Bowes

[Vortex]

I’d actually offer Bowes 4 years and spread his money
1.6 over 4

That could work if money is no object and like I say, other people's money and debt and credit is cheap so there's that.

But where the longer deal for a list clogger could become problematic is the denial of an available spot on the list for prospects capable of making the grade, and by grade my version is a player who wouldn’t look out of place in a sustainable top 4 side. After 6 years on a list has to raise questions about what more do you need to see...especially after 78 games.

North have secured extra spots on their list size so they could probably hide long term projects or training players.

[Linton Street Saint]

Supposedly we have pulled out and Riewoldt lost his rag about it.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/26/ ... rade-race/

[D.B.Cooper]

I watched Jack play for Cairns Saints, and the team I spend the second most of time watching is the GCS due to work related connections as well as a close connection with the GCS due to said work connections.

No disrespect to Jack, he's been fringe in a really poor team.

Roo needs to get out of the Melbourne fox studio more often.

Two questions:
1. How does a fringe player receive a contract (between $550K - $850K) as reported in the media?
(Must be a StKilda connection in contract management)

2. How does a fringe player play in over 80% of his teams matches since his debut in 2017 - 2021?

Having watched a lot of GCS, I see Jack Bowes as a solid C+ AFL player.
Decent ball use and skills, is not Jack Steele at the contest but not Brad Hill either.

I don't know how he'd go as an onballer in AFL but he dominated in the 1 VFL game I saw him play.

I'd pick Bowes easily ahead of Byrnes, Bytel, Paton, Connolley and probably a few others.

Would I take a deal with Bowes on his current contract without incentive - NO!
Would I take him with #7, Absolutely, assuming we have cap space.

If we can pay Hill, Hannebery, Jones, Crouch, Kent etc to come across why not grab #7 in the draft.
Maybe paying B&C grade players heavy contracts in the reason we cannot take this deal.

I mean we give up multiple picks and Acres for Hill and pay him (reported) $800 - $900K.
We pay Hannebery (reported) $800K to barely play.

Melbourne look to secure Grundy with Collingwood contributing 25% of his salary for a late first or early second round draft pick.

[Sainternist]

[amusingname]

Fringe player in a bad team?

So, like Long?

I don’t care about Bowes (who has a 1M contract for two seasons)

I care about the FRDP to make up for Clark - who ironically was pick 7

I’d actually offer Bowes 4 years and spread his money
1.6 over 4

But it seems that it isn’t $1million over 2, it’s $1.6-1.65 million.

The key point is also that to spread his money over 4 years he has to agree, maybe he won’t. Also, maybe he has decided he wants to get to geelong or another team, not us. Gold Coast can’t trade him somewhere against his will.

[Vortex]

I watched Jack play for Cairns Saints, and the team I spend the second most of time watching is the GCS due to work related connections as well as a close connection with the GCS due to said work connections.

No disrespect to Jack, he's been fringe in a really poor team.

Roo needs to get out of the Melbourne fox studio more often.

Two questions:
1. How does a fringe player receive a contract (between $550K - $850K) as reported in the media?
(Must be a StKilda connection in contract management)

2. How does a fringe player play in over 80% of his teams matches since his debut in 2017 - 2021?

Having watched a lot of GCS, I see Jack Bowes as a solid C+ AFL player.
Decent ball use and skills, is not Jack Steele at the contest but not Brad Hill either.

I don't know how he'd go as an onballer in AFL but he dominated in the 1 VFL game I saw him play.

I'd pick Bowes easily ahead of Byrnes, Bytel, Paton, Connolley and probably a few others.

Would I take a deal with Bowes on his current contract without incentive - NO!
Would I take him with #7, Absolutely, assuming we have cap space.

If we can pay Hill, Hannebery, Jones, Crouch, Kent etc to come across why not grab #7 in the draft.
Maybe paying B&C grade players heavy contracts in the reason we cannot take this deal.

I mean we give up multiple picks and Acres for Hill and pay him (reported) $800 - $900K.
We pay Hannebery (reported) $800K to barely play.

Melbourne look to secure Grundy with Collingwood contributing 25% of his salary for a late first or early second round draft pick.

Straight to the solid C+ statement, agree.

Question 1 and 2 are not questions I'm asking, I'm asking how many more C+ players at 6 years in the system can our list carry in the hope and speculation our club might help them go to the next level in year 7 and 8 in the system.

The De Goey domino has to fall to know what the club are up to, can they afford the $1m addition to the salary cap if De Goey is still gettable?

[The_Dud]

I literally know nothing about Bowes, but if the him plus pick 7 deal is true (not sure why GC would do this) it seems like a no brainer. You're basically buying an early draft pick, and its not like we're tight on cash.

[D.B.Cooper]

I watched Jack play for Cairns Saints, and the team I spend the second most of time watching is the GCS due to work related connections as well as a close connection with the GCS due to said work connections.

No disrespect to Jack, he's been fringe in a really poor team.

Roo needs to get out of the Melbourne fox studio more often.

Two questions:
1. How does a fringe player receive a contract (between $550K - $850K) as reported in the media?
(Must be a StKilda connection in contract management)

2. How does a fringe player play in over 80% of his teams matches since his debut in 2017 - 2021?

Having watched a lot of GCS, I see Jack Bowes as a solid C+ AFL player.
Decent ball use and skills, is not Jack Steele at the contest but not Brad Hill either.

I don't know how he'd go as an onballer in AFL but he dominated in the 1 VFL game I saw him play.

I'd pick Bowes easily ahead of Byrnes, Bytel, Paton, Connolley and probably a few others.

Would I take a deal with Bowes on his current contract without incentive - NO!
Would I take him with #7, Absolutely, assuming we have cap space.

If we can pay Hill, Hannebery, Jones, Crouch, Kent etc to come across why not grab #7 in the draft.
Maybe paying B&C grade players heavy contracts in the reason we cannot take this deal.

I mean we give up multiple picks and Acres for Hill and pay him (reported) $800 - $900K.
We pay Hannebery (reported) $800K to barely play.

Melbourne look to secure Grundy with Collingwood contributing 25% of his salary for a late first or early second round draft pick.

Straight to the solid C+ statement, agree.

Question 1 and 2 are not questions I'm asking, I'm asking how many more C+ players at 6 years in the system can our list carry in the hope and speculation our club might help them go to the next level in year 7 and 8 in the system.

The De Goey domino has to fall to know what the club are up to, can they afford the $1m addition to the salary cap if De Goey is still gettable?

The question is how much money is #7 draft pick worth to the Saints?

If it’s worth $1M hopefully the Bowes steak knives provide value. If it gets Cam McKenzie I’d be stoked with that deal.

Agree adding Bowes does nothing to elevate us up the ladder as he is another Flanker type who has no elite trait that we are screaming for.

[saintbob]

Why would they pay a dud over $500K? a season.

The club could renegotiate the deal and stretch it out.
And why the f*** wouldn’t we want to grab pick 7 as a bonus,,seriously!!!
Get Geoff Walsh in now FFS

Why would Bowes agree to stretch out the contract? He agreed to the terms that back ended the contract when Gold Coast resigned him, if they now have screwed up why should he lose out? If he is the player some think he is, surely he would back himself and say to whoever is interested ‘pay me my contract as it was agreed to and I will show you what I am worth, then negotiate in the final year’.

I guarantee Geelong won’t be paying him 850k in his first year, so why couldn’t we do the same f****** thing and get another pick in the Top 10 in the process.
It’s an absolute no brainer, but because we’re a joke of a club we’d prefer to draft blokes like Hartigan, Phillips or Robinson.

[amusingname]

Why would they pay a dud over $500K? a season.

The club could renegotiate the deal and stretch it out.
And why the f*** wouldn’t we want to grab pick 7 as a bonus,,seriously!!!
Get Geoff Walsh in now FFS

Why would Bowes agree to stretch out the contract? He agreed to the terms that back ended the contract when Gold Coast resigned him, if they now have screwed up why should he lose out? If he is the player some think he is, surely he would back himself and say to whoever is interested ‘pay me my contract as it was agreed to and I will show you what I am worth, then negotiate in the final year’.

I guarantee Geelong won’t be paying him 850k in his first year, so why couldn’t we do the same f****** thing and get another pick in the Top 10 in the process.
It’s an absolute no brainer, but because we’re a joke of a club we’d prefer to draft blokes like Hartigan, Phillips or Robinson.

Because he has to agree to the trade and geelong is maybe more appealing to him?

[saintbob]

Why would they pay a dud over $500K? a season.

The club could renegotiate the deal and stretch it out.
And why the f*** wouldn’t we want to grab pick 7 as a bonus,,seriously!!!
Get Geoff Walsh in now FFS

Why would Bowes agree to stretch out the contract? He agreed to the terms that back ended the contract when Gold Coast resigned him, if they now have screwed up why should he lose out? If he is the player some think he is, surely he would back himself and say to whoever is interested ‘pay me my contract as it was agreed to and I will show you what I am worth, then negotiate in the final year’.

I guarantee Geelong won’t be paying him 850k in his first year, so why couldn’t we do the same f****** thing and get another pick in the Top 10 in the process.
It’s an absolute no brainer, but because we’re a joke of a club we’d prefer to draft blokes like Hartigan, Phillips or Robinson.

Because he has to agree to the trade and geelong is maybe more appealing to him?

Of course he does, but seriously where is he more of a chance of getting a game

[Gershwin]

Do people really believe we would get Bowes and pick 7 for nothing? Just pay his salary. It is their part of the 'package'. It is what GC will give up and the other half of the equation is what we would have to give up.
We can include Long as part of the deal but then they will probably want our pick 9. Maybe we could offer our 2nd round pick instead.

But it comes down to do we want Bowes, and he doesn't seem all that good to me.

[amusingname]

Do people really believe we would get Bowes and pick 7 for nothing? Just pay his salary. It is their part of the 'package'. It is what GC will give up and the other half of the equation is what we would have to give up.
We can include Long as part of the deal but then they will probably want our pick 9. Maybe we could offer our 2nd round pick instead.

But it comes down to do we want Bowes, and he doesn't seem all that good to me.

The whole point of the trade is for them to get the money off the books and they already have too many picks for their available list spots, so the trade will be Bowes and 7 to whoever he decides on for not much return to Gold Coast.

He is not the asset, it’s pick 7 that is desirable. It’s just that the cost of taking bowes on is only worthwhile for a club that he is willing to work with to lessen the impact of his salary, by spreading it out. In reality, Bowes holds the cards here as he will get paid regardless and possibly make his way to the best scenario for him, either money or football wise.

[Gershwin]

Do people really believe we would get Bowes and pick 7 for nothing? Just pay his salary. It is their part of the 'package'. It is what GC will give up and the other half of the equation is what we would have to give up.
We can include Long as part of the deal but then they will probably want our pick 9. Maybe we could offer our 2nd round pick instead.

But it comes down to do we want Bowes, and he doesn't seem all that good to me.

The whole point of the trade is for them to get the money off the books and they already have too many picks for their available list spots, so the trade will be Bowes and 7 to whoever he decides on for not much return to Gold Coast.

He is not the asset, it’s pick 7 that is desirable. It’s just that the cost of taking bowes on is only worthwhile for a club that he is willing to work with to lessen the impact of his salary, by spreading it out. In reality, Bowes holds the cards here as he will get paid regardless and possibly make his way to the best scenario for him, either money or football wise.

Hmm. I'm not sure that is the case, but thanks for taking the time to explain it to me.

[B.M]

We are ridiculously stupid

This deal is exactly what we need

If we have ruled ourselves out, the list management is incompetent

Which is most likely the case.

[realdeal]

It's mind boggling that we throw contracts around like confetti to anyone who asks yet pull out of this.

This is exactly what we need!

[Vortex]

We are ridiculously stupid

This deal is exactly what we need

If we have ruled ourselves out, the list management is incompetent

Which is most likely the case.

I'd be reserving judgement becsuee there might be a long game we aren't aware of. It's interesting the club have been relatively quiet on general trade but felt it necessary to announce they had pulled out of the race for this specific offering.

[B.M]

Long game

Pfft

We need to get relevant very quickly

[Vortex]

Long game

Pfft

We need to get relevant very quickly

I was referring to the end of this trade period, not any longer. Couldn't agree more, if we don't get real lucky in this trade and the next trade period we will be in full rebuild by 2024.

[Rubyjo]

Guy having a crack..what do we make of this .

[meher baba]

Does anyone have inside knowledge of precisely what the Gold Coast are offering?

One version going around is that it’s Bowes plus pick 7 in exchange for taking on his salary and a late first round pick. We don’t have a late first round pick to give up so would have to find one somehow: eg by splitting our pick 9. Geelong and Brisbane, both of whom have been mentioned in relation to Bowes, have the required draft pick available.

[meher baba]

I’m also not sure that recruiting a mediocre player and paying him a s**tload of money is going to do a lot for the morale of the current list.

My instincts tell me that we might be better off out of it.

[Templar]

I’m also not sure that recruiting a mediocre player and paying him a s**tload of money is going to do a lot for the morale of the current list.

Who, Goofy?

[Vortex]

I’m also not sure that recruiting a mediocre player and paying him a s**tload of money is going to do a lot for the morale of the current list.

My instincts tell me that we might be better off out of it.

The other aspect of this peculiar offering from the GCS that no one seems to be questioning is how does the AFL system allow a fringe player to receive so much remuneration for very little return in the first place AND then be packaged up with a high FRDP that is clearly surplus to needs, or so it would seem, so the club can dump the player just to clean up its salary cap mess.

It's a really odd situation and clearly the industry has too much money....it just doesn't seem like a system that is working properly and also possibly suggests someone at the Suns stuffed up, maybe explains why Cochrane wants out.

[amusingname]

Guy having a crack..what do we make of this .

Seriously? Coops heart may be in the right place, but his Facebook ‘news’ page is just claims of exclusives that aren’t and clickbait videos like this. He has no idea if the saints made any overtures to players and seems to take overheard comments from players to fans (when he talks about Ben long) as gospel. He has no inside knowledge about player movements and what has been involved, he just has a lot of time on his hands and a Facebook page.