How are we filling the salary cap?

[The Redeemer]

How do you pay 112 per cent of a cap and not get penalised regardless of what happens next?

[plugger66]

How do you pay 112 per cent of a cap and not get penalised regardless of what happens next?

Because you have a vets list. last year we had about 6 on it at a savings of around 112k per player. This year we wont use it. Also there is promotions money that we can pay. next year if we are struggling to get to 95% we will just put it in the cap.

[groupie1]

He means a club cannot pay over the salary cap. I'm equally intrigued. How can you pay 110% of the salary cap?

[plugger66]

He means a club cannot pay over the salary cap. I'm equally intrigued. How can you pay 110% of the salary cap?

Didnt you just read above what i said?

[BigMart]

Comparing our list to Hawthorn or Geelong or even Melbourne (they are overpaying for Clarke 800k and Dawes 500k)

Who do we get within a bulls roar of those teams

[FQF]

Comparing our list to Hawthorn or Geelong or even Melbourne (they are overpaying for Clarke 800k and Dawes 500k)

Who do we get within a bulls roar of those teams

Suggested answers so far:

1. All salaries are included within the cap, making no use of the veterans list.

(Still doesn't account for much.)

2. We get special dispensation from the AFL to underpay.

(If this is actually true then it makes sense. Haven't seen it reported anywhere in relation to any team, other than this thread. But who knows.)

3. We include additional payments that aren't mandatorily within the cap.

(Same as number two.)

[plugger66]

Comparing our list to Hawthorn or Geelong or even Melbourne (they are overpaying for Clarke 800k and Dawes 500k)

Who do we get within a bulls roar of those teams

Suggested answers so far:

1. All salaries are included within the cap, making no use of the veterans list.

(Still doesn't account for much.)

2. We get special dispensation from the AFL to underpay.

(If this is actually true then it makes sense. Haven't seen it reported anywhere in relation to any team, other than this thread. But who knows.)

3. We include additional payments that aren't mandatorily within the cap.

(Same as number two.)

The first one is a huge difference from this year. About 700K. I have never heard of number 2 and number 3 can be done for sure. Thats probably another 300k so there is one million just there without even giving new contract to players like Steven and Armo. Plus of course going from 100% to 95% so thats another 400k.

[dragit]

There's also front loading, which not everyone is a fan of but... can be a useful way to free up money to chase decent free agents in a couple of years.

[Old Mate]

Contracts are often renegotiated for one reason or another. Armo may be on 3 x 300k (2014-16). It could be changed to 1 x 500k (2014) & 2 x 200k (2015-16) to satisfy the cap next year.

[saintbrat]

would having 2 international rookies also take some of the cap and along with a full rookie list
( which is now mandatory and not optional or realiant on wealthy supporters)

[dragit]

would having 2 international rookies also take some of the cap and along with a full rookie list
( which is now mandatory and not optional or realiant on wealthy supporters)

I don't think they're counted in the cap?

[saintbrat]

would having 2 international rookies also take some of the cap and along with a full rookie list
( which is now mandatory and not optional or realiant on wealthy supporters)

I don't think they're counted in the cap?

nor am I

completely aside

fantasy piece by Jake Niall this morning on the Buddy payment

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/sydn ... 2vtvf.html

[groupie1]

Contracts are often renegotiated for one reason or another. Armo may be on 3 x 300k (2014-16). It could be changed to 1 x 500k (2014) & 2 x 200k (2015-16) to satisfy the cap next year.

right... good explanation

[Con Gorozidis]

Sounds like we are paying decent coin to Hickey.

I also suspect we have offered decent coin to Bruce Savage Delaney and Longer.

But we still must be struggling to get up to 95%.

[ace]

How do you pay 112 per cent of a cap and not get penalised regardless of what happens next?

Because you have a vets list. last year we had about 6 on it at a savings of around 112k per player. This year we wont use it. Also there is promotions money that we can pay. next year if we are struggling to get to 95% we will just put it in the cap.

If you had many eligible for the vets list you still should still only have 2 on the vets list.
If you had two players on the Vets list only 50% of their pay counted.
That is 50% of your 2 highest paid Vets not counting
If you had three players on the Vets list 67% of their pay counted
That is 33% of your 3 highest paid vets not counting.

It means that it was dumb to have more than your 2 highest paid eligible to be Vets actually on the Vets list.
for St Kilda that should have meant 50% of Reiwoldt and Hayes salaries not counting.
That may have been worth about $700,000.

Without a Vets list that is a ball park $700,000 that has to now be included.

[ace]

How do you pay 112 per cent of a cap and not get penalised regardless of what happens next?

Because you have a vets list. last year we had about 6 on it at a savings of around 112k per player. This year we wont use it. Also there is promotions money that we can pay. next year if we are struggling to get to 95% we will just put it in the cap.

If you had many eligible for the vets list you still should still only had 2 on the vets list.
If you had two players on the Vets list only 50% of their pay counted.
That is 50% of your 2 highest paid Vets not counting
If you had three players on the Vets list 67% of their pay counted
That is 33% of your 3 highest paid vets not counting.

It means that it was dumb to have more than your 2 highest paid eligible to be Vets actually on the Vets list.
For St Kilda that should have meant 50% of Reiwoldt and Hayes salaries not counting.
That may have been worth about $700,000.

As you rightly point out there are some other payments that can be made to fall outside the salary cap.
These can be paid another way so as to bring them within the salary cap to boost the total to 95%.

But as many point out the list, as it exists today, is nowhere near worth 95%.

Without a Vets list that is a ball park $700,000 that has to now be included.

[remboy]

The have started including members in the salary cap. I'm on $600k next year.

[Rosco]

The have started including members in the salary cap. I'm on $600k next year.

i'm only on $550k. i'm requesting a trade to collingwood.

[karnaby]

The have started including members in the salary cap. I'm on $600k next year.

Boot studder or waterboy?

[remboy]

The have started including members in the salary cap. I'm on $600k next year.

Boot studder or waterboy?

For that money I'll do both

[Richter]

The have started including members in the salary cap. I'm on $600k next year.

i'm only on $550k. i'm requesting a trade to collingwood.

Wash your mouth out Rosco.

[lloyd21]

Will offer Billy Longer 4 year deal loading up 1st year of contract if Brisbane play hard ball for pick 25 heaps of room to do this will then take him PSD

Bruce will offered bigger 1st year if GWS play hard ball and we do PSD.

Hence why Saints contracted everyone gives them control great planning this year.