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cwrcyn wrote:Someone else had posted that the quality of talls in this draft was quite poor beyond the first round. If that is true, then the club's strategy seems sound. I know many are concerned with our ageing taller players in Koschitzke, Riewoldt, Blake, and Fisher, but be also have ageing midfielders in DalSanto, Hayes, Montagna, Jones, and Peake.
Because of poor list management from 2006 to 2009, we find ourselves in a bit of a bind, trying to put together a succession plan for a large group of talls and midfielders who are 28 or older. Therefore, it is unfair to criticize the strategy employed in this draft by Elshaugh, Pelchen, & co.
Hopefully, next year's draft will provide more tall options for us, and if Goddard flies north to GWS (which is realistically a 50/50 bet), we may have some purchasing power to get the KPPs we need.
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Some good points in this post........
Grab some talls in the 2012 Draft that has been rated to go a lot deeper talent wise than the draft just completed.......
Not an exact science this draft caper....it's a tough gig but that guy at Geelong knows his stuff....he gets a lot right....even when they're not father/son selections....
How many defenders will The Saints pick in the 2024 draft ?
clarky449 wrote:Im starting to look forward to 2016 when all these players mature.
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That's the year when all the Gold Coast priority and first round picks mature.
They will sweep the field.
I dread the last half of the teens, Gold Coast playing Greater Western Sydney in every grand final.
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clarky449 wrote:Im starting to look forward to 2016 when all these players mature.
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That's the year when all the Gold Coast priority and first round picks mature.
They will sweep the field.
I dread the last half of the teens, Gold Coast playing Greater Western Sydney in every grand final.
Dont they have salary caps. By then their salary cap will be the same as other sides so if their players become so good they will not be able to keep them. It just will not happen. They may win one or two each but through good recruiting most clubs will challenge during this decade. The seret is to win the silly thing. Something we just couldnt do.
We took two already with the picks we have. Wilkes would seem destined to be giving a crack in Round One in the starting 22.
Dowler is still a strong chance for a rookie spot.
The area that we do look light in, IMO is ruck and so perhaps the recruiters have someone in mind for the rookie draft.
Personally I think we had a nice blend of players taken this year.
Our existing midfield lacks depth, and with young players we got last year while I like them as recruits most were not true mids. Midfield is the engine room of football at present and with the floating mall of players you need players than keep up wit the play.
Our forward line in 2011 lacked depth.
Now while many of this years picks will be more about 2012 and beyond, a number can play in 2011.
Picks are also unpredictable, and not all will make it.
But after two years of better recruiting of young players following half a decade of pretty dismal kid selections we look to have the basis of new blood coming into the tea.
The long lusted for "third tall":
Markworth is interestingly enough 6 months older than Siposs. If one of these two guys can make it, it will add a new dimension to our forward line.
Small forwards:
Saad in particular could play straight away. Milera may not be far away. With their pace and goal sense, one of these layers making it again would add a new dimension to our forward line.
Midfield:
YES we have some real cream already. But our midfield lacks real depth.
We now have aquireda group of young mids over the last two years, and in this year in particular, tat should provide a platform for future years, with some deepening of the pool immediately.
KPP:
If one assumes that Wilkes has been acquired for FB, then we already have CHB covered.
So that leaves FF and CHF....though Watters has flagged he wants three marking targets forward. But one of those could be Siposs Markworth. Dowler may also be rookied (and Dowler may also play FB).
Now Roo is clearly one. Kosi is ok, but limited.
Stanley should come on this year. Yes a ??? for sure. But any young KPP player taken this year would have been for the future rather than 2012.
Ferguson impresses but is raw.
Archer at this stage is perhaps more backup, but is young with further upside.
Ruck:
Only one true ruck at preset in Ben.
Kosi, Stanley and Lever are more KPP that can spell.
So it would not surprise to see a ruckman taken in our rookie picks.
Dowler as KPP would be a chance.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
Looks like our old coach (Lyon) had the same idea as the "knowledgeable" posters on S/S as against the not so, vis., that this WASN'T the year to go for 'talls' in a compromised draft.
Some excerpts from an article in WA Sunday Times....
"Dockers' gamble - Lyon places hopes on 2012 draft to boost talls".
Fremantle will replenish its limited stocks of key position players in next year's looming super draft after taking a calculated gamble by overlooking talls in Thursday's national draft..........................
The club will then launch a raid on key position talent in next year's national draft, which recruiters already believe will be the strongest of the past decade.
It will also be the first undiluted national draft in three years, with the entry concessions granted to Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney compromising the past two player ballots.
Coach Ross Lyon conceded the Dockers needed to add key position depth at both ends but said it could wait one more year.
"There's some need on the list but we didn't want to pull the talls earlier than the talent, he said.
"We just think that the list is in good enough shape that - for the sake of a year and an undiluted draft with all the talls - that there will be a window there to take them.".................................................................
Fremantle took five players in the draft.......... 2x 185cm, 1x 189cm, 1x 177cm & 1x187cm.
So possibly the Saints recruiting team and some of our perceptive posters can also analyse when & why it's best to recruit KKP or talls.......... not just recruiting talls for the sake of it.
I think the most relevant thing Lyon said................. "we didn't want to pull the talls earlier than the talent". Looks like Saints adopted this approach as well.
loris wrote:
So possibly the Saints recruiting team and some of our perceptive posters can also analyse when & why it's best to recruit KKP or talls.......... not just recruiting talls for the sake of it.
I think the most relevant thing Lyon said................. "we didn't want to pull the talls earlier than the talent". Looks like Saints adopted this approach as well.
Didn't post whole article only relevant parts.
I get your point however some of the kpp's we overlooked were still picked up with picks close to ours so they were obviosuly rated, just not by us (or Freo). I still believe we needed to take a risk or two with our picks as our kpp's stocks are quite low and arguably worse off then Freo given our ageing list.
loris wrote:
So possibly the Saints recruiting team and some of our perceptive posters can also analyse when & why it's best to recruit KKP or talls.......... not just recruiting talls for the sake of it.
I think the most relevant thing Lyon said................. "we didn't want to pull the talls earlier than the talent". Looks like Saints adopted this approach as well.
Didn't post whole article only relevant parts.
I get your point however some of the kpp's we overlooked were still picked up with picks close to ours so they were obviosuly rated, just not by us (or Freo). I still believe we needed to take a risk or two with our picks as our kpp's stocks are quite low and arguably worse off then Freo given our ageing list.
A risk like with Cahill, Johnson and Lynch. Well Lynch wasnt a risk just a waste of an early pick.
loris wrote:
So possibly the Saints recruiting team and some of our perceptive posters can also analyse when & why it's best to recruit KKP or talls.......... not just recruiting talls for the sake of it.
I think the most relevant thing Lyon said................. "we didn't want to pull the talls earlier than the talent". Looks like Saints adopted this approach as well.
Didn't post whole article only relevant parts.
I get your point however some of the kpp's we overlooked were still picked up with picks close to ours so they were obviosuly rated, just not by us (or Freo). I still believe we needed to take a risk or two with our picks as our kpp's stocks are quite low and arguably worse off then Freo given our ageing list.
A risk like with Cahill, Johnson and Lynch. Well Lynch wasnt a risk just a waste of an early pick.
So the tall's we overlooked are going to head to the scrap heap like the ones you mentioned? You mind if I borrow your time machine?
Point I make is we didn't rate the tall's whereas other clubs did. All the kids in the draft are risks.
loris wrote:
So possibly the Saints recruiting team and some of our perceptive posters can also analyse when & why it's best to recruit KKP or talls.......... not just recruiting talls for the sake of it.
I think the most relevant thing Lyon said................. "we didn't want to pull the talls earlier than the talent". Looks like Saints adopted this approach as well.
Didn't post whole article only relevant parts.
I get your point however some of the kpp's we overlooked were still picked up with picks close to ours so they were obviosuly rated, just not by us (or Freo). I still believe we needed to take a risk or two with our picks as our kpp's stocks are quite low and arguably worse off then Freo given our ageing list.
loris wrote:
So possibly the Saints recruiting team and some of our perceptive posters can also analyse when & why it's best to recruit KKP or talls.......... not just recruiting talls for the sake of it.
I think the most relevant thing Lyon said................. "we didn't want to pull the talls earlier than the talent". Looks like Saints adopted this approach as well.
Didn't post whole article only relevant parts.
I get your point however some of the kpp's we overlooked were still picked up with picks close to ours so they were obviosuly rated, just not by us (or Freo). I still believe we needed to take a risk or two with our picks as our kpp's stocks are quite low and arguably worse off then Freo given our ageing list.
loris wrote:
So possibly the Saints recruiting team and some of our perceptive posters can also analyse when & why it's best to recruit KKP or talls.......... not just recruiting talls for the sake of it.
I think the most relevant thing Lyon said................. "we didn't want to pull the talls earlier than the talent". Looks like Saints adopted this approach as well.
Didn't post whole article only relevant parts.
I get your point however some of the kpp's we overlooked were still picked up with picks close to ours so they were obviosuly rated, just not by us (or Freo). I still believe we needed to take a risk or two with our picks as our kpp's stocks are quite low and arguably worse off then Freo given our ageing list.
Yep article mentions those aging Freo players, plus F/B Grover 32. They think inclusion of Zac Dawson in pre season draft should help cover both ends of ground for this year.
Yes obviously clubs look for different things depending on age and player positions on their lists. And so the reason for overlooking players other teams will subsequently take up.
Sorry mate even know I don't rate Dawson that highly Freo win that battle hands down. We need KPP's more than Freo IMO.
We are one short IMO. It wasn't going to be solved in this years draft for 2011. Freo probally slightly ahead right now, agree.
But we may have room in the cap next year with Roo going onto the vet's list. Might be able to pick one up. Stanley, Simkin, Archer are all going to get their chance this year. Lets hope one suprises us all.
Sorry mate even know I don't rate Dawson that highly Freo win that battle hands down. We need KPP's more than Freo IMO.
We are one short IMO. It wasn't going to be solved in this years draft for 2011. Freo probally slightly ahead right now, agree.
But we may have room in the cap next year with Roo going onto the vet's list. Might be able to pick one up. Stanley, Simkin, Archer are all going to get their chance this year. Lets hope one suprises us all.
We certainly need some to stand up however Simkin is too small to play on monsters like Cloke. Hopefully WIlkes is alright. The PSD will be interesting too.
Sorry mate even know I don't rate Dawson that highly Freo win that battle hands down. We need KPP's more than Freo IMO.
We are one short IMO. It wasn't going to be solved in this years draft for 2011. Freo probally slightly ahead right now, agree.
But we may have room in the cap next year with Roo going onto the vet's list. Might be able to pick one up. Stanley, Simkin, Archer are all going to get their chance this year. Lets hope one suprises us all.
We certainly need some to stand up however Simkin is too small to play on monsters like Cloke. Hopefully WIlkes is alright. The PSD will be interesting too.
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clarky449 wrote:Im starting to look forward to 2016 when all these players mature.
'
That's the year when all the Gold Coast priority and first round picks mature.
They will sweep the field.
I dread the last half of the teens, Gold Coast playing Greater Western Sydney in every grand final.
Dont they have salary caps. By then their salary cap will be the same as other sides so if their players become so good they will not be able to keep them. It just will not happen. They may win one or two each but through good recruiting most clubs will challenge during this decade. The seret is to win the silly thing. Something we just couldnt do.
I don't have blind faith that the AFL will not tinker with the rules to stop that from happening. They have done it before.
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