.
Smith OK
Boland was wicketless but very solid
Murphy is a catch
Carey kept well

[Yorkeys]

Not all of them were.
Smith OK
Boland was wicketless but very solid
Murphy is a catch
Carey kept well

Smith and Boland dropped catches. Important ones. Boland was skilfull but seemed devoid of imagination. Carey was good. Coaching staff awful. Murphy is great but what might Agar have done. Head's sin? Not Victorian. Langer probably has some home spun wisdom for the new age coach.

[shanegrambeau]

Not all of them were.
Smith OK
Boland was wicketless but very solid
Murphy is a catch
Carey kept well

Smith and Boland dropped catches. Important ones. Boland was skilfull but seemed devoid of imagination. Carey was good. Coaching staff awful. Murphy is great but what might Agar have done. Head's sin? Not Victorian. Langer probably has some home spun wisdom for the new age coach.

I agree
Coaching awful
Australias mental prep and stage of mind shot befor the first ball was bowled

Terrible
All the talk of pitch nonsense
What did they expect ?
A green top like the Gabba??
Ffs
Terrible

[shanegrambeau]

Makes Justin Langer a good coach

[saynta]

Not all of them were.
Smith OK
Boland was wicketless but very solid
Murphy is a catch
Carey kept well

Smith and Boland dropped catches. Important ones. Boland was skilfull but seemed devoid of imagination. Carey was good. Coaching staff awful. Murphy is great but what might Agar have done. Head's sin? Not Victorian. Langer probably has some home spun wisdom for the new age coach.

You meant, not a NSW player didn't you?

[bigcarl]

Out: Renshaw, Handscombe, Lyon
In: Head, Green & Hazlewood (if both fit).

Would love to drop Warner, too, but three changes is enough for now.

[Yorkeys]

Not all of them were.
Smith OK
Boland was wicketless but very solid
Murphy is a catch
Carey kept well

Smith and Boland dropped catches. Important ones. Boland was skilfull but seemed devoid of imagination. Carey was good. Coaching staff awful. Murphy is great but what might Agar have done. Head's sin? Not Victorian. Langer probably has some home spun wisdom for the new age coach.

You meant, not a NSW player didn't you?

Just assume they are untouchable and don't even figure in selection discussions. Warner and Lyon look supremely comfortable about their spots.

[Killa]

One of the Indian commentators offered that the problem was that the bowlers did not know if the ball was going to turn or go straight on (because of how the pitch was prepared)

Then bounce and pace off the dirt, where again the bowlers had no idea of what would happen when the ball pitched

This was the fact

That said, the problem Australia had was that we just were not taking wickets at both ends

So India could bat time - and that time and one of their openers going big meant their tail contributed

IF we had Murphy at 4/50 matched by someone at the other end going 4/50 then the first innings deficit is negligible - if any

And it is game on

Instead it was 400, with our sole wicket taker fatigued thru the Overs he was called on to bowl (in just his 6th First Class game to boot)

Cummins bowled poorly, Boland was honest and Lyon was Lyon, lacking variation and guile

We were missing Starc, Hazelwood, Green and Head

Normally first choice selections in a team of eleven

Our openers did not contribute so there was immediate pressure - one of them has to do what the Indian guy did

Then we need another 2 or 3 down to Carey to give us some runs in support

600 runs across 2 Innings should win - and will win on the pitches being prepared

Noting the records of their spinners on the pitches they are given in India versus elsewhere - and why they are not great bowlers

Interesting from here is Murphy, behind our pace brigade and Green leaving no room for Lyon

And the ICC pitch report and if they have an appetite to address the matter with the dominant and elitist BCCI - and any response by the BCCI

The threat of neutral venues will work

But does the ICC, dominated as it is have the gumption?

Noting the BCCI tell CA they will not play in Brisbane and otherwise dictate re venues and pitch presentation

[The_Dud]

The pitch was fine, Australia threw away wickets in the first innings then bowled poorly when their turn came around. The second innings they’d already mentally checked out.

Also note that on their last tour down here India beat Australia in Brisbane with their B team to win the series.

[shanegrambeau]

One of the Indian commentators offered that the problem was that the bowlers did not know if the ball was going to turn or go straight on (because of how the pitch was prepared)

Then bounce and pace off the dirt, where again the bowlers had no idea of what would happen when the ball pitched

This was the fact

That said, the problem Australia had was that we just were not taking wickets at both ends

So India could bat time - and that time and one of their openers going big meant their tail contributed

IF we had Murphy at 4/50 matched by someone at the other end going 4/50 then the first innings deficit is negligible - if any

And it is game on

Instead it was 400, with our sole wicket taker fatigued thru the Overs he was called on to bowl (in just his 6th First Class game to boot)

Cummins bowled poorly, Boland was honest and Lyon was Lyon, lacking variation and guile

We were missing Starc, Hazelwood, Green and Head

Normally first choice selections in a team of eleven

Our openers did not contribute so there was immediate pressure - one of them has to do what the Indian guy did

Then we need another 2 or 3 down to Carey to give us some runs in support

600 runs across 2 Innings should win - and will win on the pitches being prepared

Noting the records of their spinners on the pitches they are given in India versus elsewhere - and why they are not great bowlers

Interesting from here is Murphy, behind our pace brigade and Green leaving no room for Lyon

And the ICC pitch report and if they have an appetite to address the matter with the dominant and elitist BCCI - and any response by the BCCI

The threat of neutral venues will work

But does the ICC, dominated as it is have the gumption?

Noting the BCCI tell CA they will not play in Brisbane and otherwise dictate re venues and pitch presentation

First of all, let's get rid of this notion that the Aussies were unlucky because of a doctored pitch, even if, and perhaps, especially if the commentators stir up the pot for entertainment by acting shocked or surprised, or pointing out that the bowlers didn't know which way it goes. If the bounce and turn are unpredictable, more power to the bowling team. Sure it might make field placings sketchy, but that's a small price.

No excuse for the Aussies.

And if they bought into all that pitch talk, they are weaker for it.

I think we were fragile. I think the selections were poor. I think the pressure told, and the captain bowled the worst he has ever bowled. We were unprepared and not steeled for this one. The dropped catches also show that, particularly Bolands. That's what happens in these situations, you drop sitters. Your confidence is shot.

Australia threw away wickets, Lambo. Warner shouldn't be playing (unless sticks are that desperate) although he'll make 200 next test for me saying this...and then Renshaw was just a mess. He looked like a duck playing tunnel ball. Fair dinkum..why couldn't they re-group and re-focus? Just asking.

[CURLY]

I'm still bemused why India feel the need to cheat.

[Killa]

The pitch was selectively prepared.

By the square inch.

One look at it.

It denied the pace bowlers "grubbers" off short of a length (so they were not landing in loose dirt) but, equally, did not provide bounce from short of a length.

And it provided the slow bowlers the "variation" depending on which square inch the ball landed on (and this selective preparation was in consideration of left handed batsmen).

Yes, both sides played on the same surface.

But Australia was only taking wickets from the one end.

We just did not have the bowling partnership the Indians had on their doctored pitch.

And we did not have batting partnerships because our openers failed in both innings.

So a 30 or 40 did not contribute to a partnership of 80 or 100.

It was said that 600 runs in a game will see that game won.

On these decks, amend that to 400.

Which they ground out in their First Innings because they had an opener making runs (to bat around) then their lower order contributed as it did - Australia only having one bowler taking wickets.

I note another slow bowler has been flown in - and Swepson has returned to Australia for personal reasons (drawing the question of why he was in the touring party in the first instance).

What does that say to the spin bowling resources already there - except Murphy.

And perhaps, just perhaps, Murphy will see bolder selections (starting with SA playing Pope at Shield level - in 4 matches as Second Eleven level he has 24 wickets at 17 to lead the wicket takers - and he leads the District wicket takers in Adelaide).

[shanegrambeau]

The pitch was fine, Australia threw away wickets in the first innings then bowled poorly when their turn came around. The second innings they’d already mentally checked out.

Also note that on their last tour down here India beat Australia in Brisbane with their B team to win the series.

THIS

[Yorkeys]

Look a rabble. Poorly coached, poorly selected, poor performances, no leadership. (Sound familiar from Moorabbin a few years back?)
Aussie cricketers are proving paying huge contracts of itself does not buy performance or determination or camaraderie/spirit, even from those enormously skilled.
Warner seems the dominant personality. A cheat and bully whose best was a while ago!
At least of the rest of the world will be enjoying us losing like we did.
Khawaja - Qld captain, Hanscombe Vic Captain, Cummins Oz Captain, Smith former Australian Captain, Head SA captain but dropped; should be plenty of nous, strong minds and experience there? NADA!
There are enough men in that side to take that humiliating defeat personally and really want to come back hard in second test, maybe McDonald just needs to get out of their way.

[The_Dud]

The pitch was selectively prepared.

By the square inch.

One look at it.

It denied the pace bowlers "grubbers" off short of a length (so they were not landing in loose dirt) but, equally, did not provide bounce from short of a length.

And it provided the slow bowlers the "variation" depending on which square inch the ball landed on (and this selective preparation was in consideration of left handed batsmen).

Yes, both sides played on the same surface.

But Australia was only taking wickets from the one end.

We just did not have the bowling partnership the Indians had on their doctored pitch.

And we did not have batting partnerships because our openers failed in both innings.

So a 30 or 40 did not contribute to a partnership of 80 or 100.

It was said that 600 runs in a game will see that game won.

On these decks, amend that to 400.

Which they ground out in their First Innings because they had an opener making runs (to bat around) then their lower order contributed as it did - Australia only having one bowler taking wickets.

I note another slow bowler has been flown in - and Swepson has returned to Australia for personal reasons (drawing the question of why he was in the touring party in the first instance).

What does that say to the spin bowling resources already there - except Murphy.

And perhaps, just perhaps, Murphy will see bolder selections (starting with SA playing Pope at Shield level - in 4 matches as Second Eleven level he has 24 wickets at 17 to lead the wicket takers - and he leads the District wicket takers in Adelaide).

The pregame pitch talk was a beat up.

Their bowlers just know how to bowl in home conditions better, as they should.

Look at the opening bowling spells of both 1st innings, sums up the whole match.

[CURLY]

India cheating at home knows no limit. That pitch was a disgrace.

[The_Dud]

New year, same ol’ Cryin’ Curly

[CURLY]

New year, same ol’ Cryin’ Curly

Just calling out cheating. No need for it.

[The_Dud]

[CURLY]

How was that cheating?

This will be good.

[The_Dud]

How was India cheating? Did they bribe our selectors?

[CURLY]

How was India cheating? Did they bribe our selectors?

That pitch was blatant cheating.

[The_Dud]

How was India cheating? Did they bribe our selectors?

That pitch was blatant cheating.

Oh, ok then