WB 18 frees to STK 8

ace · Post: # 915633Post **ace** » Sat 01 May 2010 1:17am

ozrulestrace wrote:Who was umpire 21?

A lot of jumper pulling and holding the ball decisions seemed to be missed down his end

8 Brett Rosebury
21 Simon Meredith
28 Troy Pannell

Moods · Post: # 915634Post **Moods** » Sat 01 May 2010 1:18am

I rarely comment on the umpy's but it's getting more and more frustrating. Was nothing like this last year. Were we getting a good run last year? Has our game style attack on the ball/man changed? I said to my mate half way through the last quarter - 'I can barely remember a free kick being paid to us in the second half' It feels like we're getting the raw end of the stick every week.

ace · Post: # 915640Post **ace** » Sat 01 May 2010 1:19am

Moods wrote:I rarely comment on the umpy's but it's getting more and more frustrating. Was nothing like this last year. Were we getting a good run last year? Has our game style attack on the ball/man changed? I said to my mate half way through the last quarter - 'I can barely remember a free kick being paid to us in the second half' It feels like we're getting the raw end of the stick every week.

St Kilda got a grand total of 2 frees kicks for the entire second half.
The mongrels got 11.

saint patrick · Sat 01 May 2010 1:20am

CURLY wrote:Barry Hall one free kick for the year and it was tonight.

And that was charity

ozrulestrace · Sat 01 May 2010 1:21am

ace wrote:
Moods wrote:I rarely comment on the umpy's but it's getting more and more frustrating. Was nothing like this last year. Were we getting a good run last year? Has our game style attack on the ball/man changed? I said to my mate half way through the last quarter - 'I can barely remember a free kick being paid to us in the second half' It feels like we're getting the raw end of the stick every week.
St Kilda got a grand total of 2 frees kicks for the entire second half.
The mongrels got 11.

That almost matches the first apparent free kick in the third quarter against Port last week. Still can't work out where the rest came from.

Enrico_Misso · Sat 01 May 2010 1:24am

Agree with the Milne and Scheider comments.

But Kosi got a pretty soft one in the first quarter.

degruch · Post: # 915664Post **degruch** » Sat 01 May 2010 1:26am

Enrico_Misso wrote:Agree with the Milne and Scheider comments.

But Kosi got a pretty soft one in the first quarter.

You're not talking about Lake's shove in the back? As Dennis Commettis said "That was a free kick in 1955".

rexy · Post: # 915673Post **rexy** » Sat 01 May 2010 1:29am

Asides from defeders being continually allowed to hold Milne in the contest or when he doesnt have posession I thought the rest of the umpiring was good.

felixleo · Post: # 915679Post **felixleo** » Sat 01 May 2010 1:32am

When there are so little free kicks awarded the ones they do pay are even more vital and I thought we were the worst off but I'm bound to say that.

35...LEGEND · Sat 01 May 2010 8:40am

Solar wrote:worst part of the umpring came when milne handpassed it out and was tackled. No free. within 5 seconds gia gets tackled, he drops the ball and gets holding the man. Was in a very important part of the game and could cost games.

All we ask for is for them to pay them to both sides. Right now we are consistantly not being rewarded for our tackles or hard ball gets

We were screwed over in the last half and when the above happened I completely flipped out.

Be Fuggin' consistent you maggot's.

Sainter_Dad · Sat 01 May 2010 8:48am

saintbob wrote:Can anyone dig up what the offical for and against figures are for the year so far, as I believe we would be a long way behind.

130 to 93 - Differential of 37

Sainter_Dad · Sat 01 May 2010 8:57am

Solar wrote:worst part of the umpring came when milne handpassed it out and was tackled. No free. within 5 seconds gia gets tackled, he drops the ball and gets holding the man. Was in a very important part of the game and could cost games.

All we ask for is for them to pay them to both sides. Right now we are consistantly not being rewarded for our tackles or hard ball gets

Milne needs to learn to stop throwing his hands in the air when tackled without the ball - go to ground son - if you are going to milk it - don't throw your arms up immediately - it looks so staged and pre-planned. let the tackler take you down or find another way to get the umpires attention.

When he handballs infront of himself it is so he can draw the free - but he looks so rehearsed when he does it.

joffaboy · Post: # 915857Post **joffaboy** » Sat 01 May 2010 9:03am

Umpires must have been bad - not even plugger66 is here to defend the indefensible

35...LEGEND · Sat 01 May 2010 9:12am

Sainter_Dad wrote:
Solar wrote:worst part of the umpring came when milne handpassed it out and was tackled. No free. within 5 seconds gia gets tackled, he drops the ball and gets holding the man. Was in a very important part of the game and could cost games.

All we ask for is for them to pay them to both sides. Right now we are consistantly not being rewarded for our tackles or hard ball gets
Milne needs to learn to stop throwing his hands in the air when tackled without the ball - go to ground son - if you are going to milk it - don't throw your arms up immediately - it looks so staged and pre-planned. let the tackler take you down or find another way to get the umpires attention.

When he handballs infront of himself it is so he can draw the free - but he looks so rehearsed when he does it.

Mauled in marking contests.......scragged relentlessly at ground level.........it's crap. A free is a free,rehearsed or otherwise. The maggots have it in for him ATM.........so obvious.

AlpineStars · Sat 01 May 2010 9:26am

Hudson took one straight out of the ruck and was tackled straight away, that has been holding the ball for the past 5 years. We need an explanation from Gieshen why the rules to Milne are different to the rest of the competition.

Mr Magic · Post: # 915873Post **Mr Magic** » Sat 01 May 2010 9:33am

Enrico_Misso wrote:Agree with the Milne and Scheider comments.

But Kosi got a pretty soft one in the first quarter.

Was it 'softer' than the one Roughead got from Jimmy Gwilt (resulted in a goal) just prior to the one not paid to Milne highlighted in this thread?

In the rule book there is no mention of degrees of frees - soft, medium, hard.
A free kick must be paid if there is a transgression of the rules, no matter if it is soft/hard.

The Lake one on Kosi was a deliberate 'push' on Kosi.
Lake was complaining and demonstrating how he didn't use his hands but his shoulder.
Unfortunately for him it makes no difference what you use - a push in the back before the marking contest is always a free kick.
And so it should be.

Liam_G · Post: # 915953Post **Liam_G** » Sat 01 May 2010 11:39am

AlpineStars wrote:Hudson took one straight out of the ruck and was tackled straight away, that has been holding the ball for the past 5 years.

That was the one that really irked me. I know the umps can make mistakes, and maybe they just missed it, but that was the final straw from a large number of holding the ball decisions not paid to us, yet the dogs seemed to win theirs. Consistency is all we ask.

wraiyth · Post: # 916008Post **wraiyth** » Sat 01 May 2010 12:37pm

Mr Magic wrote:
Enrico_Misso wrote:Agree with the Milne and Scheider comments.

But Kosi got a pretty soft one in the first quarter.
Was it 'softer' than the one Roughead got from Jimmy Gwilt (resulted in a goal) just prior to the one not paid to Milne highlighted in this thread?

In the rule book there is no mention of degrees of frees - soft, medium, hard.
A free kick must be paid if there is a transgression of the rules, no matter if it is soft/hard.

The Lake one on Kosi was a deliberate 'push' on Kosi.
Lake was complaining and demonstrating how he didn't use his hands but his shoulder.
Unfortunately for him it makes no difference what you use - a push in the back before the marking contest is always a free kick.
And so it should be.

And they'll always pay it if its two actions, which his definitely was

degruch · Post: # 916141Post **degruch** » Sat 01 May 2010 3:31pm

Mr Magic wrote:Lake was complaining and demonstrating how he didn't use his hands but his shoulder.
Unfortunately for him it makes no difference what you use - a push in the back before the marking contest is always a free kick.
And so it should be.

Not very bright, bless his cotton socks. It was a virtual hip and shoulder in the middle of Kosi's back, but I spose Brian would complain had he kicked Kosi in the middle of the back instead.

Stephen Theodore · Sat 01 May 2010 3:35pm

I thought the umpiring was very gooo, goooooo. Nah, cant bring myself to say it.

Umpiring was adequate tonight

ace · Post: # 916179Post **ace** » Sat 01 May 2010 4:20pm

Stephen Theodore wrote:I thought the umpiring was very gooo, goooooo. Nah, cant bring myself to say it.

Umpiring was adequate tonight

If only the umpires had not missed the free kicks against St Kilda for offside the Doggies would have won.
The linesmen should have raised their flags to help the referee.
The goal umpires should have raised their flags quicker so the referee could see them.

Passing the ball to a player with no-one between him and the goals is clearly a free.
Ask anyone from the A league.

borderbarry · Sat 01 May 2010 5:13pm

What annoys me more than the number of frees paid, is where they are paid. Last night the Dogs got at least two of their six goals from frees. We seem to get most 0f ours in the back half.

samoht · Post: # 916226Post **samoht** » Sat 01 May 2010 5:22pm

Our unsociable, hard at it footy, only explains some of the differential.

At some point the umpires need to realise that Milne actually has a back ... that he isn't staging that too.

MCG-Unit · Post: # 916227Post **MCG-Unit** » Sat 01 May 2010 5:22pm

Not to mention the frees not paid to the Saints and the totally inconsistant umpiring for most of the match

Makes that 8 - 18 actually much worse

WB 'win' the free kick count just about every week

iwantmeseats · Sat 01 May 2010 5:38pm

A number of terrible mis decisions re holding the ball/holding the man against us.

Kosi 50 an absolute joke. The 50 mter penalty is a joke in itself. FAR FAR too harsh for the majority of reasons its given for, FAR too harsh. Blight on the game.