Richo - why wouldn’t you sack him?

[samoht]

Good recruiting has helped boost Hardwick’s and Buckley’s stocks.
They were nearly out the door, and all I heard was how hopeless Buckley was as a coach just last year from Collingwood fans I knew who’d given up on him and wanted him gone.

Things can turn around quickly with some good recruiting - it doesn’t take all that much.

Mind you, both these sides had already recruited a core of A graders on which to build on - and it only took the addition of a couple of more players - a couple of finishing touches - to complete these teams. We’re not quite there yet.

[Linton Lodger]

I think everyone can relax, it appears he might be gone on Monday.

ITKs over at Bigfooty saying that the 'big wigs' (I assume they mean Board) are meeting Monday morning.

[MC Gusto]

Yes pretty confident he is gone based on pretty reliable BF posters

Seems that there is truth in billings, acres and Steven wanting out with the club only pushing back on JB - supposedly agreeable to trade the other two

[Jacks Back]

Yes pretty confident he is gone based on pretty reliable BF posters

Seems that there is truth in billings, acres and Steven wanting out with the club only pushing back on JB - supposedly agreeable to trade the other two

Who are 8cres and Billings kidding? I like 8cres but he hasn't done anything and Billings is very soft. The only player out of those I would miss is Jackie Boy as he is only one of a few players that actually makes things happen. He is turning 29 next year but he may play a heap more games like Brett Harvey.

[David-Lee]

Money. We can not afford to sack him.
I want him gone now.
But I get it. The club can not afford to sack him financially and I am beginning to waver as I consider if we do need to try everything we can first and see if he rises up, for the sake of club stability.

That said, can it get much worse, surely our culture is proven onfield but largely consistent pathetic, gutless, insipid efforts from most players ( not every game but most).

[Saintmatt]

Money. We can not afford to sack him.
I want him gone now.
But I get it. The club can not afford to sack him financially and I am beginning to waver as I consider if we do need to try everything we can first and see if he rises up, for the sake of club stability.

That said, can it get much worse, surely our culture is proven onfield but largely consistent pathetic, gutless, insipid efforts from most players ( not every game but most).

The only reason money is an issue is because our numpty CEO recommended to the board that Richo be extended. Now we can’t punt him because the same CEO and Board have also plumped up our debt to $12M. Quite rightly, the rest of the competition would be annoyed if we punted our 2nd coach in a row and the AFL had to pay for it (given we unecessarily extended him)

[Linton Lodger]

Unscheduled Board Meeting 10am Monday.

[saintsRrising]

Quite rightly, the rest of the competition would be annoyed if we punted our 2nd coach in a row and the AFL had to pay for it (given we unnecessarily extended him)

If Richo stays I foresee that we will lose a lot more money than what it costs to move him on early.

-Less Memberships
-Less match day revenue
-Less Sponsorship $


Don't virtually all coaches from all clubs get "punted"? Very few go of their own choosing.

I cannot really see other clubs getting that annoyed. Richo has had more than a fair crack at it.

Extending Richo's contract was a big mistake. BUT finishing that contract early would be a much bigger one.

[HardSaint]

if there is no no 3 month or performance based get out clause in Richo's contract then the board should step down - every one of them

If the consideration of an ill thought out and poorly structured contract is the only reason we are persevering with Richardson, then we are doing so under duress and not in the best interests of the club - the board (and anyone close to it) should realise this and put their f****** hands up, give Gerry Harvey and jim Watts a call, work out a succession plan and fall hard on their swords - OR Bassett grow a pair and pay Richardson out himself and accept responsibility, acknowledging his role as a member of the board that made such a disastrous and ill conceived decision

We will go further backwards and most probably into oblivion if we're rearranging deck chairs around Richardson cos we cant afford to throw him to the icebergs
Absolute stupid logic if thats what we've come to

we have a right to demand more than than the s*** we're being served

[Enrico_Misso]

if there is no no 3 month or performance based get out clause in Richo's contract then the board should step down - every one of them

If the consideration of an ill thought out and poorly structured contract is the only reason we are persevering with Richardson, then we are doing so under duress and not in the best interests of the club - the board (and anyone close to it) should realise this and put their f****** hands up, give Gerry Harvey and jim Watts a call, work out a succession plan and fall hard on their swords - OR Bassett grow a pair and pay Richardson out himself and accept responsibility, acknowledging his role as a member of the board that made such a disastrous and ill conceived decision

We will go further backwards and most probably into oblivion if we're rearranging deck chairs around Richardson cos we cant afford to throw him to the icebergs
Absolute stupid logic if thats what we've come to

we have a right to demand more than than the s*** we're being served

Exactly.
The decision to renew Rico's contract was not only unnecessary it was imprudent.
Then to say after a disastrous season all roles except for Richo's are being reviewed is equally ludicrous.

If we don't act now then 2019 will be another wasted year, we will go backwards in terms of finals aspirations and in terms of finances.

GET IT DONE!

[st.byron]

if there is no no 3 month or performance based get out clause in Richo's contract then the board should step down - every one of them

If the consideration of an ill thought out and poorly structured contract is the only reason we are persevering with Richardson, then we are doing so under duress and not in the best interests of the club - the board (and anyone close to it) should realise this and put their f****** hands up, give Gerry Harvey and jim Watts a call, work out a succession plan and fall hard on their swords - OR Bassett grow a pair and pay Richardson out himself and accept responsibility, acknowledging his role as a member of the board that made such a disastrous and ill conceived decision

We will go further backwards and most probably into oblivion if we're rearranging deck chairs around Richardson cos we cant afford to throw him to the icebergs
Absolute stupid logic if thats what we've come to

we have a right to demand more than than the s*** we're being served

Agree. Rearranging the deck chairs is not the required action. Removing the captain of the ship is necessary.

[jays]

one more year and then ratten takes over imo

[MC Gusto]

He’s gone

[MC Gusto]

I’m actually surprised the media hasn’t got a whiff yet

[Barneysaint]

Totally agree. He won't be there next year. Ratten will be coach with Lade Harvey and playfair as assistance and choco development manager.

[rodgerfox]

Good recruiting has helped boost Hardwick’s and Buckley’s stocks.
They were nearly out the door, and all I heard was how hopeless Buckley was as a coach just last year from Collingwood fans I knew who’d given up on him and wanted him gone.

Things can turn around quickly with some good recruiting - it doesn’t take all that much.

Mind you, both these sides had already recruited a core of A graders on which to build on - and it only took the addition of a couple of more players - a couple of finishing touches - to complete these teams. We’re not quite there yet.

I don't rate Hardwick FWIW.

I think he rolls off the back of Rance, Martin, Cotchin and Riewoldt to be honest.

I mean he was rubbish until those guys really flicked the switch. I genuinely see him as a perfect example of a coach simply riding off the back off superstar players. To be blessed to have the best defender arguably EVER, a 3-time Coleman Medallist and two on-ballers such as Cotchin and Martin in the one team is simply extraordinary. I'd dare say that even Richardson coldn't coach the 'good' out of them.

Having said that, he has (I'd dare say with the help of good assistants) built a game plan that revolves around them to a large degree. However it also relies on them.

[Yorkeys]

A really important factor, I think, is the excitement of anticipation. If a club has a positive x factor in its coaching and players its a wonderful thing even if other aspects like injuries, ump decisions, bounce of the ball and draw go against you. The worst is to be bland. We are so bland in playing style, team cohesion and coach, and until now Presidents. We need to recruit some new players and coaches we can have true affection and respect for. Players surely cannot get up for games with Richo or Jarryn spruiking. I think/hope that Gresh, Long, Battle, Marshall, Steele, Paton and a very few others could become a wonderful core with an enthusiastic and credible coach. You wouldn't sack Richo if he was even slightly inspirational but he is not. I worry that the club is keeping him on based on him meeting minimum technical criteria/politic correctness and ignoring the fact that he does not and will never have a wow factor so we will never aspire under him. In NRL Wayne Bennett is sour and dour but has a track record and is a brilliant tactician. AR is dour and turning us sour. Are the players having any fun yet?

[axcellence]

please keep Steven. he can play 100 more games. Has been quite durable and can rest up forward more later in his career. lose him and it is Carlton 2018 season.

[samoht]

Good recruiting has helped boost Hardwick’s and Buckley’s stocks.
They were nearly out the door, and all I heard was how hopeless Buckley was as a coach just last year from Collingwood fans I knew who’d given up on him and wanted him gone.

Things can turn around quickly with some good recruiting - it doesn’t take all that much.

Mind you, both these sides had already recruited a core of A graders on which to build on - and it only took the addition of a couple of more players - a couple of finishing touches - to complete these teams. We’re not quite there yet.

I don't rate Hardwick FWIW.

I think he rolls off the back of Rance, Martin, Cotchin and Riewoldt to be honest.

I mean he was rubbish until those guys really flicked the switch. I genuinely see him as a perfect example of a coach simply riding off the back off superstar players. To be blessed to have the best defender arguably EVER, a 3-time Coleman Medallist and two on-ballers such as Cotchin and Martin in the one team is simply extraordinary. I'd dare say that even Richardson coldn't coach the 'good' out of them.

Having said that, he has (I'd dare say with the help of good assistants) built a game plan that revolves around them to a large degree. However it also relies on them.

For any game plan to work, you need a strong, highly skilled list whose skills hold up under pressure. If you have an average list, with average skills, it might appear you don't have a game plan, or the right game plan or a good coach - even when you do have all these things. Sensible/smart recruiting is the crux of it - the coach is the cherry on top (and as you say there are plenty of assistants around the coaches - so it's never a solo effort). So, I'm in 2 minds whether Richo should go on or not next year, even as a figurehead, there could always be a smooth transition at the end of next year (of course, who knows how the players, etc.. see things).
With a settled lineup next year, we will improve - no matter who the coach is.

[Saintmatt]

Quite rightly, the rest of the competition would be annoyed if we punted our 2nd coach in a row and the AFL had to pay for it (given we unnecessarily extended him)

If Richo stays I foresee that we will lose a lot more money than what it costs to move him on early.

-Less Memberships
-Less match day revenue
-Less Sponsorship $


Don't virtually all coaches from all clubs get "punted"? Very few go of their own choosing.

I cannot really see other clubs getting that annoyed. Richo has had more than a fair crack at it.

Extending Richo's contract was a big mistake. BUT finishing that contract early would be a much bigger one.

You’re right - but the other clubs will be annoyed (not to mention that AFL who’s very concerned about how we run ourselves) that the competition has to keep funding out ineptitude. When you’re $12M in debt - sacking a coach and making the payout is effectively asking the rest of the competiton to make the payment.

But - all of that aside - out biggest issue is the impact of sacking the Dribbler on our soft cap. That payout money would be included in our 2019 and 2020 numbers (ie you have less in your cap to attract a high quality replacement)

[samoht]

Before we punt the coach, if that's where it's heading, I hope we'd have already cleared out all our "scattergun/scatterbrained" recruiters - and identified which one of them is keen on or even entertaining the thought of trading Rankine (or whoever our first draft pick is/will be) for Hanneberry and bringing in Lycett (if the rumours are true) - yet another C grade ruckman - and give him the special door prize. "Out the door you go - you're decruited"! "Hit the road, Jack." (maybe that's why we have recruited so many Jacks?).


decruit
verb [ I or T ] UK ​ /dɪˈkruːt/ US ​
​
HR to remove people working for an organization from their jobs because they are no longer needed:

[Cairnsman]

So who would be the savior. Which mystical person will it be to solve the biggest problem, depth of quality players.

What caped Marvel will fly in on Monday to save us, what magical powers will be used to turn us into an overnight destination club and attract high end talent. Or will he be able to place his hands on the heads of currently listed players and magically gift them superpowers to become instant A graders, or maybe not instantly but at a time stated on a new and shiney public relations hope document.

Will he cheer up the entitled, will he stop the masses microwaving memberships.

I'm now salivating at the prospect of finding out who this Caped Marvel is. And ironically they have renamed our stadium in honour of this new savior.

This caped marvel sounds like he will transcend the genius of Norm Smith, Ron Barrassi, Kevin Sheedy, Leigh Matthews and Alastair Clarkson and his touch will convert us into super team and playing for flags by....

[devil saint]

I have always liked Richo but his time, sadly, is up. If it is true that some of our best players don't want him then that is that.
Also, I have a bit of a problem with the argument that we don't have quality players. Our players play with no confidence, hence the skill errors. They don't have any confidence in our game plan. Tackling hard and winning the contested ball isn't a game plan but it seems that's all of which Richo is capable.
I think that if the players believed in what they were doing and had good structures for which to play, we wouldn't be lamenting our lack of skill or quality. They, each of them, were stars at junior level and they could all kick. It is a confidence thing, in my very humble, uneducated opinion.

[st.byron]

I have always liked Richo but his time, sadly, is up. If it is true that some of our best players don't want him then that is that.
Also, I have a bit of a problem with the argument that we don't have quality players. Our players play with no confidence, hence the skill errors. They don't have any confidence in our game plan. Tackling hard and winning the contested ball isn't a game plan but it seems that's all of which Richo is capable.
I think that if the players believed in what they were doing and had good structures for which to play, we wouldn't be lamenting our lack of skill or quality. They, each of them, were stars at junior level and they could all kick. It is a confidence thing, in my very humble, uneducated opinion.

Agree. Our players are severely underperforming due to complete lack of belief and confidence. That’s down to the coach.

[Cairnsman]

If it is true

or if it's on BF