Paddy

[saintsRrising]

Locket started in the pocket and not at ff.

[sunsaint]

At the time Wasn't he 17 - 130lb and played in era when the Backman actually tried to kill you?

[Rocket]

McCartin looks overweight. He may have lost some puppy fat pre-Xmas then did his ankle and put back on.

Read a comment re Brereton saying he doesn’t use his body. Totally correct. Needs to be coached.

Question is - will Richo stock with him or bring Battle in ? I’d be playing Battle, he looks like the type of player that would do better at a higher level. Kicks ball well, leads without just pointing (what our forwards do regularly).

[MC Gusto]

If battle is to come
In, which I’d like to see, I think it should be for Bruce.

Paddy has been far from our worst. The ball has hardly made it into the fwd 50 for Christ’s sake. When it does it’s bog awful

Give paddy a month eg 2 more if he’s still averaging less than 10 disposals then drop him

[spert]

I saw Lockett in his younger days, he had that something special that Paddy hasn't got, and used his bulk a lot better.

[Dr Spaceman]

Paddy has been far from our worst. The ball has hardly made it into the fwd 50 for Christ’s sake. When it does it’s bog awful

Oh come on, the delivery into the fwd 50 to Paddy is no worse than was provided to Nick Riewoldt!





Oh, that's right

[Mr Magic]

After watching the first 2 games my opinion of Paddy has changed.
I don't know if it's the result of changing the way he plays to avoid the 'concussion issue' but he doesn't appear to me to be 'hitting the packs' like he did previously.
It's almost like he's playing a 'cautious' style of game.
In the past I, and many others, marvelled at his ability to 'crash' into the pack and cause a spillage at the very least.
Now he is often and easily out marked.

[WellardSaint]

Paddy has been far from our worst. The ball has hardly made it into the fwd 50 for Christ’s sake. When it does it’s bog awful

Oh come on, the delivery into the fwd 50 to Paddy is no worse than was provided to Nick Riewoldt!





Oh, that's right

i read somewhere that we had only 7 entries into F50 in the second half.
Is that true, or fake news?

Certainly seemed that way...
Stifled all game

[Crossy66]

Paddy has been far from our worst. The ball has hardly made it into the fwd 50 for Christ’s sake. When it does it’s bog awful

Oh come on, the delivery into the fwd 50 to Paddy is no worse than was provided to Nick Riewoldt!





Oh, that's right

i read somewhere that we had only 7 entries into F50 in the second half.
Is that true, or fake news?

Certainly seemed that way...
Stifled all game

No forward would have a chance the way the ball is coming down so far this year. Either way, Paddy needs a run of games , so should put this thread to bed for 6 - 8 rounds.
BTW, the comparisons to Lockett are futile. In part because he was probably the greatest ever, in part because it was a different time and a different game.

I sometimes wonder how Plugger would go in todays game. I still think he would dominate, he would just have lost around 20k's to do it.

[Drake Huggins]

After watching the first 2 games my opinion of Paddy has changed.
I don't know if it's the result of changing the way he plays to avoid the 'concussion issue' but he doesn't appear to me to be 'hitting the packs' like he did previously.
It's almost like he's playing a 'cautious' style of game.
In the past I, and many others, marvelled at his ability to 'crash' into the pack and cause a spillage at the very least.
Now he is often and easily out marked.

Definitely, MM. Look back at his highlights from 2015-6. Last year really cruelled him. His confidence seems shot.

[Drake Huggins]

Paddy has been far from our worst. The ball has hardly made it into the fwd 50 for Christ’s sake. When it does it’s bog awful

Oh come on, the delivery into the fwd 50 to Paddy is no worse than was provided to Nick Riewoldt!





Oh, that's right

i read somewhere that we had only 7 entries into F50 in the second half.
Is that true, or fake news?

Certainly seemed that way...
Stifled all game

No forward would have a chance the way the ball is coming down so far this year. Either way, Paddy needs a run of games , so should put this thread to bed for 6 - 8 rounds.
BTW, the comparisons to Lockett are futile. In part because he was probably the greatest ever, in part because it was a different time and a different game.

I sometimes wonder how Plugger would go in todays game. I still think he would dominate, he would just have lost around 20k's to do it.

Have you seen him lately, Crossy?. Looks like a slightly less creepy version of Peter Garrett. Almost unrecognisable. Down to 93 kilos, similar weight to Roo. Down 34 kilograms from his heaviest when playing for us. Reckon he'd still be the greatest if he was playing today.

[bigred]

Yeah righto...

Lets just compare him to the best forward in the game's history.

Lets just get some games into him first can we?

[Moods]

After watching the first 2 games my opinion of Paddy has changed.
I don't know if it's the result of changing the way he plays to avoid the 'concussion issue' but he doesn't appear to me to be 'hitting the packs' like he did previously.
It's almost like he's playing a 'cautious' style of game.
In the past I, and many others, marvelled at his ability to 'crash' into the pack and cause a spillage at the very least.
Now he is often and easily out marked.

This is a good observation. I can't blame Paddy for changing his style in light of what he's been through, but if he can't impact the contest what use is he? A key fwds role is as much to cause a spillage/contest as it is to mark and kick goals. Right now he's doing neither.

[samoht]

Paddy should study some old tapes of Peter Hudson - and learn to use his "ass"et the same way. Use his lower-body strength and practise leaning forward and thrusting his butt out (and back) at the right moment and in one motion - just before the marking contest - to push his opponent back and away from the drop of the ball. There'd be a couple of times each match - depending on how the ball comes in - where this technique would work for him.

[portosaint]

I know this thread is just about done to death, but I watched this video this morning. Yes, highlights can be deceiving.

This was 2016. Paddy played 11 games between rd 7 - 17, before that injury against the Tigers. Clearly his best year which happens to coincide with his most consistent run of games for the club.

He showed something. More than once. Much can be said for continuity and confidence. He lacks both right now. He might not be worthy of number 1, we all know this, but he can play the game.

[Drake Huggins]

Indeed, portosaint. I was hopeful after 2016 that he was progressing, if somewhat slowly. 2017 was a disaster. The concussions,coupled with the extended break in the second half of the year seems to have drained him of all confidence. Some of the management of him from the club has been puzzling and I don't think has helped him. When you throw in his difficulties with diabetes and some straight out rotten luck and it's little wonder he hasn't come on.

[Spinner]

Membrey going under the radar... Never seen a poorer game from him. Dropped about 5 marks he would normally swallow.

Watching the replay... McCartin good around the ball, couple of tackles (and holding the ball), deft loose ball pick ups and handballs out..... just drops the easy marks for some reason, looks like nerves. Just seems to lack intensity and playing careful... hopefully things turn around.

[Drake Huggins]

Petracca BOG, PIGSARSE, just hangs out the back, gets the Goal Goggles on and forgets to be a teamman!

Paddy Whackers, f*** off!!!!!

OK LF, AFL brings in mid season trading and Melbourne offer a direct trade Petracca for Paddy.
Yes or No?

Would we be able to swap just our midfield for theirs? That'd do. Jesse Hogan is a midfielder.

[portosaint]

Indeed, portosaint. I was hopeful after 2016 that he was progressing, if somewhat slowly. 2017 was a disaster. The concussions,coupled with the extended break in the second half of the year seems to have drained him of all confidence. Some of the management of him from the club has been puzzling and I don't think has helped him. When you throw in his difficulties with diabetes and some straight out rotten luck and it's little wonder he hasn't come on.

Most definitely mate. Poor management is a huge issue. Our abundance of players that fail to comprehend kicking to our forwards advantage doesn't help either. Paddy isn't the only player suffering

[Scollop]

Indeed, portosaint. I was hopeful after 2016 that he was progressing, if somewhat slowly. 2017 was a disaster. The concussions,coupled with the extended break in the second half of the year seems to have drained him of all confidence. Some of the management of him from the club has been puzzling and I don't think has helped him. When you throw in his difficulties with diabetes and some straight out rotten luck and it's little wonder he hasn't come on.

In early 2017 we had a priority to play an unfit legend and bask in the glory of his greatness with every touch he had, no matter whether he was injured or not because it woud always bring a cheer for the crowd and everyone loves seeing a legend run out on the ground.

In other words, we were playing an unfit guy who was on his last legs and was probably never going to be part of another GF team, and keeping another guy out of the team by playing him in the magoos. The guy in the magoos was the guy who we recruited to be the spearhead of our next tilt at the big one. The funny thing, and sad thing for the future prospects of the club, was that the main reason for keeping Paddy from playing in the early rounds of 2017, was that he was unfit. See the hypocrisy and irony?

[Moods]

Indeed, portosaint. I was hopeful after 2016 that he was progressing, if somewhat slowly. 2017 was a disaster. The concussions,coupled with the extended break in the second half of the year seems to have drained him of all confidence. Some of the management of him from the club has been puzzling and I don't think has helped him. When you throw in his difficulties with diabetes and some straight out rotten luck and it's little wonder he hasn't come on.

In early 2017 we had a priority to play an unfit legend and bask in the glory of his greatness with every touch he had, no matter whether he was injured or not because it woud always bring a cheer for the crowd and everyone loves seeing a legend run out on the ground.

In other words, we were playing an unfit guy who was on his last legs and was probably never going to be part of another GF team, and keeping another guy out of the team by playing him in the magoos. The guy in the magoos was the guy who we recruited to be the spearhead of our next tilt at the big one. The funny thing, and sad thing for the future prospects of the club, was that the main reason for keeping Paddy from playing in the early rounds of 2017, was that he was unfit. See the hypocrisy and irony?

Paddy had his chance last year, and we he did he was dreadful. Roo was definitely below par last year as well. Not sure playing Paddy when he was so out of sorts would have changed much.

[bigred]

I know this thread is just about done to death, but I watched this video this morning. Yes, highlights can be deceiving.

This was 2016. Paddy played 11 games between rd 7 - 17, before that injury against the Tigers. Clearly his best year which happens to coincide with his most consistent run of games for the club.

He showed something. More than once. Much can be said for continuity and confidence. He lacks both right now. He might not be worthy of number 1, we all know this, but he can play the game.

Stop making sense.

There is no room for it on this thread. Only reactionary knee jerking and tinfoil hat conspiracies regarding coaching methods..

[saint6709]

Membrey going under the radar... Never seen a poorer game from him. Dropped about 5 marks he would normally swallow.

Watching the replay... McCartin good around the ball, couple of tackles (and holding the ball), deft loose ball pick ups and handballs out..... just drops the easy marks for some reason, looks like nerves. Just seems to lack intensity and playing careful... hopefully things turn around.

Not sure if it's already been posted but I want to see him come out in a helmet and start having a crack - I agree "he Just seems to lack intensity and playing careful... " it's probably because he is probably thinking he is one concussion away from retirement - he needs to get some confidence back - get him in a helmet - then get him fit - and tell to try and keep his feet

[skeptic]

Watching the replay... McCartin good around the ball, couple of tackles (and holding the ball), deft loose ball pick ups and handballs out..... just drops the easy marks for some reason, looks like nerves. Just seems to lack intensity and playing careful... hopefully things turn around.

Really good post Spinner...
I’ve read a lot of posts this week questioning Paddy’s work rate which has been somewhat mystifying to me. What do you think?

As far as marks go, IMO it’s a technique thing... he keeps trying to mark with his hands directly above his head and is leaving the ball way to open to the defence. Reckon he’s playing like he’s bigger than his opponents

[congorozides]

Battle is still only 19.