Trade-Draft 2021 Discussion

[Wayne42]

Ace, did I hear or read somewhere that Allison got extended by 2 years?

Listening to Gallagher it seems Joyce will get a contract.

Is it better to put Wilkie on the main list now to free up a rookie spot for a NGA or KPD or Ruck? I suspect he's getting properly compensated now.

It was mentioned in the thread i have linked below, but there has been no confirmation that i can find.

http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 9&start=25

[Impatient Sainter]

Points cost to queue jump for an NGA in the 21 to 40 range
21 = 681
22 = 648
23 = 618
24 = 588
25 = 559
26 = 532
27 = 506
28 = 480
29 = 456
30 = 432
31 = 409
32 = 387
33 = 366
34 = 345
35 = 325
36 = 305
37 = 286
38 = 268
39 = 249
40 = 232
41 onwards = next available selection = could be as low 0 points.
St Kilda will be lucky to get one NGA in the 21 to 40 range without having to dip into 2022 picks.
Getting 2 NGAs in that range will definitely require dipping into 2022 picks.
That is probably why St Kilda's 2nd round pick was not even entertained in any pick swapping arrangement for Xerri.

Ace just found this link we only need 197 points for the NGA players bid on between positions 21 to 40.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/523629/stat ... okie-draft

[Wayne42]

Points cost to queue jump for an NGA in the 21 to 40 range
21 = 681
22 = 648
23 = 618
24 = 588
25 = 559
26 = 532
27 = 506
28 = 480
29 = 456
30 = 432
31 = 409
32 = 387
33 = 366
34 = 345
35 = 325
36 = 305
37 = 286
38 = 268
39 = 249
40 = 232
41 onwards = next available selection = could be as low 0 points.
St Kilda will be lucky to get one NGA in the 21 to 40 range without having to dip into 2022 picks.
Getting 2 NGAs in that range will definitely require dipping into 2022 picks.
That is probably why St Kilda's 2nd round pick was not even entertained in any pick swapping arrangement for Xerri.

Ace just found this link we only need 197 points for the NGA players bid on between positions 21 to 40.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/523629/stat ... okie-draft

When i posted that link Ace commented on it, Badly presented by the AFL
That 197 points is the DISCOUNT, not the final cost for rookies in the 21 to 40 range.

Ace then modified the table to include the discounted points from 21 to 40 and posted it.

[diddley]

Correct !

Yes our pick 9 does become pick 11 but the pick is not diluted
Pies/Dogs jump in to grab two players being Daicos/Darcy NOT ANYONE ELSE
ALL other potential draftees are still available to us & other clubs

I expect North to bid on Daicos then bid on Darcy then take their true selection
I expect Pies/Dogs to pay full price for their picks !!

If this does not happen - I could understand because North may have more pressing needs and would not want to be 'stuck' with these selections.

I gotta disagree S_D.
If Collingwood don't match the bid for Daicos then NM will end up with a player rated higher than whomever they're going to select. If they do then NM will get the player they have their eyes on anyway.
Daicos has been rated the best player in the draft and it would be staggering if he's not matched on by Collingwood.
Afterall, didn't Collingwood just do a trade of draft picks to ensure they have enough points to use on him?

I don't know enough about Darcy but he's being spoken of as a pick 2-5, so similarly I would be staggered if he's not 'matched' by Footscray.

Horne is rated 1 but Collingwood has to match as they get top end talent for a pile of chook s***.

Collingwood has already signed Daicos to a 4 year contract, restructured their entire next 2 draft periods, and publicly said they will be matching the Daicos bid no matter where it comes.
There is no chance North would be ‘stuck’ with a player they don’t actually want.

[Impatient Sainter]

Gallagher mentioning the club kept all of next years picks in case of a need to trade back into this years draft (which I gather he means the 2nd round). Looking at each clubs 2021 draft hands I cant see another club wanting to exchange next years picks for this? Brisbane & Essendon will have early rated Father Sons, but they dont have 2nd round picks to trade?

The only way I can see we are going to improve this years draft hand is by splitting pick 9 with a club like Richmond or by involving next years 1st round pick. But I would have thought if we are chasing Ben King next year we will need that 1st rounder.

[Wayne42]

Maybe they should be trying to trade next years future 2nd for Collingwood's 2021 pick 27, the Pies will lose that pick on Daicos.

I haven't done the maths to see if that would burn them for this year but footy experts were saying the Pies should trade it.

If that won't work then i'm sure Gags has a cunning plan.

[ace]

Maybe they should be trying to trade next years future 2nd for Collingwood's 2021 pick 27, the Pies will lose that pick on Daicos.

I haven't done the maths to see if that would burn them for this year but footy experts were saying the Pies should trade it.

If that won't work then i'm sure Gags has a cunning plan.

Pick 27 provides Collingwood with 703 points, they will need that and heaps more from later picks if Daicos is called in the top 4.
So if clubs pass on Daicos knowing that his contract with Collingwood is already agreed then Collingwood would not need pick 27.
It would be consumed in obtaining Daicos leaving them with late picks they don't want.
Far better to trade it for a future 2nd round pick and let the points for Daicos come from multiple late picks instead.

Here's the math
Collingwood has picks 27, 36, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78, 79
Those are worth points 703, 502, 331, 302, 207, 170, 0, 0
Daicos called at pick 1 Collingwood needs 2,400 points,they only have 2215 points so they need to strip 185 points from their 2022 first round pick .
Daicos called at pick 2 Collingwood needs 2,014 points, they have 1838 points from picks 27, 36, 46, 48, the remaining 176 points will come from pick 55 but the remainder of 31 points will move pick 55 back to pick 71.
Daicos called at pick 3 Collingwood needs 1,788 points, they have 1536 points from picks 27, 36, 46, the remaining 252 points will come from pick 48 but the remainder of 50 points will move pick 48 back to pick 69.
Daicos called at pick 4, Collingwood needs 1,628 points, they have 1536 points from picks 27, 36, 46, the remaining 92 points will come from pick 48 but the remainder of 210 points will move pick 48 back to pick 55.
If Daicos has not been called at pick 4 Collingwood would only need 1503 points at pick 5.
Collingwood trades away pick 27
Collingwood has then uses pick 36, 46, 48, 55, 58 worth 1,512 points so pick 58 has a remainder of 9 points so moves to pick 74.

If Darcy is called ahead of Daicos then the points on each pick used by Collingwood change.
One thing is sure, Collingwood will have done the math on every combination and know what to do at the appropriate time.
It's called due diligence.

It is worth remembering that the queue jumping for Daicos and Darcy will push pick 27 back to pick 29 worth 653 points.
So St Kilda trades 2022 2nd round for pick 27 that becomes 29.
St Kilda could use those points to match an NGA pick in the 20s (with 197 points discount)
If no NGA matching required in the 20s then St Kilda would use the pick for a non NGA player.

Once pick 40 has been announced i would hope St Kilda will be trying to trade away any picks of any points value as NGA players then only require "next available pick" to match.

[ace]

Ace, did I hear or read somewhere that Allison got extended by 2 years?

Listening to Gallagher it seems Joyce will get a contract.

Is it better to put Wilkie on the main list now to free up a rookie spot for a NGA or KPD or Ruck? I suspect he's getting properly compensated now.

If you have a senior pick available get the best player available.
If instead you wait for the rookie draft that player may be already taken and you are forced to take a lesser rated player.

Rookies Paul Hunter & Darragh Joyce re not yet safe.
They long with senior Dean Kent are yet to be offered contracts.

If Allison got extended beyond 2022, it would have happened after 17 September https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... e992a17f30
and I did not see it and no mention in club news
He got the automatic 2 year contract when drafted taking him through to the end of 2022 season.

[Ghost Like]

Ace, did I hear or read somewhere that Allison got extended by 2 years?

Listening to Gallagher it seems Joyce will get a contract.

Is it better to put Wilkie on the main list now to free up a rookie spot for a NGA or KPD or Ruck? I suspect he's getting properly compensated now.

If you have a senior pick available get the best player available.
If instead you wait for the rookie draft that player may be already taken and you are forced to take a lesser rated player.

Rookies Paul Hunter & Darragh Joyce re not yet safe.
They long with senior Dean Kent are yet to be offered contracts.

Aren't you also locked into longer, more expensive contracts with senior picks?

[ace]

Ace, did I hear or read somewhere that Allison got extended by 2 years?

Listening to Gallagher it seems Joyce will get a contract.

Is it better to put Wilkie on the main list now to free up a rookie spot for a NGA or KPD or Ruck? I suspect he's getting properly compensated now.

If you have a senior pick available get the best player available.
If instead you wait for the rookie draft that player may be already taken and you are forced to take a lesser rated player.

Rookies Paul Hunter & Darragh Joyce re not yet safe.
They long with senior Dean Kent are yet to be offered contracts.

Aren't you also locked into longer, more expensive contracts with senior picks?

Yes a senior contract locks you into a 2 year contract and slightly higher pay.
But we are talking a small amount compared to what top players receive.
If you can't afford the difference then your list manager needs to be executed like Ned Guy at Collingwood.
It is always better to get the best player available and show restraint with respect to the salary cap and avoid back ending contracts.

Why would you execute a rookie after only one year.
Did not turn up to training, smokes pot during meetings, snorts cocaine on video, otherwise give a kid a second year to adjust to a massive change in life.
One day a school kid, the next at a professional football club.
Much to learn have young padawans.

[Wayne42]

Maybe they should be trying to trade next years future 2nd for Collingwood's 2021 pick 27, the Pies will lose that pick on Daicos.

I haven't done the maths to see if that would burn them for this year but footy experts were saying the Pies should trade it.

If that won't work then i'm sure Gags has a cunning plan.

Pick 27 provides Collingwood with 703 points, they will need that and heaps more from later picks if Daicos is called in the top 4.
So if clubs pass on Daicos knowing that his contract with Collingwood is already agreed then Collingwood would not need pick 27.
It would be consumed in obtaining Daicos leaving them with late picks they don't want.
Far better to trade it for a future 2nd round pick and let the points for Daicos come from multiple late picks instead.

Here's the math
Collingwood has picks 27, 36, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78, 79
Those are worth points 703, 502, 331, 302, 207, 170, 0, 0
Daicos called at pick 1 Collingwood needs 2,400 points,they only have 2215 points so they need to strip 185 points from their 2022 first round pick .
Daicos called at pick 2 Collingwood needs 2,014 points, they have 1838 points from picks 27, 36, 46, 48, the remaining 176 points will come from pick 55 but the remainder of 31 points will move pick 55 back to pick 71.
Daicos called at pick 3 Collingwood needs 1,788 points, they have 1536 points from picks 27, 36, 46, the remaining 252 points will come from pick 48 but the remainder of 50 points will move pick 48 back to pick 69.
Daicos called at pick 4, Collingwood needs 1,628 points, they have 1536 points from picks 27, 36, 46, the remaining 92 points will come from pick 48 but the remainder of 210 points will move pick 48 back to pick 55.
If Daicos has not been called at pick 4 Collingwood would only need 1503 points at pick 5.
Collingwood trades away pick 27
Collingwood has then uses pick 36, 46, 48, 55, 58 worth 1,512 points so pick 58 has a remainder of 9 points so moves to pick 74.

If Darcy is called ahead of Daicos then the points on each pick used by Collingwood change.
One thing is sure, Collingwood will have done the math on every combination and know what to do at the appropriate time.
It's called due diligence.

It is worth remembering that the queue jumping for Daicos and Darcy will push pick 27 back to pick 29 worth 653 points.
So St Kilda trades 2022 2nd round for pick 27 that becomes 29.
St Kilda could use those points to match an NGA pick in the 20s (with 197 points discount)
If no NGA matching required in the 20s then St Kilda would use the pick for a non NGA player.

Once pick 40 has been announced i would hope St Kilda will be trying to trade away any picks of any points value as NGA players then only require "next available pick" to match.

Great work ace.

[Impatient Sainter]

Great stuff Ace.

Just to be clear, say Daicos is bid on by GWS at pick 2. That would mean that Collingwoods pick 27 aka 29 will have already been used to match the bid. So its no point in the Saints sitting back waiting to see how the top 20 play out, as Collingwood's pick would have already evaparated.

So if we are to trade with Collingwood it would have to be before they matched the bid or find another club willing to trade on the night? Then pray that one of the NGA's gets past pick 40, so we can exchange those later picks with clubs like Brisbane & Essendon who will need points next year. Wow Gallagher and Co are going to be walking a 'tight rope'.

The other factor is if like Nguyon, the club rates Owen for instance at # 35-40. They might be tempted not to match a bid if it came in the early 20's, instead choose to take another player with the earlier pick eg Butler, Knevitt, Judson Clark or Ned Long.

I watched all the earlier Sandringham games and I wouldn't rate Owen as high as Knightmare and others have. They have rocketed his value on the back of one trial game & perceived potential, not his entire season with Sandringham. To me he looks very much like another Acres, but time will tell I guess and if the club rate him higher I am happy with that.

[saintsRrising]

Maybe they should be trying to trade next years future 2nd for Collingwood's 2021 pick 27, the Pies will lose that pick on Daicos.

I haven't done the maths to see if that would burn them for this year but footy experts were saying the Pies should trade it.

If that won't work then i'm sure Gags has a cunning plan.

Pick 27 provides Collingwood with 703 points, they will need that and heaps more from later picks if Daicos is called in the top 4.
So if clubs pass on Daicos knowing that his contract with Collingwood is already agreed then Collingwood would not need pick 27.
It would be consumed in obtaining Daicos leaving them with late picks they don't want.
Far better to trade it for a future 2nd round pick and let the points for Daicos come from multiple late picks instead.

Here's the math
Collingwood has picks 27, 36, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78, 79
Those are worth points 703, 502, 331, 302, 207, 170, 0, 0
Daicos called at pick 1 Collingwood needs 2,400 points,they only have 2215 points so they need to strip 185 points from their 2022 first round pick .
Daicos called at pick 2 Collingwood needs 2,014 points, they have 1838 points from picks 27, 36, 46, 48, the remaining 176 points will come from pick 55 but the remainder of 31 points will move pick 55 back to pick 71.
Daicos called at pick 3 Collingwood needs 1,788 points, they have 1536 points from picks 27, 36, 46, the remaining 252 points will come from pick 48 but the remainder of 50 points will move pick 48 back to pick 69.
Daicos called at pick 4, Collingwood needs 1,628 points, they have 1536 points from picks 27, 36, 46, the remaining 92 points will come from pick 48 but the remainder of 210 points will move pick 48 back to pick 55.
If Daicos has not been called at pick 4 Collingwood would only need 1503 points at pick 5.
Collingwood trades away pick 27
Collingwood has then uses pick 36, 46, 48, 55, 58 worth 1,512 points so pick 58 has a remainder of 9 points so moves to pick 74.

If Darcy is called ahead of Daicos then the points on each pick used by Collingwood change.
One thing is sure, Collingwood will have done the math on every combination and know what to do at the appropriate time.
It's called due diligence.

It is worth remembering that the queue jumping for Daicos and Darcy will push pick 27 back to pick 29 worth 653 points.
So St Kilda trades 2022 2nd round for pick 27 that becomes 29.
St Kilda could use those points to match an NGA pick in the 20s (with 197 points discount)
If no NGA matching required in the 20s then St Kilda would use the pick for a non NGA player.

Once pick 40 has been announced i would hope St Kilda will be trying to trade away any picks of any points value as NGA players then only require "next available pick" to match.

I think the most likely scenario is that GWS will nominate Daicos then Darcy and then they will pick the player that they are really after.

North will just pick their preferred target so that they and he gain all the marketing and publicity benefits.

[CQ SAINT]

North clean out Collingwood picks and claim Horne-Francis as no.2 is a pretty good headline. I don't know why the marketing and media even matter.

[Wayne42]

In an interview with St Kilda recruiter Chris Liberatore he was asked..

What is the most important attribute you look for in a recruit and why?

Character – determines how much a player will improve and get the most out of their talents.

[Impatient Sainter]

In an interview with St Kilda recruiter Chris Liberatore he was asked..

What is the most important attribute you look for in a recruit and why?

Character – determines how much a player will improve and get the most out of their talents.

Ouch I hope he doesnt employ the same Trout rules. I think these days the kids with the most drive find a way to the succeed, where the less motivated would drop off.

[saynta]

Sinn a possible draft bargain

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/on- ... 590o3.html

"First-round draft hopeful Josh Sinn could prove a bargain pick if his interrupted season means he slides down the selection order, according to Sandringham Dragons coach Jackson Kornberg.

Sinn was widely viewed as a top-five prospect before the season started, but a series of injuries – coupled with multiple lockdowns in Victoria – prevented the fleet-footed talent from hitting his best form.
Josh Sinn in action in April during an academy training session.

Josh Sinn in action in April during an academy training session.Credit:AFL Photos

“If he were to slide a little bit because of the nature of the year, absolutely a club would be getting a bit of a steal,” Kornberg said. “On talent, I certainly believe he’s in the conversation of the guys who are being spoken about at the top end of the draft.”

Sinn, who has played at half-back, half-forward and in the midfield for the Dragons, strained his hamstring while training with the AFL’s academy squad in April. He made his NAB League return in late June, but landed awkwardly on his foot while playing in a representative match for Vic Metro only two weeks later.

“He was just priming into his game, and then he got injured again,” Kornberg said. “I still think ‘Joshy,’ at his best, he’s a very talented kid. He hasn’t shown that to the full extent this year, but he didn’t get a full run at it.”

The mid-season rise of teammate Finn Callaghan may have also compounded matters given he came to prominence while Sinn was sidelined. Callaghan amassed more than 30 touches for the Dragons in each of the two contests that followed Sinn’s hamstring strain, thereby overtaking Sinn as the most hyped player in Sandringham’s squad.

“Finn really jumped up, and Joshy wasn’t playing. Then when Joshy came back, it wasn’t his best footy from a form point of view – he showed spurts of what he can do – but he didn’t have the complete game that Finn did,” Kornberg explained.

Despite Sinn’s setbacks, Kornberg believes he is still primed for success at AFL level due to his mature mentality.

“You get some kids who sort of just coast through, and then you get kids like Josh Sinn who are constantly wanting to do extras, constantly wanting to go through vision. Physically, he’s a pretty special player but mentally, and mindset-wise, he really ticks that box as well. You don’t get a lot of players like that.”L

The biggest question about the 18-year-old might yet be where he plays his best football. He has utilised his speed to particular effect out of the back line, but the Dragons would have almost certainly trialled him on the wing if the season was not forced to an early end because of lockdown.

“Certainly the plan was to put him on the wing because of his running ability, his athleticism and his marking ability,” Kornberg said. “He plays a lot taller than what he is – he’s got quite long arms – and he’s got a good vertical jump. Unfortunately, we didn’t get to see him play there.”

[Wayne42]

Sinn a possible draft bargain

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/on- ... 590o3.html

"First-round draft hopeful Josh Sinn could prove a bargain pick if his interrupted season means he slides down the selection order, according to Sandringham Dragons coach Jackson Kornberg.

Sinn was widely viewed as a top-five prospect before the season started, but a series of injuries – coupled with multiple lockdowns in Victoria – prevented the fleet-footed talent from hitting his best form.
Josh Sinn in action in April during an academy training session.

Josh Sinn in action in April during an academy training session.Credit:AFL Photos

“If he were to slide a little bit because of the nature of the year, absolutely a club would be getting a bit of a steal,” Kornberg said. “On talent, I certainly believe he’s in the conversation of the guys who are being spoken about at the top end of the draft.”

Sinn, who has played at half-back, half-forward and in the midfield for the Dragons, strained his hamstring while training with the AFL’s academy squad in April. He made his NAB League return in late June, but landed awkwardly on his foot while playing in a representative match for Vic Metro only two weeks later.

“He was just priming into his game, and then he got injured again,” Kornberg said. “I still think ‘Joshy,’ at his best, he’s a very talented kid. He hasn’t shown that to the full extent this year, but he didn’t get a full run at it.”

The mid-season rise of teammate Finn Callaghan may have also compounded matters given he came to prominence while Sinn was sidelined. Callaghan amassed more than 30 touches for the Dragons in each of the two contests that followed Sinn’s hamstring strain, thereby overtaking Sinn as the most hyped player in Sandringham’s squad.

“Finn really jumped up, and Joshy wasn’t playing. Then when Joshy came back, it wasn’t his best footy from a form point of view – he showed spurts of what he can do – but he didn’t have the complete game that Finn did,” Kornberg explained.

Despite Sinn’s setbacks, Kornberg believes he is still primed for success at AFL level due to his mature mentality.

“You get some kids who sort of just coast through, and then you get kids like Josh Sinn who are constantly wanting to do extras, constantly wanting to go through vision. Physically, he’s a pretty special player but mentally, and mindset-wise, he really ticks that box as well. You don’t get a lot of players like that.”L

The biggest question about the 18-year-old might yet be where he plays his best football. He has utilised his speed to particular effect out of the back line, but the Dragons would have almost certainly trialled him on the wing if the season was not forced to an early end because of lockdown.

“Certainly the plan was to put him on the wing because of his running ability, his athleticism and his marking ability,” Kornberg said. “He plays a lot taller than what he is – he’s got quite long arms – and he’s got a good vertical jump. Unfortunately, we didn’t get to see him play there.”

Josh Sinn reads like he's a Half Back Flanker, that'll suit the Saints, they like their back flankers playing midfield.

[saynta]

Sinn a possible draft bargain

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/on- ... 590o3.html

"First-round draft hopeful Josh Sinn could prove a bargain pick if his interrupted season means he slides down the selection order, according to Sandringham Dragons coach Jackson Kornberg.

Sinn was widely viewed as a top-five prospect before the season started, but a series of injuries – coupled with multiple lockdowns in Victoria – prevented the fleet-footed talent from hitting his best form.
Josh Sinn in action in April during an academy training session.

Josh Sinn in action in April during an academy training session.Credit:AFL Photos




“If he were to slide a little bit because of the nature of the year, absolutely a club would be getting a bit of a steal,” Kornberg said. “On talent, I certainly believe he’s in the conversation of the guys who are being spoken about at the top end of the draft.”

Sinn, who has played at half-back, half-forward and in the midfield for the Dragons, strained his hamstring while training with the AFL’s academy squad in April. He made his NAB League return in late June, but landed awkwardly on his foot while playing in a representative match for Vic Metro only two weeks later.

“He was just priming into his game, and then he got injured again,” Kornberg said. “I still think ‘Joshy,’ at his best, he’s a very talented kid. He hasn’t shown that to the full extent this year, but he didn’t get a full run at it.”

The mid-season rise of teammate Finn Callaghan may have also compounded matters given he came to prominence while Sinn was sidelined. Callaghan amassed more than 30 touches for the Dragons in each of the two contests that followed Sinn’s hamstring strain, thereby overtaking Sinn as the most hyped player in Sandringham’s squad.

“Finn really jumped up, and Joshy wasn’t playing. Then when Joshy came back, it wasn’t his best footy from a form point of view – he showed spurts of what he can do – but he didn’t have the complete game that Finn did,” Kornberg explained.

Despite Sinn’s setbacks, Kornberg believes he is still primed for success at AFL level due to his mature mentality.

“You get some kids who sort of just coast through, and then you get kids like Josh Sinn who are constantly wanting to do extras, constantly wanting to go through vision. Physically, he’s a pretty special player but mentally, and mindset-wise, he really ticks that box as well. You don’t get a lot of players like that.”L

The biggest question about the 18-year-old might yet be where he plays his best football. He has utilised his speed to particular effect out of the back line, but the Dragons would have almost certainly trialled him on the wing if the season was not forced to an early end because of lockdown.

“Certainly the plan was to put him on the wing because of his running ability, his athleticism and his marking ability,” Kornberg said. “He plays a lot taller than what he is – he’s got quite long arms – and he’s got a good vertical jump. Unfortunately, we didn’t get to see him play there.”

Josh Sinn reads like he's a Half Back Flanker, that'll suit the Saints, they like their back flankers playing midfield.

[Impatient Sainter]

From Joffaboy on Saints BF -

So with the Pies/Tigers pick trade this morning, Pies have 7 picks & Dogs 5 picks before our 60s picks

Looks likely after the first 4 players are selected in the draft, our picks 62,65,67,85 (282 points) will slide down a whopping 12 spots to 50,53,55,73 (722 points)

Well played James Gallagher

[CQ SAINT]

From Joffaboy on Saints BF -

So with the Pies/Tigers pick trade this morning, Pies have 7 picks & Dogs 5 picks before our 60s picks

Looks likely after the first 4 players are selected in the draft, our picks 62,65,67,85 (282 points) will slide down a whopping 12 spots to 50,53,55,73 (722 points)

Well played James Gallagher

Now we just need to hope someone nominates them early enough to get it done.

[Sainter_Dad]

From Joffaboy on Saints BF -

So with the Pies/Tigers pick trade this morning, Pies have 7 picks & Dogs 5 picks before our 60s picks

Looks likely after the first 4 players are selected in the draft, our picks 62,65,67,85 (282 points) will slide down a whopping 12 spots to 50,53,55,73 (722 points)

Well played James Gallagher

LOL - Not really - they come back in 12 (if all picks are used, which I don't think the Pies have to - I think they can keep 1) but slip out 2 for the inserted picks.

So (if it goes our way - assuming Daicos and Darcy get nominated 1 and 2)
9, 49 and 67 were traded for 9, 62, 66 and 67.

Ignoring 9 - which becomes 11

49 and 67 would become 42 and 58 if we had not traded - so would have been worth 565 points

After trades
62, 66 and 67 become 54, 57 and 58 or 585 points

So we are better off by 20 points not 440 as Joffaboy has not considered the movement of the picks we had.
At this point we are only better off if the NGA boys get to a point where we can take them with just our next picks - not sure if that is a thing anymore.

Additionally we have next years pick to possibly trade back in on the night.

Workings [for the Nerds - lol]

Pick	Value	Pre Trade	Post Trade	Daicos Pre Trade	Daicos Post Trade	Darcy Pre Trade	Darcy Post Trade
1	3000
2	2517
3	2234
4	2034
5	1878
6	1751
7	1644
8	1551
9	1469
10	1395
11	1329
12	1268
13	1212
14	1161
15	1112
16	1067
17	1025
18	985
19	948
20	912
21	878
22	845
23	815
24	785
25	756
26	729
27	703
28	677
29	653
30	629
31	606
32	584
33	563
34	542
35	522
36	502
37	483
38	465
39	446
40	429
41	412
42	395					395
43	378
44	362
45	347			347
46	331
47	316
48	302
49	287	287
50	273
51	259
52	246
53	233						233
54	220
55	207
56	194				194
57	182						182
58	170					170	170
59	158
60	146				146
61	135			135	135
62	123		123
63	112
64	101
65	90
66	80		80
67	69	69	69
68	59
69	49
70	39
71	29
72	19
73	9

[Impatient Sainter]

Thanks Sainter_Dad its all too much for me.

Has anyone heard any news on Hunter & Kent? Im interested to hear if the club have found another ruckman somewhere?

[Sainter_Dad]

Thanks Sainter_Dad its all too much for me.

Has anyone heard any news on Hunter & Kent? Im interested to hear if the club have found another ruckman somewhere?

It is a case of add one for the 'New" Pick and take away as many picks as they need to meet the requirements - if the matched pick called later than 1 and 2 then less picks are needed to match and therefore we move up the ladder less.

Best Case is Daicos @ 1 and Darcy @ 2 - but I think North want hyphen and the marketing of having the #1 pick is a large call too - If Collingwood match they get the mantle of #1 - perhaps it would be better to pass that off - it is a real head scratcher as to what will happen.

[Wayne42]

DELISTED free agents will have two windows and a total of 12 days to move this season ahead of the NAB AFL Draft if they can secure a contract from a new club.

The first delisted free agency period runs for seven days, from November 3 to November 9.

After a list lodgement day on November 10, the second window for delisted free agents will run for five days, from November 11 to November 15.

Players who have been delisted by their clubs have the freedom to join any rival that offers them a contract during these two periods, avoiding the need to enter the NAB AFL Draft.