Channel 9 News...

[gringo]

I can't help but think that Eddie has used his media guys to go and dredge up some dirt after he was forced to defend Malthouse publicly. I think some one should send media watch in to investigate if money was paid and whether nine has been sniffing around the case trying to find a crack to open up. It smells a bit fishy to me. Or a freakish coincidence. Maybe he is a passionate Pies man wanting his beloved coach to be vindicated. Just wish someone could find out what went on with the reporting and investigation. Channel 9 are becoming an embarrassment to broadcasting. If it turns out they used the channel to go dredging up muck, Eddie should be locked in a room with all the new episodes of HEY HEY its Saturday on continuous loop.

[Legendary]

This cop is stupid ... His comments are now bordering on prejudicial towards any future investigations/hearings etc ...

There will be an investigation ... The police will find nothing wrong ... Put to rest ... This bloke will go away and crawl back to wherever he is from.

And Channel Eddie may wanna be careful ...

My mate once told me that everyone has skeletons in their closet.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

And for good measure take Scott Gladman along as well and lets see who's lying. Would you all be happy enough for that to happen?

Scott Gladman is the only one who needs a polygraph test currently...or a visit from Tim Roth.

If you're so sure they didn't do what they were accused of, you don't think it would be worth our guys clearing their names, once and for all? They can do it. Today, if they want to. There's a polygraph test here that anyone can sit, for about $600.

Who's saying I believe they're not guilty...all I have to go on is a closed police case form 6 years ago...same as almost everyone else. The point is, the only allegation made to date is from one cop, saying he was bullied by other cops to drop the case. This needs to be dealt with first, by the police, before the media begin harrassing these guys again.

I can't see that what the HUN has done is actually legal, by printing a story implying that two guys are guilty and that the club has somehow influence a police case. There are no facts, not even an open statement to this effect, only implications.

I get your point re: the polygraph by MM, but I wouldn't leap back into an event I'd been involved with 6 years ago, just because someone else has an axe to grind.

Even if it took a whole lot of unwanted attention and distractions away from your footy team, who are in genuine comtention for a premiership? And eased the pressure on your kids, who are probably being asked at school "is your dad a rapist?" and stuff like that? And potentially helped avoid a court case?
And you also have your gut, don't you? What's that telling you?
Do you really believe that this is one massive conspiracy by Channel 9, the Herald Sun, Eddie McGuire, Mick Malthouse, Scott Gladman, and whoever else, as many on here would have us believe? Or is it more likely that what Gladman said is true. And that some of these people actually want justice? I see you're in Adelaide, so you may not be aware of the level of police corruption that has been uncovered in Melb in recent years. Given all that we've expereinced in that regard, it would be no surprise at all to hear that this case was squashed from within and that what he said was true, especially since it's now been revealed that he did make a complaint back then.

[stinger]

Finey read out a statement from the club on SEN just before 8.00pm.

Basically said that the St Kilda Football Club would not be commenting on Internal Police Matters, and that the club and players fully co-operated with the investigation at the time !!

an appropriate response imho....

[gringo]

I am not sure if my memory is correct but there was an investigation when Eddie had a party and a girl was raped and there was ecstacy involved at his house I think Steve Quartermaine may have been a witness also? Very long time ago but worth dredging the papers for. I'm not saying those guys were involved in the rape but shady recollections in court can be considered perjury if I am not mistaken. The rumour that Luke Ball is getting a massive payment for footy show appearances is going around also. I think he should look in his own backyard before he starts dredging through ours.

[degruch]

[I see you're in Adelaide, so you may not be aware of the level of police corruption that has been uncovered in Melb in recent years.

I live in a city run by bikies, there's corruption everywhere. This is the main issue the media should be reporting on. Are they? Or are they muckraking? In a recent SA political campaign, someone dug up an affair between a barmaid and the Premier of the state, 2 years after it happened, to seemingly influence a state election - this stuff does happen.

The HUN will run with any old junk on St Kilda, as they did only a few weeks ago, it doesn't need to be factual, so there doesn't need to be a galactic conspiracy. In fact, whether there is a conspiracy at all is beside the point...there is a matter that needs to be dealt with before anyone even mentions the name St Kilda, and that is Scott Gladman's allegations.

Printing an article implying the guilt of two innocent (as it stands currently) persons, and implying corruption by a business enterprise (the club) is pretty dicey...shouldn't they be focusing on police corruption? Why do you want to get to the end of the book before reading the chapters?

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

This cop is stupid ... His comments are now bordering on prejudicial towards any future investigations/hearings etc ...

There will be an investigation ... The police will find nothing wrong ... Put to rest ... This bloke will go away and crawl back to wherever he is from.

And Channel Eddie may wanna be careful ...

My mate once told me that everyone has skeletons in their closet.

So what are the ones in yours, Legendary?
And if all this happens: "There will be an investigation ... The police will find nothing wrong ... Put to rest ... This bloke will go away and crawl back to wherever he is from.", where does that leave us?
Will we have someone who raped someone and got off, at our club? And if so, is that OK with you?
And no-one here seems to have said one word about the girl Milney was alleged to have raped.
What if that was your daughter, or your wife, mother, or sister, if it happened?
Would we all be OK with that, because he kicks lots of goals for us?

[stinger]

What was the comment last week?

the comment last week- 'Don't underestimate the trustworthiness of some people..." followed a question on Milney's interview- after he had taken umbrage at being asked about the Milne interview. just seemed an odd comment when a further ' No Comment" with bristle would have had affect.

part of this interview
http://sportal.com.au/mediaplayer/audio ... rence-8310

says it all doesn't it....

[SainterK]

This cop is stupid ... His comments are now bordering on prejudicial towards any future investigations/hearings etc ...

There will be an investigation ... The police will find nothing wrong ... Put to rest ... This bloke will go away and crawl back to wherever he is from.

And Channel Eddie may wanna be careful ...

My mate once told me that everyone has skeletons in their closet.

So what are the ones in yours, Legendary?
And if all this happens: "There will be an investigation ... The police will find nothing wrong ... Put to rest ... This bloke will go away and crawl back to wherever he is from.", where does that leave us?
Will we have someone who raped someone and got off, at our club? And if so, is that OK with you?
And no-one here seems to have said one word about the girl Milney was alleged to have raped.
What if that was your daughter, or your wife, mother, or sister, if it happened?
Would we all be OK with that, because he kicks lots of goals for us?

I did, and I said this guy has let her down incredibly.

[stinger]

This cop is stupid ... His comments are now bordering on prejudicial towards any future investigations/hearings etc ...

There will be an investigation ... The police will find nothing wrong ... Put to rest ... This bloke will go away and crawl back to wherever he is from.

And Channel Eddie may wanna be careful ...

My mate once told me that everyone has skeletons in their closet.

there are some in eddies i can assure you......none to nice either.......i

[stinger]

[quote="gringo"]I am not sure if my memory is correct but there was an investigation when Eddie had a party and a girl was raped and there was ecstacy involved at his house I think Steve Quartermaine may have been a witness also? Very long time ago but worth dredging the papers for. I'm not saying those guys were involved in the rape but shady recollections in court can be considered perjury if I am not mistaken./quote]


your memory is correct....

[stinger]

I think you're all just firing shots at anyone and everyone you can, to avoid the question that's really eating away at you. Did they do it?

What's that got to do with anything? This is a story on internal police corruption, the MM case has been done and dusted for years.

What a stupid f****** question. You've got to be kidding. These two play for our footy club. Do we want them here if they raped someone, or were aware that someone they knew was having sex with someone that thought they were someone else?
As soon as the Lovett thing surfaced we seemingly all wanted him out him out of here ASAP, yet the same doesn't appear to be the case with these two.
I love these guys, but, if they were responsible for what they were accused of, I don't want them at our club. Do you? Whether the investigation was "done and dusted" or not?

they were cleared ....full stop.....end of story....this clown was in charge of the investigation......his complaint was investigated by a deputy commissioner.....why is it being dredged up now ffs......ask yourself that qustion....who used to run channel nine.....????

[TazzieSaintGirl83]

I mentioned the women involved as well and how I dont think this being spread all over the paper complete with supposed lurid details has done anything to help her.
Her welfare is important and I dont think the paper or the sources for the story were thinking about her at all when they went ahead with this in this manner.

[BigD]

ask yourself that qustion....who used to run channel nine.....????

Who runs it now. A Collingwood supporting solicitor who is long standing best mates with aforementioned EM, MM & Co'.

I still don't swallow the conspiraccy theory though. More likely the one floated in an earlier page that Ch 7 has gained the ascendency in news ratings and nine is striking back with anything they can. Why else would they drag it out over several nights the way they are doing?

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

[I see you're in Adelaide, so you may not be aware of the level of police corruption that has been uncovered in Melb in recent years.

I live in a city run by bikies, there's corruption everywhere. This is the main issue the media should be reporting on. Are they? Or are they muckraking? In a recent SA political campaign, someone dug up an affair between a barmaid and the Premier of the state, 2 years after it happened, to seemingly influence a state election - this stuff does happen.

The HUN will run with any old junk on St Kilda, as they did only a few weeks ago, it doesn't need to be factual, so there doesn't need to be a galactic conspiracy. In fact, whether there is a conspiracy at all is beside the point...there is a matter that needs to be dealt with before anyone even mentions the name St Kilda, and that is Scott Gladman's allegations.

Printing an article implying the guilt of two innocent (as it stands currently) persons, and implying corruption by a business enterprise (the club) is pretty dicey...shouldn't they be focusing on police corruption? Why do you want to get to the end of the book before reading the chapters?

I'm not defending the media in any shape or form, I don't really care in the slightest about their angle. If there's nothing in it then we'll be OK, I'm just concerned about if there is something in it, which many on here don't seem to be open to. Like what happened in SA. It may have been reported 2 years later, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen, does it? The guy was just getting what was coming to him. The karma bus pulled up outside his place.
And of course they'd focus largely on the St Kilda side of the story. A story mainly about police corruption is pretty boring, especially here, where it's nothing new, but a story about footy is big news over here. They're in the business of selling newspapers. This side of the story will definitely sell more papers, because it's what most here would want to hear about.
They're just giving the public in Melb, rightly or wrongly, what they want to hear about. If we weren't interested in it, it wouldn't be put on the front page of the newspaper. If we don't like it, we need to change, as a society.
If society's value and interests change, then they'll lead with an angle that suits/reflects that change, but at the moment footy stories are what we, as a city/society mostly want to hear about (Relative to police corruption stories).
Anyone that doesn't like it, of course, doesn't have to watch channel 9, or read the Herald Sun, or live in Melbourne, etc. Or you can ring them and complain, etc. We have free will.

[gringo]

My gripe is not that the media is looking into the story. It is if channel nine are using the media to effect paybacks for the Collingwood football club. If it is being used as a tool to put other teams back in their boxes when the dare to stand up to Eddie Berlusconi, it is a misuse of power and a form of corruption. It shows a distinct lack of judgement on behalf of the journalists bosses and highlights a huge conflict of interest in Eddies dual roles.

The way clubs are reported can severely effect sponsorships and even the way the AFL makes decisions on when and where they play. If it is a personal direction from the top to investigate this as payback it is nothing more than corporate sabotage. This should be investigated and if anything shows up from the Collingwood footy club the AFL should divide people with media interests from holding positions of responsibility within the clubs. It just all looks too convenient not to lead back to the desk of Eddie or someone else with an axe to grind.

[degruch]

It may have been reported 2 years later, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen, does it? The guy was just getting what was coming to him. The karma bus pulled up outside his place.

Well, something happened 2 years ago, no-one knows for sure except the people involved. 6 years ago there was a rape allegation and, subsequently, charges dropped. Why does an old cop's lament mean the rape allegation stands, but the charges being dropped are suddenly irrelevant?

I'm right, aren't I, this cop is the guy who implied MM were guilty and got away with it? Seems he doesn't mind using a public forum to express his own opinion...that might get things done if you're Harry Callahan, but it's a great way to de-rail a legal case. I'm sure the victim would really appreciate it.

[degruch]

I still don't swallow the conspiracy theory though...

Me either, but the timing is very lousy.

[Thinline]

I believe St Kilda is de rigeur in media circles at the moment for several reasons. One is we historically seem to keep finding ways to f-ck ourselves over, two we historically trip over the last hurdle, three we historically engage 'colourful' individuals as players, coaches or administrators and four, our recent off field transgressions (alleged, and leaving aside ethics of reportage) revolve around kinky rooting.

No one should be surprised that we're making headlines, however spurious they may be.

It is troubling, however, that other clubs - and one in particular - do not endure similar intrusive 'investigative' reporting.

That one club it should be pointed out successfully firewalled three cracking stories: Swan's thuggery and his unwillingness to pay his damages bill, Didak and his bikie escapades, and Didak and Shaw and their public dishonesty. Those stories went 'pop' then disappeared in a flash. Even MM's blatant public dishonesty hardly registered beyond around a day or two. Equally West Coast's dramas hardly registered on the same kind of seedy level as all this stuff we're now going through.

I think it is a failure on the part of our club - and perhaps a naivety too - that we let these stories float before we respond. Or not.

I don't have any answers. But it's not my job. Personally I think someone should be doing theirs better.

And in circumstances where we are clearly on the media sleeze radar, our player's should bloody well zip up their duds and win us a bloody flag.

[St Michele]

This cop is stupid ... His comments are now bordering on prejudicial towards any future investigations/hearings etc ...

There will be an investigation ... The police will find nothing wrong ... Put to rest ... This bloke will go away and crawl back to wherever he is from.

And Channel Eddie may wanna be careful ...

My mate once told me that everyone has skeletons in their closet.

So what are the ones in yours, Legendary?
And if all this happens: "There will be an investigation ... The police will find nothing wrong ... Put to rest ... This bloke will go away and crawl back to wherever he is from.", where does that leave us?
Will we have someone who raped someone and got off, at our club? And if so, is that OK with you?
And no-one here seems to have said one word about the girl Milney was alleged to have raped.
What if that was your daughter, or your wife, mother, or sister, if it happened?
Would we all be OK with that, because he kicks lots of goals for us?

I did, and I said this guy has let her down incredibly.

I agree totally i have thought about how it would feel if it was one of my 3 daughters. If it was i would be really angry at this policeman...
1 He did not investigate the case correctly in the first place
2 He let things happen and did not report them
3 He has now rehashed this case after the girl has probably come to terms with the result, she may not have been happy but would have moved on.

I do not condone the behaviour of the player/s concerned on that night but it is over and done with. This poor girl I am sure does not want it all rehashed and discussed all over the media.

[markp]

Can you imagine Tommy Walsh trying to explain all this to his dear old mum back home... "No Ma, that was a different rape case..."

I have little belief in the Eddy conspiracy theories... firstly, he'd know as well as anyone that there but for the grace of god go all of them, secondly, and as mentioned, everyone has skeletons in their closet, and thirdly, this new found vigour into investigating the activities of footballers will in all likelihood mean headaches for him down the road too.

[bozza1980]

I am obviously biased by red, black and white eyes.

However, what has been reported may point to stonewalling by collegues of this policeman, however a few d**kheads in the station doesn't take away the fact that he presented his "prima facie" case and the DPP decided not to proceed with it as they didn't feel they'd get a conviction.

Even if the St Kilda FC heard the womans claims, even if evidence went missing for 6-7 hours, this does not take away the fact that this case wasn't solid enough for a charge.

So in the end what we are left with is that we know that a few policemen would have liked the case to go away, the lead detective thought Milne guilty. I'm not sure either is news today, 6 years after the fact.

I am really unhappy with the way this has been reported and I will not be watching Channel 9 news or related news programs in the future, sensationalising, bordering on the slanderous, rubbish.

[plugger66]

Can you imagine Tommy Walsh trying to explain all this to his dear old mum back home... "No Ma, that was a different rape case..."

I have little belief in the Eddy conspiracy theories... firstly, he'd know as well as anyone that there but for the grace of god go all of them, secondly, and as mentioned, everyone has skeletons in their closet, and thirdly, this new found vigour into investigating the activities of footballers will in all likelihood mean headaches for him down the road too.

Also did he go and find a sacked cop to say these stories. I'd be pretty sure he has better things to do. It is the cop that caused the issue not Eddie. Now it sounds like there is an issue but it isnt with our players its with the police force.

[Solar]

can someone who is a little less upset then me (I think I will lose it if I go to air) ring SEN and tell them that no it's not a "great story" by channel 9. It's disgusting reporting and SEN are just adding to it. Pathetic. I'm running out of things to watch and listen to

[joffaboy]

I have little belief in the Eddy conspiracy theories... firstly, he'd know as well as anyone that there but for the grace of god go all of them, secondly, and as mentioned, everyone has skeletons in their closet, and thirdly, this new found vigour into investigating the activities of footballers will in all likelihood mean headaches for him down the road too.

You can BET on that.