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spert wrote:Unless Richo pulls some kind of magic trick out of his hat, I see this season as a repeat of last season, so we might as well look forward to 2017 when JC is available, though to me getting a quality midfield assembled is the priority.
good postTo the top wrote:So let's put some FACTS on the table, not rubbish.
St Kilda have had a long term (including when we relied on Dawson as a key defender, because he was rubbish) problem with key defenders, relying on Fisher who is now well past 30 and who was missing for a couple of years because of injury.
We really have not had good key defenders since the pre-injury Maguire, the pre-injury Penny and Hudgden.
So we address the issue short term by recruiting Delaney from North Melbourne.
We draft Goddard because of his credentials as a possible long term key defender.
Fisher returns in 2015 - and continues on in 2016, but he is now that much older.
Thru this time we got absolutely cut up by our lack of key defenders with opposition sides pushing their ruckmen forward to further exploit our deficiencies.
It was an abject joke - and resulted in us using Stanley as a full back, which he was not and harming his development.
Carlisle, who has potential as a key defender, but who Essendon attempted to turn into a key forward against his wishes, became disallusioned with Essendon, venting against them as he did and for understandable reasons (Essendon are a disgrace of a sporting Club and has no regards for its players).
So St Kilda, with the glaring deficiency on its list, moved to Contract the 198cm key defender - successfully and against opposition from other Clubs and the response of Essendon which was the response you would expect from a criminal Club which pays no regard to the health and well being of its players (and was convicted and fined by Workcover).
Yes, there was the video - but if you think that Carlisle is the only AFL player doing such a thing you have rocks in your head - because the AFL dynamic represents society.
The fact was that, because of the video, he is under notice - and under scrutiny - correctly.
The 12 month suspension, despite the players being culpable because they took injections and did not divulge this at any stage was ultimately down to the culture which is the Essendon Football Club.
So it is not where and what Carlisle comes from - we all know of Essendon Football Club.
It is what he does from now.
And St Kilda actually have a decent 198cm defender with some experience on its books - and gee, we don't half need that because we have a gaping hole right there.
So what were the options to repair this gaping hole absent recruiting Carlisle?
Carlisle is now one of our blocks to a better future - along with Goddard, Mc Cartin and Bruce.
The recruiting of Carlisle was a necessity - and an urgent necessity.
Yes slightly disappointed, a few underachievers and some tactical issues on match days did worry me, but I seriously doubt if any on the list are going to take a big step to the next level this season, but of course we can always hope!Trev from the Bush wrote:spert wrote:Unless Richo pulls some kind of magic trick out of his hat, I see this season as a repeat of last season, so we might as well look forward to 2017 when JC is available, though to me getting a quality midfield assembled is the priority.
So, does this mean you were disappointed with last season Spert?
Yes Plugger so long as that proven player is also not a proven imbecile!ripplug66 wrote:No doubt a proven player is the better option than the draft. The only thing safer about the draft is the difference in cash and it seems cash isn't a problem with this trade this year. As for parish being better well who cares. We couldn't get him unless we somehow got pick 4.
Wow if only you actually put facts on the tableTo the top wrote:So let's put some FACTS on the table, not rubbish.
St Kilda have had a long term (including when we relied on Dawson as a key defender, because he was rubbish) problem with key defenders, relying on Fisher who is now well past 30 and who was missing for a couple of years because of injury.
We really have not had good key defenders since the pre-injury Maguire, the pre-injury Penny and Hudgden.
Whats that got to do with it?whiskers3614 wrote:How many games has Dawson played where master-coach Lyon wasn't at the helm?
No-one is disputing Fletcher's standing as an AFL standard footballer.terry smith rules wrote:Whats that got to do with it?whiskers3614 wrote:How many games has Dawson played where master-coach Lyon wasn't at the helm?
How many games did Fletcher play with Sheedy coach...
Reported? Anyway who cares what he has done previously. We have a million page thread on how Essendon are rooted. Maybe Carlisle was mentally stuffed with them. Why can't we wait and see how he goes before we decide the world is endingwhiskers3614 wrote:Yes Plugger so long as that proven player is also not a proven imbecile!ripplug66 wrote:No doubt a proven player is the better option than the draft. The only thing safer about the draft is the difference in cash and it seems cash isn't a problem with this trade this year. As for parish being better well who cares. We couldn't get him unless we somehow got pick 4.
Surely this peanut is not the only KPD potentially available 2015-2017.
Please don't trot out the old "others are doing much worse " line.
NO other player has been reported slagging off his club within hearing range of opposition!
As for drug use, it is stupidity of FEvola/Capper standard to photograph and disseminate evidence of your criminality!
What's Parish got to do with it?BigMart wrote:Couple of things
No doubt we paid overs for Jake, most of the time you have to when recruiting a player. His actual output was no where near his salary demand. Bit of early Kosi about Jakes career.
Started well... Then had a purple patch for a month and is now got serious tendinitis of the Knee and can't even train.
He's a 700k player without an accolade?!
That aside, yes he can play a bit... And the year off is something many players face in there careers...
Not the big worry though
That is his putrid attitude, in his last year at Essendon he was petulant and just sooking... You can tell a lot about a person when the chips are down IMO
His body is in average condition, he was filmed snorting coke a week after his trade and is most likely an idiot like Fev.
For all his footy failings, at least Kosi was a ripper bloke and gave everything he had... That we can respect.
Carlisle ATM is a poor mans Lovett
Ironically from the same club, recruited in desperation for a missing piece, so we paid heaps at high risk.
If it works out - which it might
It'll be all worth it
Chances are, the draft would have been the safer option... Because I thought that was our strategy.
Gresham will be OK
Again, chances are, parish will be far better.
Spert - it is going to be a repeat of last season. It has to be, Carlisle can't play, but will get over his knee tendonitis at last, Freeman will probably only play a handful of games and have his conditioning monitored, and Bailey Rice has got chronic fatigue and will probably debut this season, but little else.Trev from the Bush wrote:spert wrote:Unless Richo pulls some kind of magic trick out of his hat, I see this season as a repeat of last season, so we might as well look forward to 2017 when JC is available, though to me getting a quality midfield assembled is the priority.
So, does this mean you were disappointed with last season Spert?
Was going to ask the same thing.Darth Vader wrote:What's Parish got to do with it?BigMart wrote:Couple of things
No doubt we paid overs for Jake, most of the time you have to when recruiting a player. His actual output was no where near his salary demand. Bit of early Kosi about Jakes career.
Started well... Then had a purple patch for a month and is now got serious tendinitis of the Knee and can't even train.
He's a 700k player without an accolade?!
That aside, yes he can play a bit... And the year off is something many players face in there careers...
Not the big worry though
That is his putrid attitude, in his last year at Essendon he was petulant and just sooking... You can tell a lot about a person when the chips are down IMO
His body is in average condition, he was filmed snorting coke a week after his trade and is most likely an idiot like Fev.
For all his footy failings, at least Kosi was a ripper bloke and gave everything he had... That we can respect.
Carlisle ATM is a poor mans Lovett
Ironically from the same club, recruited in desperation for a missing piece, so we paid heaps at high risk.
If it works out - which it might
It'll be all worth it
Chances are, the draft would have been the safer option... Because I thought that was our strategy.
Gresham will be OK
Again, chances are, parish will be far better.
The last six matches of 2016 give us an accurate form guide of where we are - we can beat the bottom four or five sides, can take it up to the mid-table sides, but nowhere near the top 8 teams yet.spert wrote:Yes slightly disappointed, a few underachievers and some tactical issues on match days did worry me, but I seriously doubt if any on the list are going to take a big step to the next level this season, but of course we can always hope!Trev from the Bush wrote:spert wrote:Unless Richo pulls some kind of magic trick out of his hat, I see this season as a repeat of last season, so we might as well look forward to 2017 when JC is available, though to me getting a quality midfield assembled is the priority.
So, does this mean you were disappointed with last season Spert?
The problem with us making the 8 is that even if we improve from last year we still need to catch Geelong (10th), GWS (11th) and Collingwood (12th). You'd think at least two of those three should improve at least a little bit. Collingwood might improve a lot.samuraisaint wrote:The last six matches of 2016 give us an accurate form guide of where we are - we can beat the bottom four or five sides, can take it up to the mid-table sides, but nowhere near the top 8 teams yet.spert wrote:Yes slightly disappointed, a few underachievers and some tactical issues on match days did worry me, but I seriously doubt if any on the list are going to take a big step to the next level this season, but of course we can always hope!Trev from the Bush wrote:spert wrote:Unless Richo pulls some kind of magic trick out of his hat, I see this season as a repeat of last season, so we might as well look forward to 2017 when JC is available, though to me getting a quality midfield assembled is the priority.
So, does this mean you were disappointed with last season Spert?
Dittomagnifisaint wrote:good postTo the top wrote:So let's put some FACTS on the table, not rubbish.
St Kilda have had a long term (including when we relied on Dawson as a key defender, because he was rubbish) problem with key defenders, relying on Fisher who is now well past 30 and who was missing for a couple of years because of injury.
We really have not had good key defenders since the pre-injury Maguire, the pre-injury Penny and Hudgden.
So we address the issue short term by recruiting Delaney from North Melbourne.
We draft Goddard because of his credentials as a possible long term key defender.
Fisher returns in 2015 - and continues on in 2016, but he is now that much older.
Thru this time we got absolutely cut up by our lack of key defenders with opposition sides pushing their ruckmen forward to further exploit our deficiencies.
It was an abject joke - and resulted in us using Stanley as a full back, which he was not and harming his development.
Carlisle, who has potential as a key defender, but who Essendon attempted to turn into a key forward against his wishes, became disallusioned with Essendon, venting against them as he did and for understandable reasons (Essendon are a disgrace of a sporting Club and has no regards for its players).
So St Kilda, with the glaring deficiency on its list, moved to Contract the 198cm key defender - successfully and against opposition from other Clubs and the response of Essendon which was the response you would expect from a criminal Club which pays no regard to the health and well being of its players (and was convicted and fined by Workcover).
Yes, there was the video - but if you think that Carlisle is the only AFL player doing such a thing you have rocks in your head - because the AFL dynamic represents society.
The fact was that, because of the video, he is under notice - and under scrutiny - correctly.
The 12 month suspension, despite the players being culpable because they took injections and did not divulge this at any stage was ultimately down to the culture which is the Essendon Football Club.
So it is not where and what Carlisle comes from - we all know of Essendon Football Club.
It is what he does from now.
And St Kilda actually have a decent 198cm defender with some experience on its books - and gee, we don't half need that because we have a gaping hole right there.
So what were the options to repair this gaping hole absent recruiting Carlisle?
Carlisle is now one of our blocks to a better future - along with Goddard, Mc Cartin and Bruce.
The recruiting of Carlisle was a necessity - and an urgent necessity.