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Verdun66 wrote:
I reckon if you drill down into the numbers other clubs would have quite high numbers of players who played in other team's premierships. Doubt we are leaders in this stat.
what ..only 20 players from the club to have played in a premiership side with the club...and an equal number who won flags with other clubs.......????i very much doubt it....
It would be interesting to know exactly. It is disgrace of course that only 20 players have been in a Premiership for the Saints, but who do you blame for the other? Who mucked it up?
We left the Junction to get away from the cricket club, and to have financial independence. Most of those players have played in other team's Premierships since. What went wrong, and who us to blame?
i think it really sad when i look at the numbers of saints champions who have left the club for one reason or another to play with other clubs..
there were plenty before my time...roy cazaly for example..he left because of club infighting....
but i hated seeing ian stewart, carl ditterich..twice...stuart trott, russell greene, val perovic, rod owen russell jeffrey, glen elliott, david grant, gilbert mcadam, tony lockett, nicky winmar, barry hall, luke ball, brendon goodard, nick dal santo and big boy mcevoy(not so much)...play in the colours of teams i despised.....most of them , we could have kept and i believe our history would not be so dessolute if we had........
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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Verdun66 wrote:
I reckon if you drill down into the numbers other clubs would have quite high numbers of players who played in other team's premierships. Doubt we are leaders in this stat.
what ..only 20 players from the club to have played in a premiership side with the club...and an equal number who won flags with other clubs.......????i very much doubt it....
It would be interesting to know exactly. It is disgrace of course that only 20 players have been in a Premiership for the Saints, but who do you blame for the other? Who mucked it up?
We left the Junction to get away from the cricket club, and to have financial independence. Most of those players have played in other team's Premierships since. What went wrong, and who us to blame?
i think it really sad when i look at the numbers of saints champions who have left the club for one reason or another to play with other clubs..
there were plenty before my time...roy cazaly for example..he left because of club infighting....
but i hated seeing ian stewart, carl ditterich..twice...stuart trott, russell greene, val perovic, rod owen russell jeffrey, glen elliott, david grant, gilbert mcadam, tony lockett, nicky winmar, barry hall, luke ball, brendon goodard, nick dal santo and big boy mcevoy(not so much)...play in the colours of teams i despised.....most of them , we could have kept and i believe our history would not be so dessolute if we had........
I agree with all of that. Ian Stewart was let go by Jeans who couldn't abide his off-field stuff. You probably know that story better than me. Suppose Carl did it for the money. But when we were broke and just let them go...Greene, Perovic, Elliott...well that was shocking. That period of course nearly sent us into never never land. Would love to really know what happened through those years. The big teams just bought players, and Hawthorn got the zoning deal that set them on their path. We languished for years.
SaintPav wrote:Well if we'd won more premierships we'd have more players from other clubs as well.
That's an interesting point.
I'm not sure we had anyone?
Can anyone confirm if any of the 66 boys came to us from other VFL clubs?
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They can even WATCH LIVE FOOTY!
SaintPav wrote:Well if we'd won more premierships we'd have more players from other clubs as well.
That's an interesting point.
I'm not sure we had anyone?
Can anyone confirm if any of the 66 boys came to us from other VFL clubs?
None came from other VFL clubs. Stewart and Davis left later for other clubs, as did Big Carl who was suspended. Players did move much in those days. Clubs just wouldn't clear them. Was quite rare. Not like now!
SaintPav wrote:Well if we'd won more premierships we'd have more players from other clubs as well.
That's an interesting point.
I'm not sure we had anyone?
Can anyone confirm if any of the 66 boys came to us from other VFL clubs?
None came from other VFL clubs. Stewart and Davis left later for other clubs, as did Big Carl who was suspended. Players did move much in those days. Clubs just wouldn't clear them. Was quite rare. Not like now!
Reckon that is a real myth. Plenty left their club if they got paid enough but bugger all got paid any money. Percentage wise a lot more left who got above the minimum wages.
SaintPav wrote:Well if we'd won more premierships we'd have more players from other clubs as well.
That's an interesting point.
I'm not sure we had anyone?
Can anyone confirm if any of the 66 boys came to us from other VFL clubs?
None came from other VFL clubs. Stewart and Davis left later for other clubs, as did Big Carl who was suspended. Players did move much in those days. Clubs just wouldn't clear them. Was quite rare. Not like now!
Reckon that is a real myth. Plenty left their club if they got paid enough but bugger all got paid any money. Percentage wise a lot more left who got above the minimum wages.
What was a myth? Players swapping clubs in the 60's? Hardly ever happened. Barassi left Melb to be Capt/Coach of Carlton, can't think of any other big ones. That's why the 10 year rule came in which helped North to their 1st flag. That was '73 I think.
SaintPav wrote:Well if we'd won more premierships we'd have more players from other clubs as well.
That's an interesting point.
I'm not sure we had anyone?
Can anyone confirm if any of the 66 boys came to us from other VFL clubs?
None came from other VFL clubs. Stewart and Davis left later for other clubs, as did Big Carl who was suspended. Players did move much in those days. Clubs just wouldn't clear them. Was quite rare. Not like now!
Reckon that is a real myth. Plenty left their club if they got paid enough but bugger all got paid any money. Percentage wise a lot more left who got above the minimum wages.
What was a myth? Players swapping clubs in the 60's? Hardly ever happened. Barassi left Melb to be Capt/Coach of Carlton, can't think of any other big ones. That's why the 10 year rule came in which helped North to their 1st flag. That was '73 I think.
I agree a lot didn't leave because most where on the same wage so what was the point? However the percentage of players leaving who did earn more than the rest was pretty high.
SaintPav wrote:Well if we'd won more premierships we'd have more players from other clubs as well.
That's an interesting point.
I'm not sure we had anyone?
Can anyone confirm if any of the 66 boys came to us from other VFL clubs?
None came from other VFL clubs. Stewart and Davis left later for other clubs, as did Big Carl who was suspended. Players did move much in those days. Clubs just wouldn't clear them. Was quite rare. Not like now!
Reckon that is a real myth. Plenty left their club if they got paid enough but bugger all got paid any money. Percentage wise a lot more left who got above the minimum wages.
What was a myth? Players swapping clubs in the 60's? Hardly ever happened. Barassi left Melb to be Capt/Coach of Carlton, can't think of any other big ones. That's why the 10 year rule came in which helped North to their 1st flag. That was '73 I think.
I agree a lot didn't leave because most where on the same wage so what was the point? However the percentage of players leaving who did earn more than the rest was pretty high.
Just for the exercise, name a few. In the 60's I can only remember the Saints getting Bruce McMaster Smith from Carlton, and the Pascoes from North. There might be others, but I can't think of any. The 70's were different. The 10 year rule moved a few around, and we started to lose a few as we've previously mentioned because we had no money.
SaintPav wrote:Well if we'd won more premierships we'd have more players from other clubs as well.
That's an interesting point.
I'm not sure we had anyone?
Can anyone confirm if any of the 66 boys came to us from other VFL clubs?
None came from other VFL clubs. Stewart and Davis left later for other clubs, as did Big Carl who was suspended. Players did move much in those days. Clubs just wouldn't clear them. Was quite rare. Not like now!
max pitt came to us after playing for the filth in their losing grandfinal side.....if my memory is correct....
we lost carl the first time under the ten year rule....that rule didn't help us but got the roos their first premiership cup...
alan davis became a bit of a wanderer.....played for the dees, the cheatersand the filth after leaving us....
kicked over 300 goals for us in about 170 games.....he was only 17 when he played in the 66 grand final side.......later coached the side when the doc had a stroke.....
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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SaintJohn1956 wrote:I got down to the 8 gamers and thought that was far enough!
So maybe there is more than 20 or one of the others didn't play in the GF.
Unbelievable effort there John. I wonder what the figures are for other clubs? Some were suggesting our figure was high, but I find it hard to believe that the same didn't occur for players leaving other clubs.
SaintJohn1956 wrote:Presumably the 20 players come from the following.
I'm not sure they al played in the Winning GF but they were at the club.
Ben McEvoy St,K 2008-2013 91 Games Haw 2014 13 Games Premiers this year.
Luke Ball St.K 2003-2009 142 Coll 2010-2014 81 Premiers in 2010
Barry Hall St.K 1996-2001 88 Syd 2002-2009 162 Dogs 2010-2011 39 Sydney Premiers in 2005 (he should have missed through suspension)
Darryl Wakelin St.K 1995-200 115 PA 2001-2007 146 Power Premiers in 2004
Brent Guerra PA 200-2003 65 St.K 2004-2005 31 Haw 2006-2013 159 Hawks Premiers in 2008 & 2013
Paul Harding Haw 1987-1988 11 St.K 1989-1991 62 WC 1992-1994 43 WC premiers in 1992 & 1994
Dean Rice St.k 1987-1993 116 Carl 1994-2001 118 Carlton Premiers in 1995
Russell Greene St.K 1974-1980 120 Haw 1980-1988 184 Haw Premiers in 1983, 1986 & 1988
Val Perovic St.K 1973-1979 77 Carl 1980-1985 97 Carlton Premiers in 1981 & 1982
Rod Galt St,K 1973-1974 77 Carl 1975-1979 46 Carlton Premiers in 1979 - Someone has said no but I don't know if he played or not.
Stuart Trott St.K 1967-1974 159 Haw 1975-1977 41 Haw Premiers in 1976 - He only played 3 games that year so maybe as someone else has said - no.
Mick Malthouse St.K 1976-1976 53 Rich 1976-1983 121 Rich Premiers in 1980
Ian Baker St.K 1976-1979 50 Rich 1980 3 Rich Premiers in 1980 - Only 3 games so unlikely
Doug Cox St.K 1981-1982 36 Ess 1984 3 Ess Premiers in 1984 - Only 3 games so unlikely
Ian Stewart St.K 1963-1970 127 Rich 1971-1975 78 Rich Premiers in 1973 & 1974
Stephen Rae St.K 1969-1973 55 Rich 1973-1974 20 Rich Premiers in 1973 & 1974 did he play?
Frank Roberts St.K 1933-1934 27 Melb 1936-1941 86 Melb premiers in 1939, 1940 & 1941
Don Howell St.K 1953-1955 29 Coll 1957-1958 17 Coll Premiers in 1958
Bill Tymms St.K 1922-1923 8 Melb 1925-1933 91 Melb Premiers in 1926
Harry Moyes St.K 1915-1924 61 Melb 1925-1927 45 Melb Premiers in 1926
Norm Turnbull St.K 1914-1920 34 Rich 1921-1923 Rich Premiers in 1921
Jack Wells St.K 1906-1909 39 Carl 1910-1914 66 Carl Premiers in 1914
Bill Mahoney Geel 1902-1902 17 St.K 1904-1905 17 Rich 1908-1920 114 Rich Premiers in 1920
George Mcleod St.K 1897-1903 21 Ess 1910-1913 56 Ess Premiers in 1911 & 1912
Billy Schmidt Rich 1908-1911 71 St.K 1912-1920 90 Rich 1921 4 Ricgmond Premiers in 1921 but did he play
There may be others but they would have played less than 10 games for the Saints, and I may have missed someone.
That is more than 20 - so obviously some of them didn't play.
I think it was couched as St Kilda players who swapped clubs to play in a premiership, rather that StKilda players who at some time won a premiership????? so not sure if Harding counts or not.
Galt was not in 79 Premiership Team...though Jezza, Sheldon and McConville all were, and who later played at the Saints.
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