David Armitage

[plugger66]

He's too inconsistent for mine. Plays one good game...a couple of poor games and so on. He probably is being played out of position but if we're for real we should look at trading him while he has some value...or spade him whatever.

So you reckon about pick 30 would be good for Armo and then take the risk of devoping someone that may be a good player but more likely not as good as Armo. No point. Keep him unless he wants out.

[Moods]

Just reckon the problem with Armo is the same problem he's always had. Intent is always there. However for whatever reason he just doesn't get to enough contests, whether it be fitness or that he just doesn't work hard enough.

When he gets lots of the ball he can have a real effect, b/c he tackles strongly. Hate to say it, but for those ppl who were proclaiming that losing Luke Ball meant that Armo would get his chance and stand up and prove to be a better player were sadly mistaken.

[Old Mate]

He's too inconsistent for mine. Plays one good game...a couple of poor games and so on. He probably is being played out of position but if we're for real we should look at trading him while he has some value...or spade him whatever.

So you reckon about pick 30 would be good for Armo and then take the risk of devoping someone that may be a good player but more likely not as good as Armo. No point. Keep him unless he wants out.

He could be used in some sort of deal. Not necessarily a pick.

[plugger66]

He's too inconsistent for mine. Plays one good game...a couple of poor games and so on. He probably is being played out of position but if we're for real we should look at trading him while he has some value...or spade him whatever.

So you reckon about pick 30 would be good for Armo and then take the risk of devoping someone that may be a good player but more likely not as good as Armo. No point. Keep him unless he wants out.

He could be used in some sort of deal. Not necessarily a pick.

So could just about every player. You could bet 40 of our 45 players are available for the right trade. Maybe every player.

[BigMart]

If he isnt the fittest at the club, he not far off...

Definitly top half dozen.

Big tank...

Ray, geary, eddy, lynch, cripps are the guys who are elite runners at stk..as far as 3k and beep test trials go...

Macca goes ok for a big bloke...

[plugger66]

If he isnt the fittest at the club, he not far off...

Definitly top half dozen.

Big tank...

Ray, geary, eddy, lynch, cripps are the guys who are elite runners at stk..as far as 3k and beep test trials go...

Macca goes ok for a big bloke...

Is there some fact in this one or just a made up story like the Smith one? Never heard of Ray or Lynch being in our top runners but could be wrong. Certainly Ben beats those 2 and maybe Armo.

[Old Mate]

If he isnt the fittest at the club, he not far off...

Definitly top half dozen.

Big tank...

Ray, geary, eddy, lynch, cripps are the guys who are elite runners at stk..as far as 3k and beep test trials go...

Macca goes ok for a big bloke...

I heard Mac did the 3k in under 10 mins. Riewoldt does it in 9 flat. Machine.

[Moods]

If he isnt the fittest at the club, he not far off...

Definitly top half dozen.

Big tank...

Ray, geary, eddy, lynch, cripps are the guys who are elite runners at stk..as far as 3k and beep test trials go...

Macca goes ok for a big bloke...

Well then there's your problem - he's either lazy, too slow, or can't read the play. Where starting to get to the bottom of this...

[BigMart]

Very valuable in three grand finals....the defensive fwd

Dempster, mini and eddy excelled in those roles

Maxwell, shaw and co....thought definitely enjoyedbthe role

[Dr Spaceman]

Can we possibly let these blokes finish the year off before we start turfing them out?

A lot can happen in the remaining games.

Go back through threads earlier in the season and you'll find calls to trade McEvoy, Steven, Clarke etc. People were also prepared to write off Peake, Gamble & Polo.

We can't trade or delist anyone until after the season ends so why the need to make a call on Armo now?

[plugger66]

Very valuable in three grand finals....the defensive fwd

Dempster, mini and eddy excelled in those roles

Maxwell, shaw and co....thought definitely enjoyedbthe role

Yep and that is why they have been replaced. Armo is also a in and under clearance player. Cant really say that about the others.

[Old Mate]

He's too inconsistent for mine. Plays one good game...a couple of poor games and so on. He probably is being played out of position but if we're for real we should look at trading him while he has some value...or spade him whatever.

So you reckon about pick 30 would be good for Armo and then take the risk of devoping someone that may be a good player but more likely not as good as Armo. No point. Keep him unless he wants out.

He could be used in some sort of deal. Not necessarily a pick.

So could just about every player. You could bet 40 of our 45 players are available for the right trade. Maybe every player.

Point being I reckon Armo is one of the players clubs may be interested in. No way clubs would be interested in 40 of our players. Maybe 25 of them.

He shows a lot of potential but he's too inconsistent. I wouldn't be surprised if another club got more out of him like Collingwood have with Ball. I don't believe Ross game plan suits his style.

[gringo]

Don't write off players too early, walker is about 15 years into his career and only just come good, same for Daniel wells and Goddard was a late bloomer also. i would back Dave to become an elite player still.

[Old Mate]

Can we possibly let these blokes finish the year off before we start turfing them out?

A lot can happen in the remaining games.

Go back through threads earlier in the season and you'll find calls to trade McEvoy, Steven, Clarke etc. People were also prepared to write off Peake, Gamble & Polo.

We can't trade or delist anyone until after the season ends so why the need to make a call on Armo now?

There aint no prob discussing player trades and delistings during the season imo.

[BigMart]

Just actually watched a bit of pre season running...

Ray came to the club as an elite running mid.....and ross made mention of this when recruited....he runs a high 14 beep, which is elite

Eddy is the best 3k time trial runner at the club

Lynch
5th in his draft camp (go check that one out p66) with the beep, and runs an awesome 3k for a 6'3" I think he was the best tall.
Didnt i already answer the smith question....internet searches are not the only way to know things

Armo is a very strong gut running mid, improved his endurance markedly this pre season ...... From an interview with assistant coach

Blake, hayes, jones are very solid runners

[Mr Magic]

He's too inconsistent for mine. Plays one good game...a couple of poor games and so on. He probably is being played out of position but if we're for real we should look at trading him while he has some value...or spade him whatever.

So you reckon about pick 30 would be good for Armo and then take the risk of devoping someone that may be a good player but more likely not as good as Armo. No point. Keep him unless he wants out.

He could be used in some sort of deal. Not necessarily a pick.

So could just about every player. You could bet 40 of our 45 players are available for the right trade. Maybe every player.

Point being I reckon Armo is one of the players clubs may be interested in. No way clubs would be interested in 40 of our players. Maybe 25 of them.

He shows a lot of potential but he's too inconsistent. I wouldn't be surprised if another club got more out of him like Collingwood have with Ball. I don't believe Ross game plan suits his style.

Can somebody please explain why the defensive HFF is such a 'despised' role at St Kilda by the fans?

I just don't get it.
When the opposition sends a player to 'tag' our running HBF (Goddard, Dal, Gilbert, Fisher have all been 'afflicted' by them) the 'football world' thinks it's pure genius if it works.

We do it to curb the influence of an opposition playmaker and to add to our forward 50 tackling pressure and it's a 'mortal sin' against the team and player????

FFS we play a team sport.
Our CHF is so good that every other team plans to play a 'negater' on him and use another 'sweeper' to be their quarterback (to use the current favourite terminology).

Armo is playing that role really well.
He adds 'steel' to his tackling that Mini/Eddy never had (except for a patch in 2009).
He kicks goals.
He makes the opposition nervous in their backline - inferred pressure.

And yet there are some who think this is a bad thing?

I reckon if Steven hadn't played so well in the middle, Armo would be playing there and we'd be a poorer team for it.
We'd have lost his pressure abiliy in our forward line.

[dcstkfc]

I think the role is despised because it is perceived as being our major weakness in last year's Grand Final replay.

We went in with McQualter, Eddy, Dempster and Jones, whereas Collingwood had Macaffer, Sidebottom, Beames and Blair.

I couldn't see any of our four ever kick more than 2 goals, whereas those Pies are all capable of 3+

[Old Mate]

He's too inconsistent for mine. Plays one good game...a couple of poor games and so on. He probably is being played out of position but if we're for real we should look at trading him while he has some value...or spade him whatever.

So you reckon about pick 30 would be good for Armo and then take the risk of devoping someone that may be a good player but more likely not as good as Armo. No point. Keep him unless he wants out.

He could be used in some sort of deal. Not necessarily a pick.

So could just about every player. You could bet 40 of our 45 players are available for the right trade. Maybe every player.

Point being I reckon Armo is one of the players clubs may be interested in. No way clubs would be interested in 40 of our players. Maybe 25 of them.

He shows a lot of potential but he's too inconsistent. I wouldn't be surprised if another club got more out of him like Collingwood have with Ball. I don't believe Ross game plan suits his style.

Can somebody please explain why the defensive HFF is such a 'despised' role at St Kilda by the fans?

Coz HFF is in the forward line. Forwards should be kicking goals. Of course they should tackle, add pressure and try and win the ball back. So should every player on the field in every position. This defensive HFF role that you speak of is too one dimensional for mine. Stop the player you're playing on from getting the ball and at a very distant second kick goals yourself. How many goals has Armo kicked playing this role? How many did Eddy kick? Mini averaged around a goal a game in one season. That was a success imo. And yes I'm not the coach so my opinion means jack however I'll still give it.

[Old Mate]

I think the role is despised because it is perceived as being our major weakness in last year's Grand Final replay.

We went in with McQualter, Eddy, Dempster and Jones, whereas Collingwood had Macaffer, Sidebottom, Beames and Blair.

I couldn't see any of our four ever kick more than 2 goals, whereas those Pies are all capable of 3+

Spot on mate.

[plugger66]

I think the role is despised because it is perceived as being our major weakness in last year's Grand Final replay.

We went in with McQualter, Eddy, Dempster and Jones, whereas Collingwood had Macaffer, Sidebottom, Beames and Blair.

I couldn't see any of our four ever kick more than 2 goals, whereas those Pies are all capable of 3+

Spot on mate.

Yep and that is why none of those are playing there now. Armo is and since he has been there and Steven in the middle we have won about 7 of 9 games. Surely winning is more important then Armo playing in the middle of the ground all game or even most of it.

[Dr Spaceman]

Against the Crows Armo was one of our best according to the coaches and saintsational voters.

Has a quiet game on the Gold Coast, possibly aided by injury, and all of a sudden he's not up to it and should be traded.

A week sure is a long time in football.

[Old Mate]

I think the role is despised because it is perceived as being our major weakness in last year's Grand Final replay.

We went in with McQualter, Eddy, Dempster and Jones, whereas Collingwood had Macaffer, Sidebottom, Beames and Blair.

I couldn't see any of our four ever kick more than 2 goals, whereas those Pies are all capable of 3+

Spot on mate.

Yep and that is why none of those are playing there now. Armo is and since he has been there and Steven in the middle we have won about 7 of 9 games. Surely winning is more important then Armo playing in the middle of the ground all game or even most of it.

You can't say that there is a direct correlation with that one move and us winning. Put Steven out of the middle and Armo in the middle and it doesn't mean we automatically lose 7 from 9 instead of winning 7 from 9. Seriously dude the whole team has improved and not just because of that one move.

Isn't it obvious that our deficiency is kicking goals? We're a good team however we are not perfect. I would like to see our forwards being more offensive. Too much emphasis on defence imo.

[Old Mate]

Against the Crows Armo was one of our best according to the coaches and saintsational voters.

Has a quiet game on the Gold Coast, possibly aided by injury, and all of a sudden he's not up to it and should be traded.

A week sure is a long time in football.

He played well verse the Crows and that's the point. I've been saying he's been inconstant all year and that he could be used as trade bait if we can get the right deal. And yes a week is a long time in football, that's why that quote is used so frequently.

[plugger66]

I think the role is despised because it is perceived as being our major weakness in last year's Grand Final replay.

We went in with McQualter, Eddy, Dempster and Jones, whereas Collingwood had Macaffer, Sidebottom, Beames and Blair.

I couldn't see any of our four ever kick more than 2 goals, whereas those Pies are all capable of 3+

Spot on mate.

Yep and that is why none of those are playing there now. Armo is and since he has been there and Steven in the middle we have won about 7 of 9 games. Surely winning is more important then Armo playing in the middle of the ground all game or even most of it.

You can't say that there is a direct correlation with that one move and us winning. Put Steven out of the middle and Armo in the middle and it doesn't mean we automatically lose 7 from 9 instead of winning 7 from 9. Seriously dude the whole team has improved and not just because of that one move.

Isn't it obvious that our deficiency is kicking goals? We're a good team however we are not perfect. I would like to see our forwards being more offensive. Too much emphasis on defence imo.

Of course it has no direct correlation but it also hasnt hurt. Id love to know who you would play in that position to magically kick some goals. Surely if there was a person for that position he would have been played there already. Got any names for me?

[Old Mate]

I think the role is despised because it is perceived as being our major weakness in last year's Grand Final replay.

We went in with McQualter, Eddy, Dempster and Jones, whereas Collingwood had Macaffer, Sidebottom, Beames and Blair.

I couldn't see any of our four ever kick more than 2 goals, whereas those Pies are all capable of 3+

Spot on mate.

Yep and that is why none of those are playing there now. Armo is and since he has been there and Steven in the middle we have won about 7 of 9 games. Surely winning is more important then Armo playing in the middle of the ground all game or even most of it.

You can't say that there is a direct correlation with that one move and us winning. Put Steven out of the middle and Armo in the middle and it doesn't mean we automatically lose 7 from 9 instead of winning 7 from 9. Seriously dude the whole team has improved and not just because of that one move.

Isn't it obvious that our deficiency is kicking goals? We're a good team however we are not perfect. I would like to see our forwards being more offensive. Too much emphasis on defence imo.

Of course it has no direct correlation but it also hasnt hurt. Id love to know who you would play in that position to magically kick some goals. Surely if there was a person for that position he would have been played there already. Got any names for me?

Honestly, I doubt we have any other players that could play in the forward line to kick goals. Like I said, too much emphasis on defence.