Mitch Owens

[Scollop]

He's a forward, was recruited to be a forward

Are you sure?

I thought he was recruited as a ruckman

Weird….in his U/18’s year they were describing him as “Sandringham Dragons onballer” in this article below

https://www.zerohanger.com/saints-set-f ... ent-93276/

By the way…Unpluggered podcast with Ken Sheldon on that link

If you identify as a mid but the coaches play you in the forward line what should your pro nouns be?

If the coaches don’t play you where you think you should be playing…you could be gettable by other clubs

Is “gettable” a pronoun or just the status on your social media footprint?

I like “gettable”, it kind of suggests you are cheeky yet approachable.

I like your humour

I just don't like your calls on some of our players

[bigcarl]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... 5ff8fd6553


St Kilda coach Ross Lyon says Mitch Owens is a natural forward and will remain in attack despite the Saints’ midfield being put under strain due to injuries.

Owens, who booted 26 goals in a breakout second season, has struggled to replicate his output in 2024 along with much of his side.

The 20-year-old was drafted from St Kilda’s NGA academy with the view he could emerge into a big-bodied midfielder, but Lyon said he was eager to continue playing him as a “power forward”.

It comes despite the Saints missing Mattaes Phillipou (hip), Seb Ross (calf) and Brad Crouch, whose career is under threat as he battles a degenerative knee condition.

Instead of turning to Owens to fill the void in the middle against West Coast on Saturday, Lyon recalled out-of-contract veteran Zak Jones as an on-baller.

The speedy former Swan earnt another chance against Essendon on Saturday with an impressive 26-disposal performance.

AFL great Dermott Brereton called in the pre-season for Owens to shift into the middle, likening his game to Fremantle star Nat Fyfe’s, but Lyon suggested recruiters could have been wrong with how they viewed the No.33 pick.

“We think we play Mitch to his strengths, he produces numbers as a power forward that not many can do,” Lyon said.

“We’re happy with the role he plays. In saying that, he’s been a mobile ruck, he has been inside mid a little bit, but I wouldn’t think that plays to his tools.

“He went late in the draft, and as a power forward he’s done exceptional things as a young player.

“Leo Barry was drafted as a forward, became a great fullback, Justin Leppitsch a key forward, became a dominant key back.

“So I think what happens in the (under-18s), their growth, (recruiters) don’t always get it right.”

Lyon said he was “hopeful” Phillipou – who has emerged as a potent full-time midfielder following an extended stint in the role at VFL level – would be fit for the round 21 clash against Brisbane.

He confirmed St Kilda medical staff were discussing Crouch’s future with him as the 30-year-old battled a knee problem that flared in the pre-season and had kept him to only one senior game.

“That’s all being worked through. It’s a degenerative knee (condition), our medical team is working through it,” Lyon said.

“I know that’s what finished me (Lyon’s playing career), but the difference is he’s a really good player, right?

“He’s certainly been a long-term degenerative knee that we’re trying to get right.”

[repta]

Last year's version of Mitxh was adaptable. Ruck, forward, midfield he got it done.
He looks to be one of those players that can be put into any position and trained up.
Somewhere on the development it has come off the rails. He needs a reset. Preferably before the end of the season to give him the chance in game day to find the ball, find some confidence.
Then over summer he needs to strengthen up. Bulk up. He is getting pushed off the ball and doesn't play strong enough. He is unbalanced and can't hold his feet.
Extra bulk shouldn't take away from him much. He isn't going to be full time mid. Play through the midfield but only on occasions. Rest as a swingman

Most of the time he plays like a stiff breeze will push him off the ball.

[Scollop]

https://www.saintsational.net/viewtopic ... 6#p1996146

[Vortex]

Mitch is a forward, his body size has grown since being recruited and as such his mobility and athletic profile has changed also. Word was he trained like a beast last summer, possibly overstrained according to some training lurkers.

He's not a fultime midfielder, he's a forward that can help out around stoppages.

He screams forward!

Has it written all over him, forward, forward, forward....is a forward.

It's why we need King to give playing Ruck/Forward a go, If my man Coops can develop into AFL standard and play a combo role with Mitch, then with King and RoMa rotating through the forward line we have the possible making of a less predictable and more flexible forward set-up.

Caminiti is an interesting watch over the next few games. Where does he end up playing...could he be the Battle replacement.

This whole plan relies on my man Coops taking the next step.

Can he do it.

Sub plots everywhere.

[Moods]

Well, if he’s such an amazing forward, can we teach him how to kick?

[Vortex]

Well, if he’s such an amazing forward, can we teach him how to kick?

To me he looks like he's improved his set shot routine from those early season games where he looked all at sea when lining up for a set shot.

Dunno, just the optics of it.

[nostalgicsaint]

Mitch is a forward, his body size has grown since being recruited and as such his mobility and athletic profile has changed also. Word was he trained like a beast last summer, possibly overstrained according to some training lurkers.

He's not a fultime midfielder, he's a forward that can help out around stoppages.

He screams forward!

Has it written all over him, forward, forward, forward....is a forward.

It's why we need King to give playing Ruck/Forward a go, If my man Coops can develop into AFL standard and play a combo role with Mitch, then with King and RoMa rotating through the forward line we have the possible making of a less predictable and more flexible forward set-up.

Caminiti is an interesting watch over the next few games. Where does he end up playing...could he be the Battle replacement.

This whole plan relies on my man Coops taking the next step.

Can he do it.

Sub plots everywhere.

Agree with all of this.

Owens
Coops
Hammer
King

What all 4 become will be very interesting.

[Yorkeys]

Well, if he’s such an amazing forward, can we teach him how to kick?

Weren't C.Sharmans kicks from just north of 50 v Eagles things to behold.
Mitch's goal on the run from right flank was great. Nothing wrong with MOs kicking. I see plenty of more lauded forwards miss set shots.
Max is a mighty kick.
TimM nailing one through the eye of a needle was also class.

[Yorkeys]

Mitch is a forward, his body size has grown since being recruited and as such his mobility and athletic profile has changed also. Word was he trained like a beast last summer, possibly overstrained according to some training lurkers.

He's not a fultime midfielder, he's a forward that can help out around stoppages.

He screams forward!

Has it written all over him, forward, forward, forward....is a forward.

It's why we need King to give playing Ruck/Forward a go, If my man Coops can develop into AFL standard and play a combo role with Mitch, then with King and RoMa rotating through the forward line we have the possible making of a less predictable and more flexible forward set-up.

Caminiti is an interesting watch over the next few games. Where does he end up playing...could he be the Battle replacement.

This whole plan relies on my man Coops taking the next step.

Can he do it.

Sub plots everywhere.

Agree with all of this.

Owens
Coops
Hammer
King

What all 4 become will be very interesting.

Well boys and girls, they all lived happily ever after ....but annoyed the heck of those evil opposition nasties.

[saynta]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... 5ff8fd6553


St Kilda coach Ross Lyon says Mitch Owens is a natural forward and will remain in attack despite the Saints’ midfield being put under strain due to injuries.

Owens, who booted 26 goals in a breakout second season, has struggled to replicate his output in 2024 along with much of his side.

The 20-year-old was drafted from St Kilda’s NGA academy with the view he could emerge into a big-bodied midfielder, but Lyon said he was eager to continue playing him as a “power forward”.

It comes despite the Saints missing Mattaes Phillipou (hip), Seb Ross (calf) and Brad Crouch, whose career is under threat as he battles a degenerative knee condition.

Instead of turning to Owens to fill the void in the middle against West Coast on Saturday, Lyon recalled out-of-contract veteran Zak Jones as an on-baller.

The speedy former Swan earnt another chance against Essendon on Saturday with an impressive 26-disposal performance.

AFL great Dermott Brereton called in the pre-season for Owens to shift into the middle, likening his game to Fremantle star Nat Fyfe’s, but Lyon suggested recruiters could have been wrong with how they viewed the No.33 pick.

“We think we play Mitch to his strengths, he produces numbers as a power forward that not many can do,” Lyon said.

“We’re happy with the role he plays. In saying that, he’s been a mobile ruck, he has been inside mid a little bit, but I wouldn’t think that plays to his tools.

“He went late in the draft, and as a power forward he’s done exceptional things as a young player.

“Leo Barry was drafted as a forward, became a great fullback, Justin Leppitsch a key forward, became a dominant key back.

“So I think what happens in the (under-18s), their growth, (recruiters) don’t always get it right.”

Lyon said he was “hopeful” Phillipou – who has emerged as a potent full-time midfielder following an extended stint in the role at VFL level – would be fit for the round 21 clash against Brisbane.

He confirmed St Kilda medical staff were discussing Crouch’s future with him as the 30-year-old battled a knee problem that flared in the pre-season and had kept him to only one senior game.

“That’s all being worked through. It’s a degenerative knee (condition), our medical team is working through it,” Lyon said.

“I know that’s what finished me (Lyon’s playing career), but the difference is he’s a really good player, right?

“He’s certainly been a long-term degenerative knee that we’re trying to get right.”

Bob Murray and Daryl Griffiths were both recruited as forwards and turned out pretty good backmen although Daryl was also a better than average centre at times when Stewart was unavailable

[saynta]

Mitch is a forward, his body size has grown since being recruited and as such his mobility and athletic profile has changed also. Word was he trained like a beast last summer, possibly overstrained according to some training lurkers.

He's not a fultime midfielder, he's a forward that can help out around stoppages.

He screams forward!

Has it written all over him, forward, forward, forward....is a forward.

It's why we need King to give playing Ruck/Forward a go, If my man Coops can develop into AFL standard and play a combo role with Mitch, then with King and RoMa rotating through the forward line we have the possible making of a less predictable and more flexible forward set-up.

Caminiti is an interesting watch over the next few games. Where does he end up playing...could he be the Battle replacement.

This whole plan relies on my man Coops taking the next step.

Can he do it.

Sub plots everywhere.
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"My man Coops" What a steaming pile of that brown smelly stuff. Your post is really sick making.

[shrodes]

Mentioned this in the WCE match thread, but who teaches these blokes how to kick for goal? Or perhaps it's who's not helping them break bad habits?

His ball drop is so bizarre, when I saw this it is pretty obvious why he is one of our worst shots on goal.
 

[B.M]

Hands are too far behind the ball which results in lack of stability on the drop hence keeping two hands on it too long

BTW
He should definitely NOT be pigeon holed as a forward

Like to see him fwd/mid rotation with Phillipou next year

To give us a 190cm bull mid at stoppage

[bigcarl]

Hands are too far behind the ball which results in lack of stability on the drop hence keeping two hands on it too long

BTW
He should definitely NOT be pigeon holed as a forward

Like to see him fwd/mid rotation with Phillipou next year

To give us a 190cm bull mid at stoppage

Agree, very strong player but 191cm seems a little short for a "power forward". Should have had more of a run in the midfield when we were being beaten there week after week earlier in the season.

[Scollop]

Hands are too far behind the ball which results in lack of stability on the drop hence keeping two hands on it too long

BTW
He should definitely NOT be pigeon holed as a forward

Like to see him fwd/mid rotation with Phillipou next year

To give us a 190cm bull mid at stoppage

Yeah nah... watching Port tonight, Horne-Francis and Ollie Wines should be permanent forwards. They're the perfect size to be pigeon holed

[The Fireman]

Hands are too far behind the ball which results in lack of stability on the drop hence keeping two hands on it too long

BTW
He should definitely NOT be pigeon holed as a forward

Like to see him fwd/mid rotation with Phillipou next year

To give us a 190cm bull mid at stoppage

Yeah nah... watching Port tonight, Horne-Francis and Ollie Wines should be permanent forwards. They're the perfect size to be pigeon holed

How good was it see port shut that rabid paperbaggers crowd up

[Scollop]

Hands are too far behind the ball which results in lack of stability on the drop hence keeping two hands on it too long

BTW
He should definitely NOT be pigeon holed as a forward

Like to see him fwd/mid rotation with Phillipou next year

To give us a 190cm bull mid at stoppage

Yeah nah... watching Port tonight, Horne-Francis and Ollie Wines should be permanent forwards. They're the perfect size to be pigeon holed

How good was it see port shut that rabid paperbaggers crowd up

[Mr Magic]

Hands are too far behind the ball which results in lack of stability on the drop hence keeping two hands on it too long

BTW
He should definitely NOT be pigeon holed as a forward

Like to see him fwd/mid rotation with Phillipou next year

To give us a 190cm bull mid at stoppage

Yeah nah... watching Port tonight, Horne-Francis and Ollie Wines should be permanent forwards. They're the perfect size to be pigeon holed

How good was it see port shut that rabid paperbaggers crowd up

Some observations as a neutral observer
Curnow is good but I wish King got the same protection from the umpires as him. Every free kick he got was technically there but rarely paid to others.
Cripps is strong but there must be an unwritten rule that bans him being pinged holding the ball. Even the new interpretation is not paid against him.
Port were absolutely monstered physically in the second quarter
Carlton though the game was over at halftime
Horne Francis is a beast
Charley Dixon is a liability now

[Moods]

Mentioned this in the WCE match thread, but who teaches these blokes how to kick for goal? Or perhaps it's who's not helping them break bad habits?

His ball drop is so bizarre, when I saw this it is pretty obvious why he is one of our worst shots on goal.
 

Exactly! He’s holding the ball way too high in his hands. Grip should be mid range to lower on the ball

[Sainter_Dad]

Travelling at 59% of scoring shots being goals - 16/11 at present and is 4th on our goal kicking ladder

Max 19/12
Members 21/6
Higgins 28/16

I bet Membrey surprised a few with those stats (made better by 5/0 last week)

[SAINT-LEE]

Well, if he’s such an amazing forward, can we teach him how to kick?

Kicking for goal effeceincy:

King <50% & Owens 46%...they really need some help!

[SAINT-LEE]

Travelling at 59% of scoring shots being goals - 16/11 at present and is 4th on our goal kicking ladder

Max 19/12
Members 21/6
Higgins 28/16

I bet Membrey surprised a few with those stats (made better by 5/0 last week)

Im 100% supportive of the lads.

But a true indicator is Shots At Goal.

Mitch Owens has had 39 shots at goal.
He has had only 29 of those shots produce a score.
17 goals
12 behinds.

That is a 43.6% of shots produce a goal, below AFL standard.
He is improving though, hopefully more time in the forward zone may help.

But 10 complete misses ain't nothing ( out on full, fell short opponent mark, etc).
His West Coast & GWS games were elite.

Higgins has had insane improvement from 2023 >2024.
2023: He was 43.4% goal scoring shots from 83 shots.
2024: He is 55.6% goal scoring shots from 54 shots.

2024 Max is 50% goal scoring shots from 38 down from 54.9% goal scoring shots from 51 attempts in 2023.

Membrey is killing it. He's always had great %, his set shot is pretty close to 65-70% accurate. Totally ELITE

[Scollop]

He was terrific today. Equal best for score involvements + goal assists with 8 and 3. That's the same as Steele (he's pathetic/should be stripped of the captaincy and/or traded) and Cooper Sharman

Owens had the most Inside 50's of any player with 5. He took 9 marks. 3 contested. 4 marks were inside 50.

Sure ...he needs to improve in some areas...people need to be reminded. He's only 20 years of age. He's a jet.

[SAINT-LEE]

He was terrific today. Equal best for score involvements + goal assists with 8 and 3. That's the same as Steele (he's pathetic/should be stripped of the captaincy and/or traded) and Cooper Sharman

Owens had the most Inside 50's of any player with 5. He took 9 marks. 3 contested. 4 marks were inside 50.

Some people need to be reminded. He's only 20 years of age. He's a jet.

Although bit harsh on Steele.