Tough 9 Months...

[#1GILL]

Purple monkey dish washer.

exactly

[rodgerfox]

BJ's comments were almost those of resignation. And clearly the performance the following week supported that.

Yep BJ's performance in GF2 clearly backed up his words from the week before

His words were about the team. And they were backed up completely in week 2.
We were done. Cooked. Spent. We gave it our best shot and didn't cut it in the end.

We played like a team that knew they weren't up to it in week 2.

To be honest, Im getting alittle tired of people bemoaning how rubbish we were in GF2.

The more concerning thing was GF1.

We copped Collingwood off their game, and couldn't win. We had guys giving everything, and still weren't good enough to beat a team off their game and who kicked poorly.

[SainterK]

The more concerning thing was GF1.

We copped Collingwood off their game, and couldn't win. We had guys giving everything and still weren't good enough to beat a team off their game and who kicked poorly.

The bolded part is why they can't say they gave it their best...

I don't believe Collingwood were off their game as much as guys like Gwilt, Dawson, Dempster, Baker, Farren making some of their stars look ordinary?

[jonesy]

Have to admit, it's very hard to get excited about this season. We have won all the big home and away matches,we have won prelims,yet we have lost the last two grand finals. All we have left is to win a premiership,the ride to that stage is no longer enjoyable,it's all or nothing for me now unfortunatly,was like that last year,this year will be worse.

It will almost be a relief when we start the rebuild

We have been a tormented group of people

[plugger66]

BJ's comments were almost those of resignation. And clearly the performance the following week supported that.

Yep BJ's performance in GF2 clearly backed up his words from the week before

His words were about the team. And they were backed up completely in week 2.
We were done. Cooked. Spent. We gave it our best shot and didn't cut it in the end.

We played like a team that knew they weren't up to it in week 2.

To be honest, Im getting alittle tired of people bemoaning how rubbish we were in GF2.

The more concerning thing was GF1.

We copped Collingwood off their game, and couldn't win. We had guys giving everything, and still weren't good enough to beat a team off their game and who kicked poorly.

I agree. fancy not winning a simple GF when we gave it our best. They are very easy to win and when you give your best and only come away with a draw against side that was probably better than you all year then you are in heaps of trouble.

By the way how did you go following the Saints in the 80's?

[rodgerfox]

The more concerning thing was GF1.

We copped Collingwood off their game, and couldn't win. We had guys giving everything and still weren't good enough to beat a team off their game and who kicked poorly.

The bolded part is why they can't say they gave it their best...

I don't believe Collingwood were off their game as much as guys like Gwilt, Dawson, Dempster, Baker, Farren making some of their stars look ordinary?

It's not neccessarily whether they did give their best or not, it was the mindset of one of the players that suggested (infact he literally stated it) that they'd given it everything, and it wasn't good enough.

It came across as him conceding we just didn't have the goods.

[rodgerfox]

BJ's comments were almost those of resignation. And clearly the performance the following week supported that.

Yep BJ's performance in GF2 clearly backed up his words from the week before

His words were about the team. And they were backed up completely in week 2.
We were done. Cooked. Spent. We gave it our best shot and didn't cut it in the end.

We played like a team that knew they weren't up to it in week 2.

To be honest, Im getting alittle tired of people bemoaning how rubbish we were in GF2.

The more concerning thing was GF1.

We copped Collingwood off their game, and couldn't win. We had guys giving everything, and still weren't good enough to beat a team off their game and who kicked poorly.

I agree. fancy not winning a simple GF when we gave it our best. They are very easy to win and when you give your best and only come away with a draw against side that was probably better than you all year then you are in heaps of trouble.

By the way how did you go following the Saints in the 80's?

Not sure what you mean?

Your response doesn't seem in context with what I was talking about. Are you sure you meant to respond to my post?

[Leo.J]

While I'm concerned about our performance in the last 2 GF's, I'm really only concerned regarding the mental scars that we'll carry if we make it again.

That said, there are 3 factors that may change that, or at least help to elininate that issue.

Firstly the fact that we've had an 80% turn over in our coaching dept.

Second, we need some of our younger guys to step up and take a role... There are 5 - 6 guys that IMO need to be replaced by younger talent, but if the younger talent doesn't present, then I don't think we'll improve. If we can turn over at minimum 3-4 we'll improve. And in doing so the past becomes irrelevant to them.

And as mentioned in the original post I'm hoping that the current issue might harden up those involved...

While Rooey and Dal are stars IMO they are not physical intimidating enough, and sometimes go missing mentally....

If it goes the other way we are history.

IMO as mentioned above, Lenny and BJ did all they could physically do in the GF's in all 3 in fact... It was our other stars that failed.

So imo there is plenty to work with, and there is plenty of potential improvement, however it means nothing unless we win it.

So as I said this season will be tough.

[plugger66]

BJ's comments were almost those of resignation. And clearly the performance the following week supported that.

Yep BJ's performance in GF2 clearly backed up his words from the week before

His words were about the team. And they were backed up completely in week 2.
We were done. Cooked. Spent. We gave it our best shot and didn't cut it in the end.

We played like a team that knew they weren't up to it in week 2.

To be honest, Im getting alittle tired of people bemoaning how rubbish we were in GF2.

The more concerning thing was GF1.

We copped Collingwood off their game, and couldn't win. We had guys giving everything, and still weren't good enough to beat a team off their game and who kicked poorly.

I agree. fancy not winning a simple GF when we gave it our best. They are very easy to win and when you give your best and only come away with a draw against side that was probably better than you all year then you are in heaps of trouble.

By the way how did you go following the Saints in the 80's?

Not sure what you mean?

Your response doesn't seem in context with what I was talking about. Are you sure you meant to respond to my post?

My post makes complete sense to what you posted so yes I was responding to your post.

How did you go following the Saints in the 80's?

[rodgerfox]

While I'm concerned about our performance in the last 2 GF's, I'm really only concerned regarding the mental scars that we'll carry if we make it again.

That's my concern.

Physical performances can be improved if your head decides it wants you to.

If your head isn't right, you're rooted.


And that's why Goddard's comments surprised/concerned me.

It was the first hint of surrender I'd heard in 2-3 years. He sounded broken. He sounded as if he'd just realised we weren't good enough.


If it is infact the case that players are questioning themselves as a premiership team (which to be honest is understandable after losing 2 in a row) then we are rooted.

[rodgerfox]

My post makes complete sense to what you posted so yes I was responding to your post.

How did you go following the Saints in the 80's?

??

I was 5 in the 80s, so I went about aswell as a 5yo kid would go following the footy.

Why do you ask? What does that have to do with my posts?


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[plugger66]

My post makes complete sense to what you posted so yes I was responding to your post.

How did you go following the Saints in the 80's?

??

I was 5 in the 80s, so I went about aswell as a 5yo kid would go following the footy.

Why do you ask? What does that have to do with my posts?
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Didnt have any birthdays in the 80's. Very strange. Anyway my question has nothing to do with any of your posts but then again what does BJ saying after a game have to do with this thread. I must say I find it funny that what BJ said worried you but when someone said BJ did well in the GF you mentioned something like the team didnt though. Unless BJ went and surveyed all the players before he spoke surely he was only talking for himself and as such it didnt seem to effect his game the following week.

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[SainterK]

The more concerning thing was GF1.

We copped Collingwood off their game, and couldn't win. We had guys giving everything and still weren't good enough to beat a team off their game and who kicked poorly.

The bolded part is why they can't say they gave it their best...

I don't believe Collingwood were off their game as much as guys like Gwilt, Dawson, Dempster, Baker, Farren making some of their stars look ordinary?

It's not neccessarily whether they did give their best or not, it was the mindset of one of the players that suggested (infact he literally stated it) that they'd given it everything, and it wasn't good enough.

It came across as him conceding we just didn't have the goods.

He may of thought at the time they had given everything, because he had?

It's quite Brendon Goddard when you think about it...

[SainterK]

My post makes complete sense to what you posted so yes I was responding to your post.

How did you go following the Saints in the 80's?

??

I was 5 in the 80s, so I went about aswell as a 5yo kid would go following the footy.

Why do you ask? What does that have to do with my posts?


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Born in a leap year?

[Leo.J]

While I'm concerned about our performance in the last 2 GF's, I'm really only concerned regarding the mental scars that we'll carry if we make it again.

That's my concern.

Physical performances can be improved if your head decides it wants you to.

If your head isn't right, you're rooted.


And that's why Goddard's comments surprised/concerned me.

It was the first hint of surrender I'd heard in 2-3 years. He sounded broken. He sounded as if he'd just realised we weren't good enough.


If it is infact the case that players are questioning themselves as a premiership team (which to be honest is understandable after losing 2 in a row) then we are rooted.

I'm hoping that a few new personel and hopfully a harder mental edge may change it up a bit.

Regarding the BJ comments, I took it as he was talking in the 3rd person at the time.

As in, we = he BJ. And as he nearly carried us over the line, I think he was speaking from a personal POV.

[Bernard Shakey]

Didnt have any birthdays in the 80's. Very strange.

I was 30 in the eighties. How old were you?

I know it's irrelevant, but you were picking on a five year old. So, how old were you then?

[rodgerfox]

My post makes complete sense to what you posted so yes I was responding to your post.

How did you go following the Saints in the 80's?

??

I was 5 in the 80s, so I went about aswell as a 5yo kid would go following the footy.

Why do you ask? What does that have to do with my posts?
`

Didnt have any birthdays in the 80's. Very strange. Anyway my question has nothing to do with any of your posts but then again what does BJ saying after a game have to do with this thread. I must say I find it funny that what BJ said worried you but when someone said BJ did well in the GF you mentioned something like the team didnt though. Unless BJ went and surveyed all the players before he spoke surely he was only talking for himself and as such it didnt seem to effect his game the following week.

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This thread is suggesting that it will be a tough year mentally for the team.

It mentioned the bubble, and the fact that the players had been able to stay focussed on the prize throughout last year's issues and following a GF loss.

It's suggests that this year will be much harder.


I raised BJ's comments because I felt they showed chinks in the armour of a guy and a team that had seemed to have been inprenitable in terms of their drive and mental state.

Obviously that was only my take on his comments. My interpretation of them.

They worried me as as a supporter I was ready to go again when that siren blew. I thought we had them.

When the microphone went in front of BJ's face I was expecting to hear something along the lines of what most Saints fans were feeling. But instead I heard a deflated and 'unconvinced' guy.

I thought in the context of this thread, it's fair to add this to the discussion.



As for your reply, I have no idea how it fits in.

[plugger66]

My post makes complete sense to what you posted so yes I was responding to your post.

How did you go following the Saints in the 80's?

??

I was 5 in the 80s, so I went about aswell as a 5yo kid would go following the footy.

Why do you ask? What does that have to do with my posts?
`

Didnt have any birthdays in the 80's. Very strange. Anyway my question has nothing to do with any of your posts but then again what does BJ saying after a game have to do with this thread. I must say I find it funny that what BJ said worried you but when someone said BJ did well in the GF you mentioned something like the team didnt though. Unless BJ went and surveyed all the players before he spoke surely he was only talking for himself and as such it didnt seem to effect his game the following week.

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This thread is suggesting that it will be a tough year mentally for the team.

It mentioned the bubble, and the fact that the players had been able to stay focussed on the prize throughout last year's issues and following a GF loss.

It's suggests that this year will be much harder.


I raised BJ's comments because I felt they showed chinks in the armour of a guy and a team that had seemed to have been inprenitable in terms of their drive and mental state.

Obviously that was only my take on his comments. My interpretation of them.

They worried me as as a supporter I was ready to go again when that siren blew. I thought we had them.

When the microphone went in front of BJ's face I was expecting to hear something along the lines of what most Saints fans were feeling. But instead I heard a deflated and 'unconvinced' guy.

I thought in the context of this thread, it's fair to add this to the discussion.



As for your reply, I have no idea how it fits in.

So did it effect how BJ played the next week in your opinion?

[plugger66]

Didnt have any birthdays in the 80's. Very strange.

I was 30 in the eighties. How old were you?

I know it's irrelevant, but you were picking on a five year old. So, how old were you then?

Unlike RF who was 5 years old for all the 80's I was 19 to 29.

[rodgerfox]

So did it effect how BJ played the next week in your opinion?

I didn't see the following week.

But from all reports, it didn't.


However it may well have been an accurate description of the mental state of the rest of the team. Based on the scoreline, we didn't even show up the second week.

Hence me raising it in a thread of this nature. If it was a sign that we aren't 100% switched on, then this year will be a long one.


As I also said earlier, it's totally understandable for a team to lose their belief after getting rolled in two GFs.

[rodgerfox]

Didnt have any birthdays in the 80's. Very strange.

I was 30 in the eighties. How old were you?

I know it's irrelevant, but you were picking on a five year old. So, how old were you then?

Unlike RF who was 5 years old for all the 80's I was 19 to 29.

Shiit, you're old.

At your age, you might want to lay off the grog a bit.

[plugger66]

Didnt have any birthdays in the 80's. Very strange.

I was 30 in the eighties. How old were you?

I know it's irrelevant, but you were picking on a five year old. So, how old were you then?

Unlike RF who was 5 years old for all the 80's I was 19 to 29.

Shiit, you're old.

At your age, you might want to lay off the grog a bit.

What does that have to do with this thread? Very strange person you are. By the way are you 6 years old yet afterall you didnt have a birthday in the 80's?

[plugger66]

So did it effect how BJ played the next week in your opinion?

I didn't see the following week.

But from all reports, it didn't.


However it may well have been an accurate description of the mental state of the rest of the team. Based on the scoreline, we didn't even show up the second week.

You obviously are just making up that last comment. You wouldnt have a clue about the mental state of the others and unless BJ surveyed them before he spoke neither would he and considering you said the person who made the comment played well his mental state seemed OK.

[rodgerfox]

Didnt have any birthdays in the 80's. Very strange.

I was 30 in the eighties. How old were you?

I know it's irrelevant, but you were picking on a five year old. So, how old were you then?

Unlike RF who was 5 years old for all the 80's I was 19 to 29.

Shiit, you're old.

At your age, you might want to lay off the grog a bit.

What does that have to do with this thread? Very strange person you are. By the way are you 6 years old yet afterall you didnt have a birthday in the 80's?

I can't believe a 50 year old guy carries on like this.

Staggering.

[plugger66]

Didnt have any birthdays in the 80's. Very strange.

I was 30 in the eighties. How old were you?

I know it's irrelevant, but you were picking on a five year old. So, how old were you then?

Unlike RF who was 5 years old for all the 80's I was 19 to 29.

Shiit, you're old.

At your age, you might want to lay off the grog a bit.

What does that have to do with this thread? Very strange person you are. By the way are you 6 years old yet afterall you didnt have a birthday in the 80's?

I can't believe a 50 year old guy carries on like this.

Staggering.

You are one very sad unit.