Jade, staying or going

[WellardSaint]

I'd like to trade him ..if we can get a good second round pick for him. He is in the same basket as Jones ..total hit and miss players who lack the consistency needed . We need to find better players and need to trade people like Gresham to find them . He is really a 50 /50 player .one good game one poor game ..it's not good enough and wouldn't surprise me if Ross trades him.

I think this is quite a sensible, objective post, bravo.
I would agree with you, but...
I think our squad had been hampered in the past by a combination of coaches, game plan, and maybe players who couldn't execute basic skills even under little pressure.

I'd give him until later in the season before passing judgement on him- give him a chance under our new coaches, to see if they can turn him around.
By then the coaches will be able to tell SoS whether he fits our long term plans.

Ross has said that he came in not knowing much about us.
Of course he knew about our squad, as he was a keen media observer, but he was an outsider.
He needed to be on the inside to get the best idea about their strengths and weaknesses.
This year is about finding out who stays and who goes

[B.M]

He’s a free agent

Other clubs don’t need to trade for him

What are the odds a second rounder will be better or even as good

Rhys Stanley for pick 21 (Hugh Goddard)
We were laughing all the way to the bank

Hugh has come and gone - Rhys is now a premiership player who is STILL playing

[SaintPav]

Trade Gresham for a second round pick. Lol.

[Trev from the Bush]

Total speculation. Apart from the obvious, why the hell would he got to Hawthorn?

Does The Age ever get anything right? A terrible newspaper but then again all newspapers are terrible these days.

The Age has only ever had three uses.
Back when I was kid

1. The fish and chip shop would wrap them in grease proof paper and then in The Age.
Eventually it was deemed too un hygienic.

2. You would lay The Age out on the kitchen floor, tip your kitchen rubbish bin contents on top, wrap it up and put in the main rubbish bin.
This practice was later replaced with plastic bags, but think of the plastic bags that would save it were to return.

3. You would leave a few copies of the The Age in the WC so that if you ran out of toilet paper you had a substitute.
Potential problems with printer ink and cheap price and availability of proper toilet paper caused this practice to cease.

So to summarise The Age is now not fit to wrap your food in, not fit to wrap your rubbish in and not fit to wipe your ar$e on.

Saturday's Age, pre-internet with all its layers of supplements and classified advertisements, was highly sought by homeless gentlemen seeking a warm place to sleep in Melbourne's public parks and gardens. Cruelly known as a derro's doona.

[older saint]

If he wants to leave will be free agency based and therefore compensation will be based on his salary . EG if Hawthorn for example likely he will be a very highly paid player on their list and potential for first round compo.

That said prefer he didn't leave as has something we lack on the talent list at the moment.

[Sanctorum]

Sorry to digress, the following has nothing to do with Jade Gresham's future, but it brought back memories of growing up in Melbourne in the 1950s.

As a kid from a 7 kid piss-poor migrant family our parents could only afford to buy a modest 4 BR brick veneer home close to Springvale railway station when we arrived in 1951.

It was 10 years before sewerage was connected so like all our neighbours we had a backyard dunny.

I reckon we were probably the only family in Victoria that had a 'two-seater' and believe me, by the time the dunnyman collected the cans in the early hours once a week they were almost overflowing because to make a few quid our parents rented the main bedroom to a couple of boarders...at night all the males in the house were required to pee on the compost heap under the fig tree, which produced the most delicious fruit!

And if you're wondering - no we never did our business together; but my sisters still recall that sometimes when the loo was occupied by our father, who sometimes took ages to evacuate his bowels, they would make a desperate dash down to the Springy station

It was my job to cut up The Age and Herald newspapers into small squares in which I punched a hole and hung on a piece of string in the loo.

Years later if ever I ran out of toilet paper while on routine census patrols in New Guinea, when squatting over a pit latrine I always fell back on newspaper.

The younger generations today haven't a clue what they missed out on....they were such good days.

[cwrcyn]

He's been in a big contract. Since signing his last deal we've added a lot more talent, which means he may not be in the highest bracket of earners from now on. He's a talent, and I'm loathe to let any talent go.

Hope he signs, but if he doesn't intend to I want him to have a ripping year so we get the best possible compensation

[outside66]

A lot of water to go under the bridge but it's looking like a win-win scenario at this point in time. If he stays then I think that's great but if he goes we would be in a position to potentially match the bid and force a trade.

[remboy]

A lot of water to go under the bridge but it's looking like a win-win scenario at this point in time. If he stays then I think that's great but if he goes we would be in a position to potentially match the bid and force a trade.

Similar to Ross and Billings. We make a reasonable offer, his manager looks around, if someone offers him big money we can let him go and get decent compensation, if they don’t he stays with us at fair value.

[SAINT-LEE]

I don’t think he’s been used correctly

Where would you play him?
I find it hard to love or hate him.
He seems to be the real deal.
I want him to be, injuries cruelled a nice ramp he was flying off but the return last year seemed flat.
This year he looks deadly but actions only show bursts of brillance followed by drab.

Dont know what he needs...a new position, a fresh passion, a new team?

It'd be a bloody waste to let him walk off with untapped potential.

[Templar]

If you crumple and scrunch it up it works better. (The paper not the money)

[B.M]

The same way Papley, Kosi and other dangerous small forwards are being used

At stoppage and burst forward

[Sainternist]

Total speculation. Apart from the obvious, why the hell would he got to Hawthorn?

Does The Age ever get anything right? A terrible newspaper but then again all newspapers are terrible these days.

The Age has only ever had three uses.
Back when I was kid

1. The fish and chip shop would wrap them in grease proof paper and then in The Age.
Eventually it was deemed too un hygienic.

2. You would lay The Age out on the kitchen floor, tip your kitchen rubbish bin contents on top, wrap it up and put in the main rubbish bin.
This practice was later replaced with plastic bags, but think of the plastic bags that would save it were to return.

3. You would leave a few copies of the The Age in the WC so that if you ran out of toilet paper you had a substitute.
Potential problems with printer ink and cheap price and availability of proper toilet paper caused this practice to cease.

So to summarise The Age is now not fit to wrap your food in, not fit to wrap your rubbish in and not fit to wipe your ar$e on.

What are you talking about? Before Fairfax went down the crapper, being part owned by mining billionaire scum, it was Melbourne’s leading mainstream newspaper. But I’m guessing you probably prefer Murdoch’s various brands of toilet paper lol

[SAINT-LEE]

The same way Papley, Kosi and other dangerous small forwards are being used

At stoppage and burst forward

Ive wondered if injury has hampered his burst speed? He definitely has shown it. I was sure hed surpass the likes of Steven in the mid but he just hasnt. Id be keen to see him work stoppages. He has the build to be a grind & burst player.

[magnifisaint]

I'm not sure what he offers. His disposal is terrible.

[The_Dud]

I'm not sure what he offers. His disposal is terrible.

Yep, along with his ‘first touch’.

Runs over the ball too much, especially for a small forward. Watch Butler, it’s night and day.

[perfectionist]

He's done his calf by the looks of it. If so, 4 weeks min.

[Ghost Like]

He's been given too much latitude because of what we wish. Gresham & Billings have both struggled with injuries. Billings is the better player & definitely the more honest player.

[ace]

Total speculation. Apart from the obvious, why the hell would he got to Hawthorn?

Does The Age ever get anything right? A terrible newspaper but then again all newspapers are terrible these days.

The Age has only ever had three uses.
Back when I was kid

1. The fish and chip shop would wrap them in grease proof paper and then in The Age.
Eventually it was deemed too un hygienic.

2. You would lay The Age out on the kitchen floor, tip your kitchen rubbish bin contents on top, wrap it up and put in the main rubbish bin.
This practice was later replaced with plastic bags, but think of the plastic bags that would save it were to return.

3. You would leave a few copies of the The Age in the WC so that if you ran out of toilet paper you had a substitute.
Potential problems with printer ink and cheap price and availability of proper toilet paper caused this practice to cease.

So to summarise The Age is now not fit to wrap your food in, not fit to wrap your rubbish in and not fit to wipe your ar$e on.

What are you talking about? Before Fairfax went down the crapper, being part owned by mining billionaire scum, it was Melbourne’s leading mainstream newspaper. But I’m guessing you probably prefer Murdoch’s various brands of toilet paper lol

Way earlier than Fairfax, that I am talking the 1950s.
I was too young to know about owners but during the early 1970s i know it was owned by the Syme family.
But nothing has changed other than it is no longer a broadsheet.

Murdoch had not started The Australian, there was The Sun in the morning and then various editions of The Herald published during day.
I don't know who owned them back then.

[ace]

He's been given too much latitude because of what we wish. Gresham & Billings have both struggled with injuries. Billings is the better player & definitely the more honest player.

Challenging the honesty of an indigenous player without massive proof could be considered racist.
You may get a response from the AFL banning you for life.