Fev Up for Trade - Nominates Saints

[saint75]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 5781350070

Article suggests we may offer ball and a pick for him.

Nope, Ball won't be going anywhere. That is just media trying to whip up some hype around the story. The story has changed half hourly since the news broke.

[Milton66]

Anyway, my tip is that Fevola will remain with Carlton.

Potential an unworkable situation.

very true,
if a deal did come, i can see him in sydney colours.

Roos saying not interested.

If CArlton want him out badly enough, and I reckon Judd will, then they'll cut a deal just to get rid of him. Including copping part of his contract.

Think they had enough headaches with their last full forward......

There is a VERY good chance he is going to be a Saint methinks, it is just what they will want in return......not prepared to give up Ball or Kosi. They can have Goose (sorry Goose!) and our first or second round pick.

One thing about Sydney... when you think about it, they got Hall 7 years ago and Lockett also who were both mid 20's.

Everitt and Ball were ruckman and only there to suit their stoppage game style.

So it doesn't make sense that they would now go for an older player, given that their list is ageing anyway.

Suspect that Fev will likely end up with a team that fancies it's chance at a tilt in the next few years.

[Enrico_Misso]

As long as it is not us.
Fev is a bogan piece of scum like Cousins.

But
I hope whoever it is pays him a modest $200k so The Carlton Scum are still forking out $500k a year as part of their cap.

[S.A Saint]

can already see the headline....

Fev leaves his blues behind to become a saint

[vacuous space]

As much as Fev might like to come here, I can't see it happening. I doubt there's a Fev-sized hole in our salary cap. Carlton would probably prefer picks and young players. I'm not sure it would be a particularly wise move by us. I'd rather stick with what we've got.

[saintsRrising]

Fev is a bit like a big kid....and I could see him dropping his package substantially in order to play with a team that he has mates at (and he does) and for whom he has long had a bond.

I don't think $$$$ alone will drive his decision.


However the Blues will want a good deal...best we could do would be say pick 17 + Goose (if he wants to be traded)...and that would not likely be enough.

[saint75]

Fev is a bit like a big kid....and I could see him dropping his package substantially in order to play with a team that he has mates at (and he does) and for whom he has long had a bond.

I don't think $$$$ alone will drive his decision.


However the Blues will want a good deal...best we could do would be say pick 17 + Goose (if he wants to be traded)...and that would not likely be enough.

Depends on how serious they are about him leaving. I think both the sponsors and the captain have had enough. Good thing is, we don't have long to wait to find out how it will turn out.

[S.A Saint]

Fev is a bit like a big kid....and I could see him dropping his package substantially in order to play with a team that he has mates at (and he does) and for whom he has long had a bond.

I don't think $$$$ alone will drive his decision.


However the Blues will want a good deal...best we could do would be say pick 17 + Goose (if he wants to be traded)...and that would not likely be enough.

Yep thats what i was thinking off as well....im sure the blues will want to offload him pretty quickly with the amount of money they will need to pay for him if he stays...i wouldn't give up our first rounder however....goose and 2nd yes not not our first....

[BaysideSaint]

can already see the headline....

Fev leaves his blues behind to become a saint

that's actually quite good

[SydneySainter]

I think we might be jumping the gun a bit.

Since Chappy became the Cats match-breaker last Saturday, the majority of Sainters believe the forward line is our weakest link and in dire need of that zippy, tough nugget small or a medium-sized third option. If that being the case, Fev is not our answer. He'd be a great third tall, but I thought these days having a third tall are considered too top-heavy and an O'Keefe or Murphy-sized player was a more suitable option.

My biggest criticism of Fev is that apart from sitting in the goal square and kicking goals, there isn't really much else he can do. He's a one-dimensional player. As a replacement for Kosi, there is no argument we would get many more goals out of Fev, but the versatile pack marking in both the forward and backline and the overall around-the-ground work would be sorely missed, unless Kosi gets a more of run as a permanent ruck, which I don't think is his greatest strength. Replace Kosi all together? A definite NO! I know for every great game Kosi plays, it's often followed by an average one, but Fev is no different. I know Kosi's lack of scoreboard pressure killed us in the later part of the season, but after his hand injury, I'll cut him some slack. We kept asking why he wasn't taking the glove off for set-shots, but looking closely, it was taped to his wrist, maybe the hand injury was worse than we believed?

Whatever decision the club makes, I'll support, but I just can't see it happening.

[marksnsparks]

RL doesn't seem to like high risk players (e.g. Cuz) and he is consistant in applying his principles, so I reckon:

Computer says Nooooo....

[saintsRrising]

RL doesn't seem to like high risk players (e.g. Cuz) and he is consistant in applying his principles, so I reckon:

....

I think it was Westaway and the Board that said no to Cuz...

I think Lyon was keen.

[saintsRrising]

I think we might be jumping the gun a bit.

Since Chappy became the Cats match-breaker last Saturday, the majority of Sainters believe the forward line is our weakest link and in dire need of that zippy, tough nugget small or a medium-sized third option. .

We dont need another zippy player.

We need a third (mobile) forward. Now Fev is bigger than medium..but when motivated he is mobile and athletic enough. He is not exactly what we need (ie ROK, or Rooke)...but Fev can play and can be integrated intoa very good forward structure.

Kosi could float between forward line and second ruck...(bad news for King).

As to Chappy...Schneids could have had more goals..and Milne a couple.

Also it is not since the GF..we have been seeking the extra marking forward for a while....Charlie, Gwilt, Dempster all having been tried.

[saintsRrising]

Fev is a bit like a big kid....and I could see him dropping his package substantially in order to play with a team that he has mates at (and he does) and for whom he has long had a bond.

I don't think $$$$ alone will drive his decision.


However the Blues will want a good deal...best we could do would be say pick 17 + Goose (if he wants to be traded)...and that would not likely be enough.

Depends on how serious they are about him leaving. I think both the sponsors and the captain have had enough. Good thing is, we don't have long to wait to find out how it will turn out.

Unfortunately it also depends what others such as the Pies or Dogs put on the table in terms of players and picks.

[Sam23]

I think we might be jumping the gun a bit.

Since Chappy became the Cats match-breaker last Saturday, the majority of Sainters believe the forward line is our weakest link and in dire need of that zippy, tough nugget small or a medium-sized third option. If that being the case, Fev is not our answer. He'd be a great third tall, but I thought these days having a third tall are considered too top-heavy and an O'Keefe or Murphy-sized player was a more suitable option.

My biggest criticism of Fev is that apart from sitting in the goal square and kicking goals, there isn't really much else he can do. He's a one-dimensional player. As a replacement for Kosi, there is no argument we would get many more goals out of Fev, but the versatile pack marking in both the forward and backline and the overall around-the-ground work would be sorely missed, unless Kosi gets a more of run as a permanent ruck, which I don't think is his greatest strength. Replace Kosi all together? A definite NO! I know for every great game Kosi plays, it's often followed by an average one, but Fev is no different. I know Kosi's lack of scoreboard pressure killed us in the later part of the season, but after his hand injury, I'll cut him some slack. We kept asking why he wasn't taking the glove off for set-shots, but looking closely, it was taped to his wrist, maybe the hand injury was worse than we believed?

Whatever decision the club makes, I'll support, but I just can't see it happening.

Got a few bones to pick here.

First off Fev kicked 90 goals this year in the same position in a 10 game better win loss record Kosi kicked just under 50?

Fevola is a much better player than Koschitzke and to call Fevola one dimensional is pretty humorous when we have Koschitzke in our goalsquare who is also pretty one dimensional.

Don't look at this post and think I don't like Koschitzke as a player, I think his fine, his a GOP maybe a bit above GOP, but in comparison to Fev his not very good.

btw Tackle stats this year

Koschitzke 30
Riewoldt 51
Fevola 50

Fevola can take us to the next step of domination. I know we should've won on the weekend but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep improving does it?

Make it happen. If it means losing Kosi, so be it.

[groupie1]

no reason not to pursue him:

he won't cost STK what he's earning, coz Carlton will need to pay a chunk of it (he's mature-aged for Carlton from 2011, so he costs them less in terms of salary cap, hence the big figure). that happens all the time - former clubs continue paying part salaries

- great kick for goal

- attachment to St Kilda

- proven matchwinner

- STK perfect fit for him, in terms of 'able to straighten out'

- BIG FARKING DEAL what he did. Everyone does it, Media beat-up. He's not the only footballer that acts like a d**khead, he's just the only footballer that acts like a d**khead and sells newspapers while he does it.

- has proven himself injury-resilient

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

NO way. Kosi is more flexible can ruck or play forward, is a team player, is of good character and loyal ( taken less money to stay).

Fev is older, selfish, canonly play FF and a d**khead when he drinks.

As much as i trust RL and MD i believe it will be the beginning of the end if this was to happen.

we have enough ruckmen.

we can use the services of the best fullforward - Fev's been kicking nearly 100 goals every year and that's Fev 99.999% of the time.

At least the other 0.001% of the time when he's being silly, he doesn't go around punching people out like Hall does.

Exactly, although if we did get Fev, Kosi might spend a bit more time in the ruck. It might push King into retirement, which may not be a bad thing, as he has almost no impact except in ruck contests, while many other sides now have mobile guys in the ruck, getting 15-20 possies a game. Gardi and Big Mac in the ruck, with Kosi as back up (and in the pocket, next to Fev the rest of the time) sounds a bit of all right!

It's probably been said, (I got to page 4 of this thread, but don't have time to read the next 8) but it was announced on the 8pm news that Ross said he was "open to the idea of getting Fev, but that it would be difficult to get it done" or words to that effect. I'm glad to hear it, because he would hopefully add enormously to our forward line and take a huge load off Rooey's shoulders.
I think he's a decent enough bloke, when he isn't drinking (anyway, we'd be getting him here to play footy, not be our new BBF), and many of our guys know him well, so they'd be able to tell Ross exactly what he's like.
Obviously the drinking is a genuine problem, but I believe he's genuinely remorseful and that it's been great for him to actually see footage of how he behaved the other night (where, as stated above, he gets pretty silly and boorish, but at least he's not punching someone out, taking drugs and fleeing his car and swimming across a river to escape a booze bus, or kicking a taxi driver), so we needn't hang him from the gallows just for that. Lets not forget, we live in a "booze culture", where most between the age of about 16 and mid-late 20's are apparently binge drinking pretty much every weekend and probably getting up to far worse than Fev.
I think he'll get help for his drinking, as a result of seeing the footage and that he'll be on his best behavior for a fair while, especially if he comes to us, who he seems to really like. He's probably had a strained relationship at the Blues for a fair while, so it could do him the world of good to get out of there and into a place he actually wanted to be (which is St Kilda). We may not have even seen the best of him yet. Gary Ablett kicked his biggest bags of goals in a year after he reached 30, from memory, and Fev may also peak now, as he doesn't seem to have had many injuries along the way.
He's probably gotten away with a fair bit at Carlton because he's seemingly been there forever, but I reckon he'd be cool at a new club, at least for a fair while. He's not likely to walk into a strong club, with strong leadership and stuff-up any time soon. It's worth remembering Hall left us after similar issues and he didn't start stuffing up again for years, getting Sydney to 2 grand finals (for a PREMIERSHIP) in the meantime, and captaining their club. Would any of us really give a s*** if Fev helped us win a flag or two, but then did some silly stuff in a few years? I doubt it!
Having said that, we could get him to commit to not drinking at club functions (or "Mad Mondays") and to perhaps agree to go into some kind of rehab. If he was prepared to do that and we were able to fit him into our salary cap and the trade was worthwhile, he'd probably help us win the flag next year and maybe the year after that. We might also start kicking some decent scores again, which would ROCK. Lets do it!

[groupie1]

In terms of how Fev fits into the team, I think that's obvious. Either we bulk up with three big forwards to stretch opposing defenses - giving us clear licence to bomb it forward if we can't structure it forward

OR

S King has to go, and we use Kozi, McEvoy and Gardiner in the ruck - giving us much more flexibility and pace around the ground

OR

Kozi slots back into the backline - and yes I know pace becomes a problem.

In terms of how to trade to get Fev..... tougher.

Obviously, Goose would be an asset for Carlton, as would Leigh Fisher - adds some nice depth to a poor defense. What about Farren Ray? Has pace, good skills, and we can easily replace him with Steven, Geary.
And what about Armitage? He's young, and is the hard midfielder they are looking for to help out Judd, and personally, I think we stick with L Ball - we cannot fit Ball and Armitage into the same team, in my view.
Another idea is to trade Zac Dawson and play Kozi FB, although it is not preferable to do this.

So there you have it -

We get Fev
Carlton get some combination of L Fisher, Goose, Armitage, Ray.
We lose King from our lost and keep our draft picks and hope for the best with them.

the only obstacle remains money.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

In terms of how Fev fits into the team, I think that's obvious. Either we bulk up with three big forwards to stretch opposing defenses - giving us clear licence to bomb it forward if we can't structure it forward

In terms of how to trade to get Fev..... tougher.

Obviously, Goose would be an asset for Carlton, as would Leigh Fisher - adds some nice depth to a poor defense.
And what about Armitage? He's young, and is the hard midfielder they are looking for to help out Judd
Another idea is to trade Zac Dawson and play Kozi FB, although it is not preferable to do this.

Firstly, I'd say the set-up would be like it was when we had the G-Train steaming out of FF. Fev would be leading out of the goalsquare, with Kosi in the pocket to take the pack marks and Rooey would go back to CHF, to do the leading up to the wings he's already doing most weeks now. Or else he could start on the wing, to run up and down the ground like a maniac, Richo style, taking 18 marks a game and wandering into the forward line when it goes in there slowly, to take a big hanger (like Gardi at the end of the Geelong game in round 14).
Secondly, I very much doubt anyone would want Leigh Fisher and they just agreed to get Brock McLean, so I highly doubt they'd want Armitage. Lastly, there's no way we'd want to play Kosi at full back.

[groupie1]

Anything possible, great response. I know you disagree with my points, but i appreciate reading thoughtful insights.

Yes, Armitage is similar to McClean. I'm not sure that rules Armitage out entirely for them though.

As for Leigh Fisher, he';s a good user of the ball, a composed defensive half player, who's proven himself capable and competent, and also can go and tag in the midfield. Just lacks pace. i think he would suit Carlton.

Goose and Ray you obvisouly don't disagree with.

As for Kozi/Fev/Roo forward, I guess you're thinking back to the G/Roo/Hamill era or Kozi/Roo/G era - the latter being not very successful.

I prefer the King out, Kozi rucking idea simply because we are starting to look slow in the ruck dept. Without King, McEvoy is exposed if Gardiner gets injured. Which is why I like Kozi as that off-the-bench ruck, and then resting forward pocket.

Roo up on the wing - sure, in patches.

And you're right - Kozi in defense may not work well. But have we actually seen him do anything wrong in defense. Would it not be worthy of trying in NAB cup?

[eppo67]

This senario also could have have Kosi at CHB.
Just imaging Fisher and Gilbert fully realeased off Half Back.
Or Roo to Wing upper HF as Richo has done at Tigers.

[SainterK]

no reason not to pursue him:

he won't cost STK what he's earning, coz Carlton will need to pay a chunk of it (he's mature-aged for Carlton from 2011, so he costs them less in terms of salary cap, hence the big figure). that happens all the time - former clubs continue paying part salaries

- great kick for goal

- attachment to St Kilda

- proven matchwinner

- STK perfect fit for him, in terms of 'able to straighten out'

- BIG FARKING DEAL what he did. Everyone does it, Media beat-up. He's not the only footballer that acts like a d**khead, he's just the only footballer that acts like a d**khead and sells newspapers while he does it.

- has proven himself injury-resilient

Do we know what he did though?

[BaysideSaint]

no reason not to pursue him:

he won't cost STK what he's earning, coz Carlton will need to pay a chunk of it (he's mature-aged for Carlton from 2011, so he costs them less in terms of salary cap, hence the big figure). that happens all the time - former clubs continue paying part salaries

- great kick for goal

- attachment to St Kilda

- proven matchwinner

- STK perfect fit for him, in terms of 'able to straighten out'

- BIG FARKING DEAL what he did. Everyone does it, Media beat-up. He's not the only footballer that acts like a d**khead, he's just the only footballer that acts like a d**khead and sells newspapers while he does it.

- has proven himself injury-resilient

Do we know what he did though?

said to judd
"you're fcuking sh1t!"
among other things. carried-on like a pissed idiot.

[SainterK]

no reason not to pursue him:

he won't cost STK what he's earning, coz Carlton will need to pay a chunk of it (he's mature-aged for Carlton from 2011, so he costs them less in terms of salary cap, hence the big figure). that happens all the time - former clubs continue paying part salaries

- great kick for goal

- attachment to St Kilda

- proven matchwinner

- STK perfect fit for him, in terms of 'able to straighten out'

- BIG FARKING DEAL what he did. Everyone does it, Media beat-up. He's not the only footballer that acts like a d**khead, he's just the only footballer that acts like a d**khead and sells newspapers while he does it.

- has proven himself injury-resilient

Do we know what he did though?

said to judd
"you're fcuking sh1t!"
among other things. carried-on like a pissed idiot.

I realise that, but what else did he do that they couldn't show? On the surface it seems like a overeaction by Carlton, unless of course there is much more to it than an edited 2 minute grab of what they could show.

[Schillaci]

You know when this tool was playing for the scum everyone on this forum called him the tool he was, what an idiot he was etc.
As soon as he nominates us, all of that is forgotten, the guy will still be a tool no matter what team he plays for.
Mind you I don't think there is a snowballs chance in hell he'll come to our club and I don't think Ross will interested in his antics, no matter how many goals he kicks because he just becomes a distraction to the club, the players and supporters.
Remember how we hero worshipped Spider, how we defended all his antics, and how pleased we we're to see the end of him.
Strange, our club began climbing the ladder the year after Everitt left.
Also remember the Fevola never kicked goals against Max, Scarlett, Fletcher, Lake or any other good full back.
As I said, I am not interested in the guy, don't want him and can see the potential disaster he can be.
Way to much negative with him, if Carlton we're smart, they would have disciplined him properly years ago.

Have just read through the 13 pages and this probably sums up my feelings and thoughts the best. Top post.

He's a great player but too much downside. No d!ckheads rule to apply.

Can't see a trade happening anyway. $1.4 million over 2 years - subtract whatever Carlton may agree to pay still equates to a lot for a side at the top of the tree. Someone of quality must go and they'll have to agree to it. Ball and Maguire given their 2009 season would see greater playing opportunity at Carlton but how much coin would that free up...more in Ball's case but enough...I don't know. If I was Kosi and told a trade was on the table I'd say "Get f****d"

Let's not forget Carlton doesn't have to do a trade. I reckon he'll stay a Blue...logistically difficult considering back ended contract and what the Blues will want for him.