Jack Steven

[ShanghaiSaint]

i love these witch hunts when we lose a game.... anyone remember a game where JS won it for us against the filth? I remember that. Guy's got 36 games needs time to develop, he's doing well imo. lets settle down, where not going to challenge the flag this year. it's rebuild time people.. i am just taking it as it come no expectations.

[spert]

Armo didn't fudge it- the kick had too much on it and kept carrying- I've seen the best miss marks like that.

[8856brother]

Armo didn't fudge it- the kick had too much on it and kept carrying- I've seen the best miss marks like that.

Your joking right. He had to mark it. Simple as that.

[BigMart]

P66
Did Armo dog it when he backed into Luke hodge and got smashed, possibly cracking a vertebrae??

Did he dog it when he crashed through stretton in a contest and had him benched...

I think if you want to use an example of a player who 'dogs it' to try to expose me, Armo wouldn't be the one I'd go for.... He is one of the hardest footballers I have witnessed, from the very first day I saw him at Casey....where he knocked himself out smothering, by diving head first onto a boot... He's an animal.

People duck their head when they have pressure from behind, Armo was on his own..... And the ball went through his hands, basically he shelled it, it's laughable you would think otherwise

On Jack
He is a good young player (I do think I said that) but he has issues to correct in his game. The Dal comparison has to do with Balance whilst kicking, most intelligent poster would have got that....

BTW - how would Joey and Dal play if they got a similar amount of opposition attention as Jack?

[plugger66]

P66
Did Armo dog it when he backed into Luke hodge and got smashed, possibly cracking a vertebrae??

Did he dog it when he crashed through stretton in a contest and had him benched...

I think if you want to use an example of a player who 'dogs it' to try to expose me, Armo wouldn't be the one I'd go for.... He is one of the hardest footballers I have witnessed, from the very first day I saw him at Casey....where he knocked himself out smothering, by diving head first onto a boot... He's an animal.

People duck their head when they have pressure from behind, Armo was on his own..... And the ball went through his hands, basically he shelled it, it's laughable you would think otherwise

On Jack
He is a good young player (I do think I said that) but he has issues to correct in his game. The Dal comparison has to do with Balance whilst kicking, most intelligent poster would have got that....

BTW - how would Joey and Dal play if they got a similar amount of opposition attention as Jack?

Not sure if you read what is written before posting or just go with something that has nothing to do with what is actually said. I never said Armo dogged, actually said he didnt. Just pointing out even the toughest players can get caught in situations that dont look great but luckily for them some people see that and dont label someone something they arent. As for the Dal comparison with Jack i have ni idea who you are directing that to but I know it isnt me as I never mentioned it/ And the question you asked, I again have no idea who that is directed at but I will say that Joey and Dal would be great nearly every week if they get the attention Jack got. Dont see what the question is getting at though.

[Con Gorozidis]

i love these witch hunts when we lose a game.... anyone remember a game where JS won it for us against the filth? I remember that. Guy's got 36 games needs time to develop, he's doing well imo. lets settle down, where not going to challenge the flag this year. it's rebuild time people.. i am just taking it as it come no expectations.

cant believe people are going to pick on JS. Hes one shining light. Similarly last week (when we won) there was a 7 page negative thread on cripps. At least if there are going to be negative threads on individuals can we pick on guys over 25 earning over 500k a season rather than bullying up on kids on 150k..

[Richter]

On Jack
He is a good young player (I do think I said that) but he has issues to correct in his game. The Dal comparison has to do with Balance whilst kicking, most intelligent poster would have got that....

Whilst you remain a poster who I have an enormous amount of respect for in terms of your analysis of the football, comments like this help me to understand why you get up people's noses. Really just playing the poster rather than the comment.... something I thought you were better than...

I understand your point about the 'anti-Dal' but really how is it helpful? Jack will never have the poise Dal has, he isn't built like that. Sure, compare Siposs or Milera with Dal, they can aspire to perform like that because they have similar footy traits - they're light as ballerinas on their feet through traffic. If we want to imagine how Steven can improve IMO he's better off learning to play that part of his game within his limitations and to model himself on similar type elite players that I have previously mentioned. To coin a phrase.... "most intelligent poster(s) would have got that...."

[maverick]

...What happened with Armo and that mark. Did he dog it ...

I don't think so, although it looked like it. The kick was too strong, but he had ample time to step back to take it. But I have seen before that he gets "stuck" in a position and doesn't seem to be able to adjust as you would expect. Certainly Brent Guerra have it too him, although a little more desperation from him towards the end of 2004 (one minute before our end, in fact) might have been helpful.

I actually think he lost in the lights.
Of all people goo giving it to him for doggng it.......

[SaintPav]

...What happened with Armo and that mark. Did he dog it ...

I don't think so, although it looked like it. The kick was too strong, but he had ample time to step back to take it. But I have seen before that he gets "stuck" in a position and doesn't seem to be able to adjust as you would expect. Certainly Brent Guerra have it too him, although a little more desperation from him towards the end of 2004 (one minute before our end, in fact) might have been helpful.

I actually think he lost in the lights.
Of all people goo giving it to him for doggng it.......

Goo! Pfff...someone should have reminded him that he dogged it in the 2005 Prelim.

[spert]

Armo didn't fudge it- the kick had too much on it and kept carrying- I've seen the best miss marks like that.

Your joking right. He had to mark it. Simple as that.

Ever played footy?

[Scollop]

Love these threads. Easily in our best 3 but start a negative thread. The best young player we have and by a huge margin. Why not look at Armo. Couldnt get a kick and ducked his head at a vital moment. BM did he dog it. Not at all but if it was Cripps he would have. It happens to nearly every player who plays AFL. You learn from it. Armo is one of hardest players but needs to learn to cheap kicks.

What game were you watching? Or is it that you've never thought that Armo was worthy of a final in 2009 or 2010 because Eddy and Dempster and Ray and Mini and Peake were all better players and if the messiah said so then who were you (a pleb with not much in the way of intelligence) to question his decisions.

Armo simply misjudged the mark. His arms were outstretched and his head pointing straight up at the footy. BM is pointing out ways in Jack can improve and get better. Constructive criticism or feedback is not negative. Armo can also get better at judging the flight of the ball, but he's never dogged it. You are a tool and I agree with everyone who has ever called you a 'tool'. For you to even mention the words 'dog it' you are inferring that in your opinion there could be people out there that might say he was dogging it, and of course you don't agree with them, but you can see they're point of view because you reckon he 'ducked his head at a vital moment'. That's simply making things up - which you seem to always accuse other people of doing.

[plugger66]

Love these threads. Easily in our best 3 but start a negative thread. The best young player we have and by a huge margin. Why not look at Armo. Couldnt get a kick and ducked his head at a vital moment. BM did he dog it. Not at all but if it was Cripps he would have. It happens to nearly every player who plays AFL. You learn from it. Armo is one of hardest players but needs to learn to cheap kicks.

What game were you watching? Or is it that you've never thought that Armo was worthy of a final in 2009 or 2010 because Eddy and Dempster and Ray and Mini and Peake were all better players and if the messiah said so then who were you (a pleb with not much in the way of intelligence) to question his decisions.

Armo simply misjudged the mark. His arms were outstretched and his head pointing straight up at the footy. BM is pointing out ways in Jack can improve and get better. Constructive criticism or feedback is not negative. Armo can also get better at judging the flight of the ball, but he's never dogged it. You are a tool and I agree with everyone who has ever called you a 'tool'. For you to even mention the words 'dog it' you are inferring that in your opinion there could be people out there that might say he was dogging it, and of course you don't agree with them, but you can see they're point of view because you reckon he 'ducked his head at a vital moment'. That's simply making things up - which you seem to always accuse other people of doing.

He mis judged the mark because he didnt want to go back. Happens to most players once in their careers and not the type of thing Armo does. I am glad you think I am a tool because someone with your lack of footy knowledge thinking anything else would actually worry me. And the point of the word dogging it braindead is that Bigmart actually said Cripps dogged it. Are you happy with that braindead?Now potato head go away and continue to read the book, AFL for braindeads.

[BigMart]

Did I say say Cripps 'dogged it' or did I say he 'pulled out' twice..... You used the famous Grant Thomas quote, I said I don't care what you call it.... He took short steps...

Armo, seriously??

It was a flat hard kick which carried further than he thought, it wasnt a high ball he was under, he had no pressure from behind. God you've got no idea....

Armo ducking his head...... FFS

[plugger66]

Did I say say Cripps 'dogged it' or did I say he 'pulled out' twice..... You used the famous Grant Thomas quote, I said I don't care what you call it.... He took short steps...

Armo, seriously??

It was a flat hard kick which carried further than he thought, it wasnt a high ball he was under, he had no pressure from behind. God you've got no idea....

Armo ducking his head...... FFS

You mentioned another player and said he wouldnt dog it. In other words Cripps did. Dont try and get out of that or are you to weak to keep your opinion just like you were trying to say you said Lenny may retire when you actually said he would at the end of the year. Your lack of footy knowledge is funny considering you said you played the game. Pity it hasnt helped you understand the game. Armo is a very hard player. One of our hardest but there is no doubt he could have backed back harder. Watch it again and try and learn. It is never to late even for someone like you.

And it does matter what you call somethings. You claim to have been involved in a footy club and if you said a player dogged it you would get a punch in the mouth if it wasnt true. Probably nothing worse than saying that about a player. You could say he needs to learn to go harder at the ball but dogging it isnt anywhere near the right word.

Now please dont dog what you said and back down like you did with Lenny.

[8856brother]

Armo didn't fudge it- the kick had too much on it and kept carrying- I've seen the best miss marks like that.

Your joking right. He had to mark it. Simple as that.

Ever played footy?

Plenty thanks mate. Ask Armo whether he should have marked it. Quite simply he had to. Was under no physical pressure and had plenty of time to adjust. If you think differently you know jack. And you ask me if I've played the game. Shocking mistake. By the way I like Armo.

If he was an opposition player, would your opinion be different?

[BigMart]

Oh, where using other words..... It sounding like you were actually quoting me before....

[elizabethr]

What was Armo doing a bit later when Hodge drove his knee into Armo's spine?
Yes he was backing into the play knowing full well that he was going to get hurt.
Plugger you are a gutless wonder who wouldn't have ever known that the pain of ''dogging it''in your team mates eyes is far worse than from the injuries gained.
We all know who the faceless coward is on this forum!

[Leo.J]

Agree, but are you sure he heard the whistle, at the game I'd didn't look like it.
The advantage call and rule is seriously flawed inside 50.

Agreed... IMO there should be no advantage paid to a team inside their own 50.

[BigMart]

I stand by what I said about Lenny...... An opinion I'm entitled to...

And if you for one minute think I haven't looked a player fair square in the eye and questioned an Effort.... You're quite wrong
It's happened to me from coaches....

It's happened to most players..... And if you think those things are not said at footy clubs, you've never been with one.

One thing I do doubt
It's happened to David Armitage.... Some people (rare) just don't see, hear or feel fear.... He is obviously one.

Hayes, Burke, Hudghton, Paul Kelly, Kirk, Brown..... Go where angels fear, without hesitation.

As I said before, most pull out at one time or another...

[plugger66]

I stand by what I said about Lenny...... An opinion I'm entitled to...

And if you for one minute think I haven't looked a player fair square in the eye and questioned an Effort.... You're quite wrong
It's happened to me from coaches....

It's happened to most players..... And if you think those things are not said at footy clubs, you've never been with one.

One thing I do doubt
It's happened to David Armitage.... Some people (rare) just don't see, hear or feel fear.... He is obviously one.

Hayes, Burke, Hudghton, Paul Kelly, Kirk, Brown..... Go where angels fear, without hesitation.

As I said before, most pull out at one time or another...

Wouldnt an opinion be saying I think he will retire. You said he will retire. That sounds like some sort of fact to me.

And you dont get it. Have you ever said to a player you dogged it and have coaches said you dogged it. You claim to be involved in footy clubs and I have been involved for 30 years in one and I doubt I have heard anyone say to a player you dogged it. Heard plenty say you didnt go hard enough but sorry those 2 words are chalk and cheese.

[Scollop]

Love these threads. Easily in our best 3 but start a negative thread. The best young player we have and by a huge margin. Why not look at Armo. Couldnt get a kick and ducked his head at a vital moment. BM did he dog it. Not at all but if it was Cripps he would have. It happens to nearly every player who plays AFL. You learn from it. Armo is one of hardest players but needs to learn to cheap kicks.

What game were you watching? Or is it that you've never thought that Armo was worthy of a final in 2009 or 2010 because Eddy and Dempster and Ray and Mini and Peake were all better players and if the messiah said so then who were you (a pleb with not much in the way of intelligence) to question his decisions.

Armo simply misjudged the mark. His arms were outstretched and his head pointing straight up at the footy. BM is pointing out ways in Jack can improve and get better. Constructive criticism or feedback is not negative. Armo can also get better at judging the flight of the ball, but he's never dogged it. You are a tool and I agree with everyone who has ever called you a 'tool'. For you to even mention the words 'dog it' you are inferring that in your opinion there could be people out there that might say he was dogging it, and of course you don't agree with them, but you can see they're point of view because you reckon he 'ducked his head at a vital moment'. That's simply making things up - which you seem to always accuse other people of doing.

He mis judged the mark because he didnt want to go back. Happens to most players once in their careers and not the type of thing Armo does. I am glad you think I am a tool because someone with your lack of footy knowledge thinking anything else would actually worry me. And the point of the word dogging it braindead is that Bigmart actually said Cripps dogged it. Are you happy with that braindead?Now potato head go away and continue to read the book, AFL for braindeads.

So now you want to retract the ducked his head comment do you? But you still think he 'didn't want to go back'? Someone who doesn't want to go back, just doesn't get their hands near the footy.You are assuming what happened, you're trying to infer why it happened, but most people who watched the attempt to mark will tell you that it went through his fingers and he actually didn't get his thumbs and palms behind the footy.

As far as this book on AFL you want me to read...How many books on AFL have you read plugger? Is that how you learnt about footy? In fact, forget AFL...how many books in total have you read? Call me braindead - that's rich coming from someone with a lower than average IQ? You are as stubborn as an ass when it comes to your biased views on certain players and 90% of your posts do not add anything by way of intelligent thoughts or ideas or points of discussion. I agree with everyone that's ever called you a tool because with nearly every one of your prolific posts on here, you keep giving us more reason to conclude that you are a massive tool. And a coward!!!!

[andrewg]

Armo is as tought as they come.
At least Jack gets te ball, Montagna looked great all night and never turned it over problem was he never had the footy!

[SainterK]

Is this the one that Dempster kicked and it sailed over?

[BigMart]

So I can state as fact he will retire??? Gawd almighty

I just reckon an IMO would be assumed by a half intelligent being...

BTW the more we lose, the more likely IMO..... Personally, every time Lenny Hayes plays for STK he is worth an admission price on his own. Personally I would like him to play until he is 36... Not sure scott waters will

[plugger66]

So I can state as fact he will retire??? Gawd almighty

I just reckon an IMO would be assumed by a half intelligent being...

BTW the more we lose, the more likely IMO..... Personally, every time Lenny Hayes plays for STK he is worth an admission price on his own. Personally I would like him to play until he is 36... Not sure scott waters will

Why does losing matter? Did it help Melbourne that James McDonald was forced to retire. Players can actually learn from watching and if you knew the game you can never really have to many mids and next year there is also likely to be the 2 and 2 sub rule. That will help even more. Lenny will retire when his form suggests he should or when it is good for the club. Neither of those look likely in the next couple of years. I am going to state an opinion. I dont think Lenny will retire till at least the end of 2013.