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satchmo wrote:
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Milton66 wrote: Actually, the monster has a grudging respect for the rodent, for he writes cryptically clever.
Respect is contagious. Even grudging respect! :D
Without flinching or taking a backward step, the rat has earnt his respect.

Ego is not a dirty word for him either.

The monster has thrown some of his best words, yet the rat is still standing.

Respect. :lol:
Ah, feel the love!..now let's unite and destroy the common enemy,
GT!...errh, sorry...the Dogs! :lol:
To be honest, I've never diverted from being united with fellow supporters.

This year has been huge, and the final epitath (?) is yet to be written. The feeble minds accusing the op of GT bashing should, well re read the op. I think P66 was the only one to actually answer my question.

The rest seemed to have quickly gptten out of control like a ciggy butt in a dry forest.


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i'm into being united with fellow supporters as well

good call for us all





undignified 'herd' behaviour amongst those with choice is my pet hate ..... dysfunctionality , magnified by a group lust that undermines the stability of its own social / political system

the prime directive , imo , is being inclusiveness orientated

some of the herd behaviour in this thread has been embarrassingly exclusive to those of our own ilk

i ran out of patience



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where did i say i was bored in this thread :) ... mr fox is right ....most don't or won't read what is actually written

my empathy meter on ironicness struggled under , ironically , too much ironicness

nothing personal

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Milton66 wrote:The feeble minds accusing the op of GT bashing should, well re read the op.
You're not suggesting that people don't actually read what is written are you Wayne??


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Milton66 wrote:The feeble minds accusing the op of GT bashing should, well re read the op.
You're not suggesting that people don't actually read what is written are you Wayne??
Aaah good morning RodgerStool. Back online at your 9-5 job are you? Does your boss know that you spend working hours trolling the forum?

And how was your weekend?

Anything exciting happen? Did you catch a few butterflies, and cut off their wings for kicks? :lol:


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gazrat wrote:i'm into being united with fellow supporters as well

good call for us all





undignified 'herd' behaviour amongst those with choice is my pet hate ..... dysfunctionality , magnified by a group lust that undermines the stability of its own social / political system

the prime directive , imo , is being inclusiveness orientated

some of the herd behaviour in this thread has been embarrassingly exclusive to those of our own ilk

i ran out of patience



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where did i say i was bored in this thread :) ... mr fox is right ....most don't or won't read what is actually written

my empathy meter on ironicness struggled under , ironically , too much ironicness

nothing personal

go saints
agree. but the herd behaviour is a fascinating beast to observe at times... even if we all know what the ending will be.


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thats the worry

in my experience it always ends in WOOSH or BANG then tears and plans for payback


very human , unfortunately


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Aaah good morning RodgerStool. Back online at your 9-5 job are you? Does your boss know that you spend working hours trolling the forum?

And how was your weekend?

Anything exciting happen? Did you catch a few butterflies, and cut off their wings for kicks? :lol:
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Because I can, and because Milton66 keeps asking us to look at it, I'm going to repeat the OP in full.
Interesting comment by the former on Footy Crappified tonite...

He was wondering how a team who is 5 goals up at 3/4 time, capitulate in such a manner and lose a finals game. And what mindset the coach had instilled in the players.

I'd like to ask him the question re 2005 prelim.
What this seems to be suggesting is that GT was a hypocrite to criticise Ratten for Carlton's pathetic capitulation against the Lions (which was undoubtedly partly the result the coach believing the game was already won and taking off some of his key players too early).

Apparently GT was a hypocrite because he coached us to a losing PF in 2005 in which we capitulated in the last quarter after being 5 goals ahead.

So I decided to get out the tape of the 2005 PF and watch it again (with a few stiff drinks: it's grim stuff). I watched carefully

During the first half, I noticed that we were mostly behind on the scoreboard and missed a lot of kicks for goal.

I also noticed that we were missing Kosi, Hamill and Sam Fisher - had the likes of Guerra and Fiora playing (presumably because we had few other options) - and that Dal and Riewoldt didn't look at all right.

In the third quarter, we fought hard and got our noses in front, so that we were 7 points ahead at 3/4 time.

I watched very carefully, but couldn't see the bit where we were 5 goals ahead: perhaps I had the wrong tape. Milton66: do you have a tape of the 2005 PF in which we were 5 goals ahead at some point? If so, can you please lend it to me, because I might then really understand at last what a terrible coach GT actually was!!

We ran out in the fourth quarter looking like we were out on our feet. Nevertheless, we did have a few chances early in the quarter and, if we had potted a couple of them, we might have put some doubt in the Swans's collective minds. But we didn't and it got really ugly, with O'Keeffe and Schneider putting us to the sword with their accurate kicking: they didn't seem to be able to miss.

I watched really carefully, but just couldn't find the bit where we seemed to stop trying or where any of our players showed the least hint of a bad attitude. Of course, there was Goose's bad attitude - noted by Walls - when he collapsed to the ground when Hall hit him rather than run back into position right away. Pathetic: almost as hopeless as the way that wimp Staker behaved later on when Hall hit him on the jaw. I'd really like one day to have Robert Walls stand still and let Hall give him the full treatment and then see if he could immediately run 100 metres across a footy ground. But I digress.....

So, I've gone back and reread the OP. I've checked it against reality (or, at least, my tape of the 2005 PF: as I've said, if someone can send me a different one in which we built up a huge lead and then capitulated, I'm happy to stand corrected).

So what is my conclusion? The OP is a load of total steaming c@#p posted by one of the most obsessive GT-haters on this forum.

Somebody please explain to me how I've gotten it wrong? I'm a very open minded person, and will be happy to admit I'm in error if someone can point it out to me.


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Interesting comment by the former on Footy Crappified tonite...

He was wondering how a team who is 5 goals up at 3/4 time, capitulate in such a manner and lose a finals game. And what mindset the coach had instilled in the players.

I'd like to ask him the question re 2005 prelim.


Ok, so please tell me wher I have bagged GT?

Where did I state we were 5 goals up?? The 5 goals up comment is what GT was talking about, not me.

7 goals against is a capitulation in anyone's language (perhaps not yours).

So what is my conclusion? The OP is a load of total steaming c@#p posted by one of the most obsessive GT-haters on this forum.

All I can say is that if you seriously went and watched the replay because you suffer sleepless nights being tormented by internet fools such as myself who dare to speak out against the messiah, then, my friend, you seriously have some issues to deal with IMO.

Your incessant ramblings and feeble attempts to either deal my ego a savage blow, or to try and embarrass me have been a miserable failure. I can do that on my own, and according to some, I do it fairly well at times. :lol:

You are but one of the few blinded people who need to maintain the rage and defend GT to the death. Too funny. All you do is stoke the fire by railing against those whom you accuse of stoking the fire.

Was GT a hypocrite? IMO yes, because he lied about his appointment. No respect from day 1 AFAIAC.

Was GT a hypocrite for his comments? See above.

Did he do a good job as coach? I'd rate him a 7/10 for his tenure. Some issues were beyond his control, as they are for all coaches, and others were are result of him being (as you call him) a pompous git.

Some people look at the finals results as a be all and end all argument to justify their beliefs... others look at other issues to justify theirs. Personally, I look at other issues as well as the win/loss record.

Also, I did not start comparing him to RL or question his coaching record. So I'm not sure what all your blabbering is about. So you take a disliking to my posts? woo-farking-hoo.

Um, and what is my conclusion? Your reply is a load of total steaming c@#p posted by one of the most obsessive GT-lovers on this forum who simply cannot get over the fact that his coach was sacked, and suffers with the mixed emotins he feels because part of ihim wants to enjoy this year... but those little voices in his head still tell him "GT would have done a better job because he was the greatest coach to ever coach the Saints and should never have been sacked". :lol:

We have moved on somewhat. If your answer is YES, GT is qualified to make the remark, then I'll accept it, as you are entitled to it.

Otherwise, thanks for the compliment. :wink:

But then again, I wasn't the one calling for RL to be sacked, was I? :roll: :roll:

No doubt, the doors to your club shall be swung wide open should we, heaven forbib, not make the GF... let alone lose it. :lol:


EDITED: Just re read the first page...

I note:

- you jumped in and talked about people counting their chickens. Yet no-one said that we are a sho-in to win the PF let alone the GF.

- you also commented that it's wrong to compare the 2 games... well I have the right to discuss my thoughts.

That you judge GT's succes purely in terms of having coahed to 2 failed prelims (yes, Ross has once, but that's not what this thread was about) just shows what a simpleton you are and that you have no understanding of footy whatsoever. Or perhaps I'm wrong and you do have a clue.. pity your blind loyalty to all things GT doesn't allow this to shine through.

Anyway, Go Saints!
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SENsaintsational wrote:Meher Baba 1
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Milton wrote...

Your incessant ramblings and feeble attempts to either deal my ego a savage blow, or to try and embarrass me have been a miserable failure. I can do that on my own, and according to some, I do it fairly well at times.


I guess that's the difference between him and me. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Milton66 wrote:Interesting comment by the former on Footy Crappified tonite...

He was wondering how a team who is 5 goals up at 3/4 time, capitulate in such a manner and lose a finals game. And what mindset the coach had instilled in the players.

I'd like to ask him the question re 2005 prelim.


Ok, so please tell me wher I have bagged GT?

Where did I state we were 5 goals up?? The 5 goals up comment is what GT was talking about, not me.

7 goals against is a capitulation in anyone's language (perhaps not yours).

So what is my conclusion? The OP is a load of total steaming c@#p posted by one of the most obsessive GT-haters on this forum.

All I can say is that if you seriously went and watched the replay because you suffer sleepless nights being tormented by internet fools such as myself who dare to speak out against the messiah, then, my friend, you seriously have some issues to deal with IMO.

Your incessant ramblings and feeble attempts to either deal my ego a savage blow, or to try and embarrass me have been a miserable failure. I can do that on my own, and according to some, I do it fairly well at times. :lol:

You are but one of the few blinded people who need to maintain the rage and defend GT to the death. Too funny. All you do is stoke the fire by railing against those whom you accuse of stoking the fire.

Was GT a hypocrite? IMO yes, because he lied about his appointment. No respect from day 1 AFAIAC.

Was GT a hypocrite for his comments? See above.

Did he do a good job as coach? I'd rate him a 7/10 for his tenure. Some issues were beyond his control, as they are for all coaches, and others were are result of him being (as you call him) a pompous git.

Some people look at the finals results as a be all and end all argument to justify their beliefs... others look at other issues to justify theirs. Personally, I look at other issues as well as the win/loss record.

Also, I did not start comparing him to RL or question his coaching record. So I'm not sure what all your blabbering is about. So you take a disliking to my posts? woo-farking-hoo.

Um, and what is my conclusion? Your reply is a load of total steaming c@#p posted by one of the most obsessive GT-lovers on this forum who simply cannot get over the fact that his coach was sacked, and suffers with the mixed emotins he feels because part of ihim wants to enjoy this year... but those little voices in his head still tell him "GT would have done a better job because he was the greatest coach to ever coach the Saints and should never have been sacked". :lol:

We have moved on somewhat. If your answer is YES, GT is qualified to make the remark, then I'll accept it, as you are entitled to it.

Otherwise, thanks for the compliment. :wink:

But then again, I wasn't the one calling for RL to be sacked, was I? :roll: :roll:

No doubt, the doors to your club shall be swung wide open should we, heaven forbib, not make the GF... let alone lose it. :lol:
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rodgerfox wrote:
Milton66 wrote:Interesting comment by the former on Footy Crappified tonite...

He was wondering how a team who is 5 goals up at 3/4 time, capitulate in such a manner and lose a finals game. And what mindset the coach had instilled in the players.

I'd like to ask him the question re 2005 prelim.


Ok, so please tell me wher I have bagged GT?

Where did I state we were 5 goals up?? The 5 goals up comment is what GT was talking about, not me.

7 goals against is a capitulation in anyone's language (perhaps not yours).

So what is my conclusion? The OP is a load of total steaming c@#p posted by one of the most obsessive GT-haters on this forum.

All I can say is that if you seriously went and watched the replay because you suffer sleepless nights being tormented by internet fools such as myself who dare to speak out against the messiah, then, my friend, you seriously have some issues to deal with IMO.

Your incessant ramblings and feeble attempts to either deal my ego a savage blow, or to try and embarrass me have been a miserable failure. I can do that on my own, and according to some, I do it fairly well at times. :lol:

You are but one of the few blinded people who need to maintain the rage and defend GT to the death. Too funny. All you do is stoke the fire by railing against those whom you accuse of stoking the fire.

Was GT a hypocrite? IMO yes, because he lied about his appointment. No respect from day 1 AFAIAC.

Was GT a hypocrite for his comments? See above.

Did he do a good job as coach? I'd rate him a 7/10 for his tenure. Some issues were beyond his control, as they are for all coaches, and others were are result of him being (as you call him) a pompous git.

Some people look at the finals results as a be all and end all argument to justify their beliefs... others look at other issues to justify theirs. Personally, I look at other issues as well as the win/loss record.

Also, I did not start comparing him to RL or question his coaching record. So I'm not sure what all your blabbering is about. So you take a disliking to my posts? woo-farking-hoo.

Um, and what is my conclusion? Your reply is a load of total steaming c@#p posted by one of the most obsessive GT-lovers on this forum who simply cannot get over the fact that his coach was sacked, and suffers with the mixed emotins he feels because part of ihim wants to enjoy this year... but those little voices in his head still tell him "GT would have done a better job because he was the greatest coach to ever coach the Saints and should never have been sacked". :lol:

We have moved on somewhat. If your answer is YES, GT is qualified to make the remark, then I'll accept it, as you are entitled to it.

Otherwise, thanks for the compliment. :wink:

But then again, I wasn't the one calling for RL to be sacked, was I? :roll: :roll:

No doubt, the doors to your club shall be swung wide open should we, heaven forbib, not make the GF... let alone lose it. :lol:
Poor Wayne.
Right on cue, MB's #1 ticket holder comes to the fore. :lol: :lol:

who is this Wayne you keep refering to me as? Obviously you do not read posts do you? It has been stated numerous time by mods that your nemesis was not banned.

At least I can take the pyss out of myself Violent Stool. Have a great day. :lol:


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At least I can take the pyss out of myself Violent Stool. Have a great day. :lol:
Well you are a very, very easy target.


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im quite amazed myself
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I love GT.


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matrixcutter wrote:im quite amazed myself
15 pages
8-)
Incredible pile of steaming manure after about pg 2.


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plugger66 wrote:I love GT.
He was grouse but RL is better.

Prove otherwise, but remember if you manage to i will then call you a liar.


Lance or James??

There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
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joffaboy wrote:
matrixcutter wrote:im quite amazed myself
15 pages
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Incredible pile of steaming manure after about pg 2.
no it was that from the start of page 1 imhfo that is.... :twisted:


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joffaboy wrote:
plugger66 wrote:I love GT.
He was grouse but RL is better.

Prove otherwise, but remember if you manage to i will then call you a liar.
At the moment they are level but in 4 days RL will be better I hope and pray and a week after that he will be hopefully the equal of any coach we have had in our sad 112 year history but i still love GT.


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joffaboy wrote:
matrixcutter wrote:im quite amazed myself
15 pages
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Incredible pile of steaming manure after about pg 2.
Ahem, I think it was you that fed the compost bin around the 4th or fith post when you replied and began blaming GT. :lol:


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At least I can take the pyss out of myself Violent Stool. Have a great day. :lol:
Well you are a very, very easy target.
lol. that's exactly what I was thinking about you. Somehow you feel the need to get on my posts and try and either outsmart me or put me in my place.

Funny about that.

So who's the real target? :lol: And how easy are you? :lol:


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matrixcutter wrote:im quite amazed myself
15 pages
8-)
yes, and guess what??? It's the same clowns who keep saying what a pile of cr@p the thread is that keep commenting and bumping the thread.

People reckon it's cr@p, but they keep coming back to read more and more.

A bit like Big Brother: We know it's crap, but we keep tuning in, hoping to cath the odd nipple exposure.

And the beat goes on...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Hi Milton

Interesting rant you posted this morning.

As I have told you in our PM exchanges, I like a good bit of argy bargy in a web forum, and am not the least bit thin-skinned. So carry on the good work.
All I can say is that if you seriously went and watched the replay because you suffer sleepless nights being tormented by internet fools such as myself who dare to speak out against the messiah, then, my friend, you seriously have some issues to deal with IMO.
My only problem is that I have a strong memory of GT being a pretty good coach and of the team playing extremely well under his coaching for most of 2004-06.

When I occasionally watch replays from that era, I see us playing a great brand of football which most opposing teams had enormous trouble combatting: in other words, a bit like the situation now (albeit, a somewhat different brand of football: although the difference in the styles of the two coaches is greatly overrated by many on here. I reckon our 2009 style is far more like our style from 2004-06 than either is like what we played in 2007-08. And I've been watching replays.)

I also remember that the real reason for GT's sacking was not poor performance but because Butterss wasn't professional enough to be able to deal with their personal falling out and, helped by other unprofessional people like Archie "Macbeth" Fraser, Butterss persuaded the Board to sack GT. When the members got a chance to express their view on the matter, they sacked Butterss and many of his fellow board members. (And, in a delightfully ironic touch, Mr Fraser was again a major architect in Butterss's downfall.)

Then I come on here and read endless rants about GT being the worst coach in history, destroyed our club, etc, etc.

When I read this stuff, I decide to jump in and defend the truth as I believe it to be.

Not because I think that GT is or was the "Messiah". I don't. I reckon Lyon, for one, is a better coach as are - among current or recent coaches - Sheedy, Matthews, Malthouse, Williams, Clarkson and - probably - Bomber Thompson (I don't think there's a heap in it between GT and Bomber). I don't rate most of the rest as highly, and I don't really see how anyone seriously can (take Craig, for instance: his performance on Saturday night was woeful IMO. I am sure that GT would have done better in the coach's box, especially after half time).

So there you have it IMO with GT: not the best coach going around, but better than average. Probably won't ever get another coaching gig, because he has made too many enemies around the place. Even his role as a media commentator is in doubt (especially after his comments on tanking today). GT is pompous and feckless, and has brought much of this trouble on himself. But that doesn't mean he was a bad coach.

If I'm obsessed with GT, then I ask why it is that - of the dozens of threads started about GT on here over the past couple of years - I haven't started a single one?

How many have you started, M66? There's this one, for starters.


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