B.M wrote: ↑Tue 13 Apr 2021 6:06pm
You don’t think we have whipping boys?!
Fair dinkum, Seb Ross has won 2 B&Fs and he’s still the one we want out of the side!!!
Lonie has one quiet game (was one of the better players in the debacle vs Essendon)
And he doesn’t just get questioned - we want him gone!!!
For a slow mid - Dunstan?? Go figure???
We have a long and proud tradition on SS of zeroing in on a player, waiting and watching for their every fault and venting our spleens on this very forum!!
Read the match day threads FFS!!!
Lonie has long been a whipping boy, generally due to his size... which means FA!
He even gets compared to Caleb Daniel, who is also a small, but plays a completely different position??
Speaking of short
Brent Harvey, Sam Mitchell, Dane Zorko, Rory Laird, Marc Murphy just to name a few who were short, but effective.
In the land of Giant midfielders 190+
Two recent Brownlow medallists are 178cm
Lonie at 174 is short, but really, you need small forwards to be good at ground level and generally speaking, shorter players are better at ground level
We have two talks
King 202
Resting Ruck
1 medium
Membrey 188
Three small
Butler 182
Higgins 178
Lonie 174
Good mix IMO
If we say, swapped Battle and Lonie - I’d be concerned about our ground balls.
Couple of things.
Seb is a whipping boy because his numerous and sometimes insignificant disposal count is valued more than contested possessions or contested marks or match winning inspirational goals from other players. I am so sick of tv or radio footy commentators spewing out statistics just before the final quarter and telling us how good someone played based on a possession count.
It’s the same reason that many footy purists don’t value the Brownlow medal these days
I value 4-5 contested marks from RoMa more than 15-20 short kicks or handballs from a mid
Do you? Sure it depends on the specific moment in a match and the chain of possessions before and after
Who inspires the team? Marshall or Seb?
We’ve been through this before, but have a look specifically at the game on the weekend. The coaches gave Marshall votes. Why?
Seb has earnt his success through hard work and no one can take that away from him, but we’re allowed to have an opinion aren’t we?
Seb shouldn’t have won the B&F in 2017 imo and was lucky to win again in 2019
Robbo was better overall imo and more of an influence to team success in 2017
Marshall was more of an influence to team success in 2019. This is just my opinion and I’m sticking to it.
As far as Lonie is concerned, it’s not his size that is the issue. It’s his inability to stick tackles and his wastefulenss.
Size is not an issue as far as our talls ability to win contested ground ball. Skunk and Winx are elite below their knees imo
I think King is brilliant with the loose ground ball. Max's pressure and tackling were good.
King is also quick, so even though he's 6' 10" he showed he can 'play like a small', so Lonie goes out for mine
Butler and Billings showed good form and were brilliant with crumbing goals
Add Snags and add the agile and fast King and there's no room for Lonie imo