Starting 22 2018 what we'll see/ what you'd like to see.

[Con Gorozidis]

Weller and Wright are now officially in the list clogger category.

Wright is 24 and Weller 26.

I can't see anything to be gained by gifting them more senior games. Both have had plenty of opportunities.

Would much prefer to see us get games in to Coffield, Clark, Paton and even Connellan.

[Joffa Burns]

So after last nights match!
One week at a time... not sure we can handle two talls in front half plus Skunk.

B: Geary - Bruce - Webster
HB: Savage - Carslile - Roberton
C: Acres - Ross - Newness
HF: Billings - Membrey - Gresham
F: Sinclair - Mc Cartin - Clark

R: Longer - Steele - Steven
INT: Dunstan - Gilbert - Armitage - Coffield

EMG: Marshall - Long -

Liked:
Marshall's last 1/4 - he has got something, Armo's return, Clark and Coffield showed the class to back up being top 10 picks.
Paddy showed a bit but dropped a couple of sitters, Jack Steven hasn't lost any zip, Savage followed on from last seasons late solid form.

Disliked:
Wright is not an AFL standard footballer, Mav looked ordinary, Webster looked cumbersome and slow.
Brown looked very slow, field kicking poor. Tackles were not sticking.

[Con Gorozidis]

Is Newnes still a walk up start?

[samoht]

Is Newnes still a walk up start?

Newnes would be one of our first picked, every week.
One of our most under-rated players - and I’m surprised by that.
Do a footywire comparison of Newnes against any of our other players, and you’ll see he is in the top quartile in possessions, metres gained and kicking efficiency.

[desertsaint]

Is Newnes still a walk up start?

Newnes would be one of our first picked, every week.
One of our most under-rated players - and I’m surprised by that.
Do a footywire comparison of Newnes against any of our other players, and you’ll see he is in the top quartile in possessions, metres gained and kicking efficiency.

not disposal efficiency - 14th last year. 15th in centre clearances. 12th in stoppage clearances. 13th in general clearances. 15th in tackles.
He's a rebounder - 9th in contested possessions, 3rd in uncontested. But woeful disposal - 4th in turnovers, 4th in clangers.

[stonecold]

Is Newnes still a walk up start?

GOP!!!!!

[samoht]

Desertsaints wrote ,,
"not disposal efficiency - 14th last year. 15th in centre clearances. 12th in stoppage clearances. 13th in general clearances. 15th in tackles.
He's a rebounder - 9th in contested possessions, 3rd in uncontested. But woeful disposal - 4th in turnovers, 4th in clangers".

Let's also highlight some of his positives! Note metres gained and disposal efficiency!
Re: 15th in centre clearances -He doesn't get centre clearances as he doesn't line up in the centre at centre bounces.
.... and how can 3rd in uncontested possessions be a bad thing?
4th in turnovers/clangers --- Billings has the same amount of clangers/turnovers as Newnes --- the 4 clangers per game might be a result of long driving kicks (see metres gained stat) and some might miss the target - but what about the ones that come off (the most)?

Jack Newnes vs Jack Billings

25yr 0mth Age 22yr 6mth
184cm Height 184cm
86kg Weight 81kg

2017 Stats for Season 2017
22 Games 22
13.3 Kicks Per Game 11.6
9.6 Handballs Per Game 11.6
22.9 Disposals Per Game 23.1
5.6 Marks Per Game 5.5
0.3 Goals Per Game 1.1
0.5 Behinds Per Game 1.6
3.1 Tackles Per Game 3.1
0 Hitouts Per Game 0
3.4 Inside 50s Per Game 4.0
0.3 Goal Assists Per Game 1.0
0.6 Frees For Per Game 0.7
1.1 Frees Against Per Game 0.3
6.5 Contested Possessions Per Game 7.5
17.1 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 15.7
17.1 Effective Disposals Per Game 16.3
74.7% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 70.6%
3.0 Clangers Per Game 2.2
0.3 Contested Marks Per Game 0.5
0.4 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 1.4
1.4 Clearances Per Game 1.4
3.4 Rebound 50s Per Game 1.1
1.6 One Percenters Per Game 1.0
0.8 Bounces Per Game 0.4
82.7 Time On Ground % Per Game 84.9
0.2 Centre Clearances Per Game 0.1
1.2 Stoppage Clearances Per Game 1.3
5.1 Score Involvements Per Game 7.5
431.2 Metres Gained Per Game 297.9 .... That's a 130 metres plus differential
4.4 Turnovers Per Game 4.1
3.6 Intercepts Per Game 2.5
0.3 Tackles Inside 50 Per Game 1.2
$621,000 AFL Fantasy Price $666,000
88.1 AFL Fantasy Score Per Game 94.6
$465,800 Supercoach Price $509,500
84.7 Supercoach Score Per Game 92.7

[dragit]

What a weird comparison, how does Longer stack up vs Lonie?

[samoht]

What a weird comparison, how does Longer stack up vs Lonie?

Why is it weird? .. he plays most of the game on a wing/half back - he spends little time in the actual centre of the ground (so he's never going to amass 30 possessions plus).
I'm not comparing the two as much as asking the question:what is Newnes doing so wrong?; why is he so under-rated?
We all rate Billings (and I'm not saying he's as good as Billings)- but why are we overlooking and slighting such a good, solid player?

[spert]

No Gilbert, Longer or Weller. Would like to see Hickey,Marshall and Billings...oh yeah..and some kind of game plan!

[desertsaint]

Desertsaints wrote ,,
"not disposal efficiency - 14th last year. 15th in centre clearances. 12th in stoppage clearances. 13th in general clearances. 15th in tackles.
He's a rebounder - 9th in contested possessions, 3rd in uncontested. But woeful disposal - 4th in turnovers, 4th in clangers".

Let's also highlight some of his positives! Note metres gained and disposal efficiency!
Re: 15th in centre clearances -He doesn't get centre clearances as he doesn't line up in the centre at centre bounces.
.... and how can 3rd in uncontested possessions be a bad thing?
4th in turnovers/clangers --- Billings has the same amount of clangers/turnovers as Newnes --- the 4 clangers per game might be a result of long driving kicks (see metres gained stat) and some might miss the target - but what about the ones that come off (the most)?

Jack Newnes vs Jack Billings

25yr 0mth Age 22yr 6mth
184cm Height 184cm
86kg Weight 81kg

2017 Stats for Season 2017
22 Games 22
13.3 Kicks Per Game 11.6
9.6 Handballs Per Game 11.6
22.9 Disposals Per Game 23.1
5.6 Marks Per Game 5.5
0.3 Goals Per Game 1.1
0.5 Behinds Per Game 1.6
3.1 Tackles Per Game 3.1
0 Hitouts Per Game 0
3.4 Inside 50s Per Game 4.0
0.3 Goal Assists Per Game 1.0
0.6 Frees For Per Game 0.7
1.1 Frees Against Per Game 0.3
6.5 Contested Possessions Per Game 7.5
17.1 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 15.7
17.1 Effective Disposals Per Game 16.3
74.7% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 70.6%
3.0 Clangers Per Game 2.2
0.3 Contested Marks Per Game 0.5
0.4 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 1.4
1.4 Clearances Per Game 1.4
3.4 Rebound 50s Per Game 1.1
1.6 One Percenters Per Game 1.0
0.8 Bounces Per Game 0.4
82.7 Time On Ground % Per Game 84.9
0.2 Centre Clearances Per Game 0.1
1.2 Stoppage Clearances Per Game 1.3
5.1 Score Involvements Per Game 7.5
431.2 Metres Gained Per Game 297.9 .... That's a 130 metres plus differential
4.4 Turnovers Per Game 4.1
3.6 Intercepts Per Game 2.5
0.3 Tackles Inside 50 Per Game 1.2
$621,000 AFL Fantasy Price $666,000
88.1 AFL Fantasy Score Per Game 94.6
$465,800 Supercoach Price $509,500
84.7 Supercoach Score Per Game 92.7

I posted positives - his high ranking in uncontested, and mentioned his rebounding. You'd already mentioned his possessions and metres gained. Not knocking him, but your call on disposal efficiency was well off.

[samoht]

I posted positives - his high ranking in uncontested, and mentioned his rebounding. You'd already mentioned his possessions and metres gained. Not knocking him, but your call on disposal efficiency was well off.

I misunderstood re: uncontested (and rebounding), sorry. You did indeed post some positives.
But why was my call on disposal efficiency well off? .... relative to others, the guy kicks the ball long and gains a lot of metres for his team - 430 metres average per game over 22 games last year is elite - so the margin for error with his long kicking will accordingly be higher (he's adventurous with his kicks and doesn't just chip it 20 metres sideways or backwards just to get his efficiency up to 100%) - yet his disposal efficiency is still around 75%.
How was I exaggerating his disposal efficiency ?

[desertsaint]

I posted positives - his high ranking in uncontested, and mentioned his rebounding. You'd already mentioned his possessions and metres gained. Not knocking him, but your call on disposal efficiency was well off.

I misunderstood re: uncontested (and rebounding), sorry. You did indeed post some positives.
But why was my call on disposal efficiency well off? .... the guy kicks the ball long and gains a lot of metres for his team - 430 metres average per game over 22 games last year is elite - so the margin for error with his long kicking will accordingly be higher (he's adventurous with his kicks and doesn't just chip it 20 metres sideways or backwards just to get his efficiency up to 100%) - yet his disposal efficiency is still around 75%.
How was I exaggerating his disposal efficiency ?

'top quartile' - he isn't. that was all. he has his role and is obviously doing it. i too think he's one of the more stable inclusions in richo's eyes, but like most on our list he could do with a bit of improvement - be also lovely if he could shoot, and he certainly aint alone on that measure.

[older saint]

B: Geary, Brown, Webster
HB: Savage, Carlise, Roberton
C: Sinclair, Dunstan, Acres
HF: Billings, Bruce, Gresham
F: Membrey, McCartin, Clark
Foll: Longer, Stevens, Ross
Int: Armitage, Newness, Steele, Coffield

Emerg: Weller, Gilbert, White/Rice

I think they need a settled back 6 ( all good sides do). True to be second ruck and push acres as 3 marking target forward during that time.

Assuming Longer over Hickey and Marshall although this is the year one has to show they can become a top 5 ruck in the league.

[BadRossco]

After Carlton JLT we are crying out for a Tall, Mobile,Marking defender. Clavarino seems to have vanished, we need to put time into him as he could eventually fit the bill. Hopefully another Lever of the future

[samoht]

I did write something clever here ... for anyone wondering.

[Con Gorozidis]

Clavarino is tall and a good mark.
I am not convinced he is mobile.

[Drake Huggins]

Is Newnes still a walk up start?

Newnes would be one of our first picked, every week.
One of our most under-rated players - and I’m surprised by that.
Do a footywire comparison of Newnes against any of our other players, and you’ll see he is in the top quartile in possessions, metres gained and kicking efficiency.

not disposal efficiency - 14th last year. 15th in centre clearances. 12th in stoppage clearances. 13th in general clearances. 15th in tackles.
He's a rebounder - 9th in contested possessions, 3rd in uncontested. But woeful disposal - 4th in turnovers, 4th in clangers.

OUCH!

[congorozides]

Is Newnes still a walk up start?

Newnes would be one of our first picked, every week.
One of our most under-rated players - and I’m surprised by that.
Do a footywire comparison of Newnes against any of our other players, and you’ll see he is in the top quartile in possessions, metres gained and kicking efficiency.

not disposal efficiency - 14th last year. 15th in centre clearances. 12th in stoppage clearances. 13th in general clearances. 15th in tackles.
He's a rebounder - 9th in contested possessions, 3rd in uncontested. But woeful disposal - 4th in turnovers, 4th in clangers.

OUCH!

Just watched the replay. Newnes couldnt even find space in a ground contest against Kreuzer. Newnes is a good honest trier with great fitness and toughness. But that is all. Similar to Geary. A long way from being a gun player.

[ZNobby]

FB.Webster Carlisle White
HB.Savage Roberton Coffield
C.Geary Armitage Sinclair
HF.Billings Bruce Steele
FF.Gresham McCartin Clark
Foll.Longer/Hickey Ross Steven
Int. Acres Newnes Dunstan Long

[Raph Goat Clarke]

Sadly newness is nothing more than a role player.
Yes he has metres gained because he bombs the ball long to no one.
Whether its our horrible bomb it inside 50 and hope something happens game plan or his lack of talent I'm not sure.
He hasn't taken his game to another level for the past 3 seasons you can't seriously say his best is better than a B.

[Drake Huggins]

FB.Webster Carlisle White
HB.Savage Roberton Coffield
C.Geary Armitage Sinclair
HF.Billings Bruce Steele
FF.Gresham McCartin Clark
Foll.Longer/Hickey Ross Steven
Int. Acres Newnes Dunstan Long

I like it. Maybe Marshall in for Longer(dinosaur) or Hickey. Your thinking is way to progressive for the Milky Bar Kid. He'll pick the same guys who have held us back. Gilbert, Longer, Webster, Brown, Stevens, Wright, Minchington et al.

[chook23]

FB.Webster Carlisle White
HB.Savage Roberton Coffield
C.Geary Armitage Sinclair
HF.Billings Bruce Steele
FF.Gresham McCartin Clark
Foll.Longer/Hickey Ross Steven
Int. Acres Newnes Dunstan Long

No Membrey.....

[stonecold]

FB.Webster Carlisle White
HB.Savage Roberton Coffield
C.Geary Armitage Sinclair
HF.Billings Bruce Steele
FF.Gresham McCartin Clark
Foll.Longer/Hickey Ross Steven
Int. Acres Newnes Dunstan Long

No Membrey.....

Yeap, says much about the posters knowledge, more so about those that read it and agreed!!!!!

[Drake Huggins]

Of course you've never made a mistake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!