Simple fact, if we hadn't moved from the Junction Oval, we'd be extinct.
There will never be another game of AFL football played there, just like there will never be another game at the Punt Road Oval, or Victoria Park or Whitten Oval etc.
Unless it is to our advantage financially, unless we are in charge, not forced to be enslaved to CV, and we can get our money back from Seaford than we move.
Tell me, if being connected to the centre of a sprawling metropolis is the key to success, gee why hasn't Melbourne won any premierships for 50 years.
Why hasn't Richmond been in the finals year after year for the last 30 years? But hey, they can get a good latte.
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So the JO has restrictions on its buildings and surrounding environs that would stop development? I'm pretty sure they would allow it if the state govt want it.
yes we will go where we can afford but if you're looking for improved profile JO wins over seafood every day of the week.
There also appears to be an argument from someone that because there is growth in the suburbs that that is a good reason to be there. What absolute bollocks. With media these days you can support any one from any where.
yes we will go where we can afford but if you're looking for improved profile JO wins over seafood every day of the week.
There also appears to be an argument from someone that because there is growth in the suburbs that that is a good reason to be there. What absolute bollocks. With media these days you can support any one from any where.
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3rd generation saint wrote:Simple fact, if we hadn't moved from the Junction Oval, we'd be extinct.
There will never be another game of AFL football played there, just like there will never be another game at the Punt Road Oval, or Victoria Park or Whitten Oval etc.
Unless it is to our advantage financially, unless we are in charge, not forced to be enslaved to CV, and we can get our money back from Seaford than we move.
Tell me, if being connected to the centre of a sprawling metropolis is the key to success, gee why hasn't Melbourne won any premierships for 50 years.
Why hasn't Richmond been in the finals year after year for the last 30 years? But hey, they can get a good latte.
excellent post mate....bloody ripper in fact....
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Waltzing St Kilda wrote:gringo wrote:What I do know is that i see plenty of Saints players at the cafe I go to in St Kilda which is 5 minutes to junction. jack, Geary, Dal, Goddard, Joey and plenty of others. Compared to Seaford where they might have to kill a couple of hours it would be much better. It might not be the main reason but it might add to their general satisfaction levels and make the place seem a little more 21st century and glamourous and make some of the bigger clubs look less enticing. It looks big time instead of back water.
And it's important. To compete realistically with GCS and GWS in a few years' time, not to mention all the other clubs with bigger cheque books, we're gonna need to keep our players so happy that they're willing to accept smaller contracts just to stay.
That means the environment is everything. Not saying it's impossible to manufacture such an atmosphere at Seaford, but it seems easier to do at St Kilda. Or Moorabbin.
Spot on mate. In future free agency players are becoming more of a factor and these players are usually in the higher pay scale so to be able to live in port melb, Sth melb, port melb, Elwood and train in the heart of stkilda could just be the difference.
Put it this way - it won't be a disadvantage compared to coll , rich , north anyway.
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There's what -- 5 to 6 games every weekend in Victoria? And certainly the AFL has been making noises about needing another stadium for boutique games -- at one point they were even talking about re-using Princes Park.
So I don't think it's unrealistic to suggest that games could again be played at JO (if of course a new stadium is built there). Two games a weekend at the MCG, two at Etihad, and one at the JO or Geelong (or both).
JO would be much more appropriate for games like StK v Port, Melb vs WCE and Haw vs GWS, etc.
If the AFL, the State Govt., Port Phillip Council and various club patrons want it, it can be done. It's then up to St Kilda to make sure they're ready to take advantage ... not dithering or thinking up reasons why it can't be done.
So I don't think it's unrealistic to suggest that games could again be played at JO (if of course a new stadium is built there). Two games a weekend at the MCG, two at Etihad, and one at the JO or Geelong (or both).
JO would be much more appropriate for games like StK v Port, Melb vs WCE and Haw vs GWS, etc.
If the AFL, the State Govt., Port Phillip Council and various club patrons want it, it can be done. It's then up to St Kilda to make sure they're ready to take advantage ... not dithering or thinking up reasons why it can't be done.
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If we can get a decent deal out of it, and not get bent over like we did with the Docklands Stadium, we should embrace it.
The problem with this forum is that it seems to be overrun with old school conservative Saints fans from the suburbs, at least judging from the responses to this recent news. The cheer squad looks like a pensioners group and the city supporters are all old-school rock dogs like Tex Perkins and that fella from that s*** band Weddings Parties Anything (I think). Obviously I'm generalising.
I reckon it's high time Saints got some new blood in the supporter base. We are building a team from the ground up to be successful in a few years time, hopefully by then we'll have a few more young open-minded Saints fans to create a bit of a buzz about the team. I agree with the fella that said that success on-field is more important than our address, but why not try and get both on field strength and attractive environment? Sorry to break it to city of Frankston residents, but it will be generations before the sprall has made Seaford the new trendy bayside area. Til then it's deeply unfashionable.
When I was living in Melbourne, Moorabbin was something like an hours drive out into the burbs. Believe me, I only went there for Saints stuff and then I got back into my comfort zone in the inner city. I never even went to Seaford or Frankston, but I read someone on a forum say that Linen House isn't in the nice bit of Seaford near the bay, it's in the rubbish part that no one would hang around in.
I'm a snob, you don't need to tell me. I don't mind. There are more supporters like me, and we buy memberships too. Footy isn't just for one social group, it's for all sorts, especially nowadays. That's why I got into it in the first place. Why not have a presence in a trendy area that markets better?
If the current Saints admin are half-way good at their job, they will have assessed where the drop off in memberships has come from, demographics wise. Maybe if you're an inner city supporter, you wouldn't bother signing up again to a club that has no presence except on home game days, and let's face it, what the hell feels like us at Etihad? The day that Eastern helped organise last season was the first time I'd heard of anything even close to making that stadium feel like home. It might as well be a function room otherwise, no Saints fan is going to go on a pilgrimage to the Docklands to soak up our history.
Running successful football clubs these days is so much more than the sport side. Its a culture. If you guys ever bother to check out other sports like the English Premier League or La Liga, you'd know what I mean. People buy into an identity. AFL is really slow on catching onto this idea, but some clubs are more savvy - Obviously McGuire's mob and the non-Melbourne clubs are good at it. When people think of culture and St Kilda, no one's going to sign up for that. No one is signing up to be part of the big Seaford connection either. We are talking about survival in terms of memberships, whereas the potential is so much more. But we need to embrace change,and create something that people who weren't born into a Saints family or who live in the outer east might possibly be interested in.
When St Kilda does try to market itself, what link does a club training away down in Seaford have to do with St Kilda? What has Luna Park have to do with our club? Collingwood still has a connection to Collingwood, even if they train in the city. When you walk around St Kilda, you can't find anything to do with the football club, maybe a few posters on some bun shops on Ackland St, but that's it. All other clubs have a connection to their name, don't they? (not sure about Hawthorn)
As soon as we moved to Seaford, we had problems and although I have tried to be positive about it, the opinion that it was a bad move in most respects seems unavoidable. What do we do if we get into a fight with the Frankston council? Find an oval somewhere further down Princes Highway?
We're not a bunch of gypsies that are travelling round the country, trying to find real estate that no one else wants. We're being pushed further and further out by the other Melbourne clubs, until we cease being a Melbourne club and become an Eastern Victoria Saints country club. Think of the huge fan base we'll have. I'm sure some of you would love that, and all the other Melbourne clubs would be happy to see us go too.
So either we call ourselves Southern Saints, Seaford Saints or Somewhere Cheap Saints, or we strenghten the links to the Suburb that we came from. We're not going to try and go back to the past and move back there lock stock and barrel, we're playing home games in NZ for goodness sake. It's a training and business base. It's a face. I like the idea about dividing our operations between Morrabbin and JO, but it depends how much the AFL, and CV come to the party. Peter Summers seems like he's going about this the right way, not getting too excited.
If we are going to have a standalone VFL team, it makes sense to have it play games at JO at least sometimes.
Dear me, another rant. Don't worry, I've said my bit, I'm going now. Still got an eye on the team, trying not to waste my life on this forum any more.
No offence.
The problem with this forum is that it seems to be overrun with old school conservative Saints fans from the suburbs, at least judging from the responses to this recent news. The cheer squad looks like a pensioners group and the city supporters are all old-school rock dogs like Tex Perkins and that fella from that s*** band Weddings Parties Anything (I think). Obviously I'm generalising.
I reckon it's high time Saints got some new blood in the supporter base. We are building a team from the ground up to be successful in a few years time, hopefully by then we'll have a few more young open-minded Saints fans to create a bit of a buzz about the team. I agree with the fella that said that success on-field is more important than our address, but why not try and get both on field strength and attractive environment? Sorry to break it to city of Frankston residents, but it will be generations before the sprall has made Seaford the new trendy bayside area. Til then it's deeply unfashionable.
When I was living in Melbourne, Moorabbin was something like an hours drive out into the burbs. Believe me, I only went there for Saints stuff and then I got back into my comfort zone in the inner city. I never even went to Seaford or Frankston, but I read someone on a forum say that Linen House isn't in the nice bit of Seaford near the bay, it's in the rubbish part that no one would hang around in.
I'm a snob, you don't need to tell me. I don't mind. There are more supporters like me, and we buy memberships too. Footy isn't just for one social group, it's for all sorts, especially nowadays. That's why I got into it in the first place. Why not have a presence in a trendy area that markets better?
If the current Saints admin are half-way good at their job, they will have assessed where the drop off in memberships has come from, demographics wise. Maybe if you're an inner city supporter, you wouldn't bother signing up again to a club that has no presence except on home game days, and let's face it, what the hell feels like us at Etihad? The day that Eastern helped organise last season was the first time I'd heard of anything even close to making that stadium feel like home. It might as well be a function room otherwise, no Saints fan is going to go on a pilgrimage to the Docklands to soak up our history.
Running successful football clubs these days is so much more than the sport side. Its a culture. If you guys ever bother to check out other sports like the English Premier League or La Liga, you'd know what I mean. People buy into an identity. AFL is really slow on catching onto this idea, but some clubs are more savvy - Obviously McGuire's mob and the non-Melbourne clubs are good at it. When people think of culture and St Kilda, no one's going to sign up for that. No one is signing up to be part of the big Seaford connection either. We are talking about survival in terms of memberships, whereas the potential is so much more. But we need to embrace change,and create something that people who weren't born into a Saints family or who live in the outer east might possibly be interested in.
When St Kilda does try to market itself, what link does a club training away down in Seaford have to do with St Kilda? What has Luna Park have to do with our club? Collingwood still has a connection to Collingwood, even if they train in the city. When you walk around St Kilda, you can't find anything to do with the football club, maybe a few posters on some bun shops on Ackland St, but that's it. All other clubs have a connection to their name, don't they? (not sure about Hawthorn)
As soon as we moved to Seaford, we had problems and although I have tried to be positive about it, the opinion that it was a bad move in most respects seems unavoidable. What do we do if we get into a fight with the Frankston council? Find an oval somewhere further down Princes Highway?
We're not a bunch of gypsies that are travelling round the country, trying to find real estate that no one else wants. We're being pushed further and further out by the other Melbourne clubs, until we cease being a Melbourne club and become an Eastern Victoria Saints country club. Think of the huge fan base we'll have. I'm sure some of you would love that, and all the other Melbourne clubs would be happy to see us go too.
So either we call ourselves Southern Saints, Seaford Saints or Somewhere Cheap Saints, or we strenghten the links to the Suburb that we came from. We're not going to try and go back to the past and move back there lock stock and barrel, we're playing home games in NZ for goodness sake. It's a training and business base. It's a face. I like the idea about dividing our operations between Morrabbin and JO, but it depends how much the AFL, and CV come to the party. Peter Summers seems like he's going about this the right way, not getting too excited.
If we are going to have a standalone VFL team, it makes sense to have it play games at JO at least sometimes.
Dear me, another rant. Don't worry, I've said my bit, I'm going now. Still got an eye on the team, trying not to waste my life on this forum any more.
No offence.
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Re: St Kilda going home !!
If you ask me, I'd say our real spiritual base is Moorabbin, simple reason why, the premiership.
All St.Kilda supporters loved Moorabbin, the Animal Enclosure, the stand rocking, the higher than average rainfall. Even my Grandfather who lived his whole life in St.Kilda and played for the Cricket Club ( I have his 1909 best and fairest medal) preferred Moorabbin over the Junction Oval.
Because the JO was always associated with an unsuccessful club.
Just remember, while it may be all nice and sentimental to move back there, even if we get a decent deal, the overheads will be higher, such as rates etc.
As I said before, forget about games being played there, wont happen in any lifetimes to come, nobody is going to fork out 250 million dollars plus to build a decent stadium there.
Therefore if we are to based there we will need a decent administrative block to be build, gymnasium, recovery rooms, swimming pool, which will just be for us, not shared with CV.
We will also need a Social Club, a big Social Club that will have to include pokies, and that is something I doubt the local council will allow. Like them or not, they are a mainstream of revenue.
All St.Kilda supporters loved Moorabbin, the Animal Enclosure, the stand rocking, the higher than average rainfall. Even my Grandfather who lived his whole life in St.Kilda and played for the Cricket Club ( I have his 1909 best and fairest medal) preferred Moorabbin over the Junction Oval.
Because the JO was always associated with an unsuccessful club.
Just remember, while it may be all nice and sentimental to move back there, even if we get a decent deal, the overheads will be higher, such as rates etc.
As I said before, forget about games being played there, wont happen in any lifetimes to come, nobody is going to fork out 250 million dollars plus to build a decent stadium there.
Therefore if we are to based there we will need a decent administrative block to be build, gymnasium, recovery rooms, swimming pool, which will just be for us, not shared with CV.
We will also need a Social Club, a big Social Club that will have to include pokies, and that is something I doubt the local council will allow. Like them or not, they are a mainstream of revenue.
Except for the sanity nothing much has been lost.
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Disagree 3GS
I don't associate Moorabbin with success one bit and I can't see how anyone who started following post the mid 70's could? Of course I have plenty of fond memories, but it always felt like an industrial s-hole to me even as a kid... I saw just a few wins in my first 5 or so years of going to the footy there... Reckon it's a bit sad if we are hanging our hat on a flag we one 50 years ago. It won't be too long and no-one living will have a connection to 66...
If we do relocate, let's go to the best spot, not to a memory of our only flag won before colour television.
Look forward not backwards.
I don't associate Moorabbin with success one bit and I can't see how anyone who started following post the mid 70's could? Of course I have plenty of fond memories, but it always felt like an industrial s-hole to me even as a kid... I saw just a few wins in my first 5 or so years of going to the footy there... Reckon it's a bit sad if we are hanging our hat on a flag we one 50 years ago. It won't be too long and no-one living will have a connection to 66...
If we do relocate, let's go to the best spot, not to a memory of our only flag won before colour television.
Look forward not backwards.
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Yeah 'Flogs', bit harsh... Sorry
Just don't like wankers, who believe because they live in 'the inner city' they have a better lifestyle. And constantly bag people who live in the burbs... Those poor bastards In 4 bedroom homes with big back yards and in kid friendly communities.
Personally I wouldn't base my life/house around whether I can go to the footy...but Each to their own.
If I had my way, I'd move out of the city area all together and to the coast... But we have to work
People who bag bayside suburbs are morons IMO
I love the MP, live 30seconds from a beautiful bayside beach, have a terrific local cricket and footy club, live 30mins away from ocean surf beaches and Golf Courses. Bayside MP IMO is a beautiful spot to live.... Although these days it is also very pricey, guess others have cottoned on?...
You can drive or catch a train directly to the city if need be... But honestly, 10 times a year i reckon?...
I also see plenty of StK players in Mordialloc ... Perhaps Should we look at White st Oval?
Just don't like wankers, who believe because they live in 'the inner city' they have a better lifestyle. And constantly bag people who live in the burbs... Those poor bastards In 4 bedroom homes with big back yards and in kid friendly communities.
Personally I wouldn't base my life/house around whether I can go to the footy...but Each to their own.
If I had my way, I'd move out of the city area all together and to the coast... But we have to work
People who bag bayside suburbs are morons IMO
I love the MP, live 30seconds from a beautiful bayside beach, have a terrific local cricket and footy club, live 30mins away from ocean surf beaches and Golf Courses. Bayside MP IMO is a beautiful spot to live.... Although these days it is also very pricey, guess others have cottoned on?...
You can drive or catch a train directly to the city if need be... But honestly, 10 times a year i reckon?...
I also see plenty of StK players in Mordialloc ... Perhaps Should we look at White st Oval?
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70s sainter wrote:Waltzing St Kilda wrote:gringo wrote:What I do know is that i see plenty of Saints players at the cafe I go to in St Kilda which is 5 minutes to junction. jack, Geary, Dal, Goddard, Joey and plenty of others. Compared to Seaford where they might have to kill a couple of hours it would be much better. It might not be the main reason but it might add to their general satisfaction levels and make the place seem a little more 21st century and glamourous and make some of the bigger clubs look less enticing. It looks big time instead of back water.
And it's important. To compete realistically with GCS and GWS in a few years' time, not to mention all the other clubs with bigger cheque books, we're gonna need to keep our players so happy that they're willing to accept smaller contracts just to stay.
That means the environment is everything. Not saying it's impossible to manufacture such an atmosphere at Seaford, but it seems easier to do at St Kilda. Or Moorabbin.
Spot on mate. In future free agency players are becoming more of a factor and these players are usually in the higher pay scale so to be able to live in port melb, Sth melb, port melb, Elwood and train in the heart of stkilda could just be the difference.
Put it this way - it won't be a disadvantage compared to coll , rich , north anyway.
Where do these things come from. BJ and Dal both moved accross town with FA. You know how you get FA. Pay them more than the other club. A hell of a lot more and also be in position to challenge for a flag. They wont care where they train.
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It's funny how teams in a better position to win a flag (obviously have a more mature and better list) are also the ones who can afford to pay more money for a FA?!
FA should be a place where players can move to another club to get a better contract... Fair enough
Interesting. Why should a team who is far better than another.... Be able to take one of the best players on their list to widen the gap?
The SC is supposed to provide equalisation....
Eg
How did Essendon have 800k to pay BJ
As well as have room for
Watson .... Top 4 in the AFL
Hurley, Ryder, Carlisle, Stanton, Heppell, Fletcher, Bellchambers and Hocking?
I can't understand how anyone could have as much room in there cap as Melbourne? They hardly have a player to pay money to?
FA should be a place where players can move to another club to get a better contract... Fair enough
Interesting. Why should a team who is far better than another.... Be able to take one of the best players on their list to widen the gap?
The SC is supposed to provide equalisation....
Eg
How did Essendon have 800k to pay BJ
As well as have room for
Watson .... Top 4 in the AFL
Hurley, Ryder, Carlisle, Stanton, Heppell, Fletcher, Bellchambers and Hocking?
I can't understand how anyone could have as much room in there cap as Melbourne? They hardly have a player to pay money to?
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BigMart wrote:It's funny how teams in a better position to win a flag (obviously have a more mature and better list) are also the ones who can afford to pay more money for a FA?!
FA should be a place where players can move to another club to get a better contract... Fair enough
Interesting. Why should a team who is far better than another.... Be able to take one of the best players on their list to widen the gap?
The SC is supposed to provide equalisation....
Eg
How did Essendon have 800k to pay BJ
As well as have room for
Watson .... Top 4 in the AFL
Hurley, Ryder, Carlisle, Stanton, Heppell, Fletcher, Bellchambers and Hocking?
I can't understand how anyone could have as much room in there cap as Melbourne? They hardly have a player to pay money to?
Front loading, Mitch Clark, Dawes. I think would find we have more money in the cap than them. And you do realise essendon finshed 11th the year they got BJ. Below us. So they werent far better than us.. Would have FA worked well then. Also North were poor last year and got Dal.
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North were poor?
They just missed the 8... And should have got in... They lost 6 games by under 10 points didn't they? They humiliated us
Sat year!!
We finished near last and possibly ATT that the worst list in the AFL?
They have a list many believe could be a top 4 outfit
Wells, Ziebell, Petrie, Thompson, Atley, Cunnington, Black, Goldstein, Hansen, Thomas and others ....
Their list is good
They just missed the 8... And should have got in... They lost 6 games by under 10 points didn't they? They humiliated us
Sat year!!
We finished near last and possibly ATT that the worst list in the AFL?
They have a list many believe could be a top 4 outfit
Wells, Ziebell, Petrie, Thompson, Atley, Cunnington, Black, Goldstein, Hansen, Thomas and others ....
Their list is good
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BigMart wrote:North were poor?
They just missed the 8... And should have got in... They lost 6 games by under 10 points didn't they? They humiliated us
Sat year!!
We finished near last and possibly ATT that the worst list in the AFL?
They have a list many believe could be a top 4 outfit
Wells, Ziebell, Petrie, Thompson, Atley, Cunnington, Black, Goldstein, Hansen, Thomas and others ....
Their list is good
I dont think when you look at ladders in 20 years time you mention how many close games they lost. They finished 10th. Thats below half way and were really 2 games out of the 8. Poor maybe unfair. Ordinary at best is probably better. Anyway this is off track. Your statement about FA going to top sides is obviously wrong when you look at who we have lost.
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Re: St Kilda going home !!
Isn't going back to the Junction Oval looking even further backwards than Moorabbin?dragit wrote:Disagree 3GS
I don't associate Moorabbin with success one bit and I can't see how anyone who started following post the mid 70's could? Of course I have plenty of fond memories, but it always felt like an industrial s-hole to me even as a kid... I saw just a few wins in my first 5 or so years of going to the footy there... Reckon it's a bit sad if we are hanging our hat on a flag we one 50 years ago. It won't be too long and no-one living will have a connection to 66...
If we do relocate, let's go to the best spot, not to a memory of our only flag won before colour television.
Look forward not backwards.
Except for the sanity nothing much has been lost.
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sometimes you have to go back to move forward...just look at our footy game plans these days.3rd generation saint wrote:Isn't going back to the Junction Oval looking even further backwards than Moorabbin?dragit wrote:Disagree 3GS
I don't associate Moorabbin with success one bit and I can't see how anyone who started following post the mid 70's could? Of course I have plenty of fond memories, but it always felt like an industrial s-hole to me even as a kid... I saw just a few wins in my first 5 or so years of going to the footy there... Reckon it's a bit sad if we are hanging our hat on a flag we one 50 years ago. It won't be too long and no-one living will have a connection to 66...
If we do relocate, let's go to the best spot, not to a memory of our only flag won before colour television.
Look forward not backwards.
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I don't have any connection or emotional attachment to the junction oval, but it sounds like a better location than both Moorabbin and Seaford.3rd generation saint wrote:Isn't going back to the Junction Oval looking even further backwards than Moorabbin?dragit wrote:Disagree 3GS
I don't associate Moorabbin with success one bit and I can't see how anyone who started following post the mid 70's could? Of course I have plenty of fond memories, but it always felt like an industrial s-hole to me even as a kid... I saw just a few wins in my first 5 or so years of going to the footy there... Reckon it's a bit sad if we are hanging our hat on a flag we one 50 years ago. It won't be too long and no-one living will have a connection to 66...
If we do relocate, let's go to the best spot, not to a memory of our only flag won before colour television.
Look forward not backwards.
The only thing that could possibly attract me to make trip to Seaford or Moorabbin is our footy club... At least St Kilda has a few other attractions to tempt people. It's the suburb of our namesake for starters.
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good call...I wouldn't know where moorabbin was if not for our club.dragit wrote:
The only thing that could possibly attract me to make trip to Seaford or Moorabbin is our footy club... At least St Kilda has a few other attractions to tempt people. It's the suburb of our namesake for starters.
Re: St Kilda going home !!
dragit wrote:I don't have any connection or emotional attachment to the junction oval, but it sounds like a better location than both Moorabbin and Seaford.3rd generation saint wrote:Isn't going back to the Junction Oval looking even further backwards than Moorabbin?dragit wrote:Disagree 3GS
I don't associate Moorabbin with success one bit and I can't see how anyone who started following post the mid 70's could? Of course I have plenty of fond memories, but it always felt like an industrial s-hole to me even as a kid... I saw just a few wins in my first 5 or so years of going to the footy there... Reckon it's a bit sad if we are hanging our hat on a flag we one 50 years ago. It won't be too long and no-one living will have a connection to 66...
If we do relocate, let's go to the best spot, not to a memory of our only flag won before colour television.
Look forward not backwards.
The only thing that could possibly attract me to make trip to Seaford or Moorabbin is our footy club... At least St Kilda has a few other attractions to tempt people. It's the suburb of our namesake for starters.
So you go there and do what. Even when they opened up the JO for training only about 100 people went. No one goes to training. And we will only be training on an open field anyway by the sound it. If it costs nothing and we have controland its better than Seaford we would be mad not to go but surely if its the opposite people should be thinking we are mad to go.
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Re: St Kilda going home !!
You just don't get it Seaford brings nothing to the table for the club ,players,sponsorship,media ,the junction oval puts us right back in amongst it !If we stay at Seaford we will rot!
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Marketing and selling advertising would be a hell of a lot easier with a St Kilda base... A pretty big factor & a massive issue for us currently.
Maybe we could get a major car brand instead of sheets and doors...
The sponsors aren't targeting saints fans, they just want maximum exposure to all punters, something more likely in one of the most visited suburbs in Melbourne.
Maybe we could get a major car brand instead of sheets and doors...
The sponsors aren't targeting saints fans, they just want maximum exposure to all punters, something more likely in one of the most visited suburbs in Melbourne.
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Eaxactly....PADDLEPOP1001 wrote:You just don't get it Seaford brings nothing to the table for the club ,players,sponsorship,media ,the junction oval puts us right back in amongst it !If we stay at Seaford we will rot!
It is ALL about marketing and perception. There are other reasons, but they are the most important two.
If the Saints want to be seen as a premium team, we need to be in a premium location...
As a Melbourne based team that means to be based near the CBD.
For a team named St Kilda...to be in the StKilda area...is a promotional advantage, and indeed will give us an edge over many teams that no longer have that connection. This versus a facility which is located at the back of a suburb, in an industrial precinct. That just projects an image that we are second rate, and are happy to be in the back stalls of life's theatre. We need to be front and centre. Top of mind, as the marketers would call it.
That StKilda the suburb has a young and funky image can only help with attracting new supporters including all the new immigrants to Melbourne each year.
The only thing that Seaford has going for it is that it now has great training facilities...all of which can be replicated at the Junction Oval...and indeed by the time that the Junction Oval is built the Seaford Facility will be getting tired whereas the Junction Oval will be state of the art with more and better facilities.
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Re: St Kilda going home !!
I went out to Moorabin recently and they have planted out the open area between the bowls club and the actual footy ground that used to open up for extra parking. Moorabin only has one main stand now which is the old admin building main concrete bunker thing. The rest is now unfenced local park land with a well tended oval on it. It is now no more developed than our local footy ground at Koornang park in Carnegie except for the pokies and the saints shop. It will be usable as a VFL venue because people don't mind standing around as much and there is less expectation of comfort. But it's along way from being a home base.
Junction is still fully fenced off, has a huge old fashioned historical grandstand has parkland around which can be opened to parking along with the bowls club carpark and the front players parking. The stadium could be renovated to include some better change rooms and the fence line along Queens road could easily be built to contain admin offices and a high performance centre for dual use as cricket and footy gym. It is certainly a lot further advanced even in it's current state than Moorabin is.
Junction is still fully fenced off, has a huge old fashioned historical grandstand has parkland around which can be opened to parking along with the bowls club carpark and the front players parking. The stadium could be renovated to include some better change rooms and the fence line along Queens road could easily be built to contain admin offices and a high performance centre for dual use as cricket and footy gym. It is certainly a lot further advanced even in it's current state than Moorabin is.
Re: St Kilda going home !!
You're only problem... With that training base argument is
Hawthorn... I would consider the most successful club ATM are out of 'the city' and are looking to go further?
Richmond are the closest club to the city
And it has done little for them?!
Why would a club rot training 35km out of the city?
People need to go to games... Not training?... The club doesn't actually WANT anyone at training.
Last I checked we play at Docklands.....
Hawthorn... I would consider the most successful club ATM are out of 'the city' and are looking to go further?
Richmond are the closest club to the city
And it has done little for them?!
Why would a club rot training 35km out of the city?
People need to go to games... Not training?... The club doesn't actually WANT anyone at training.
Last I checked we play at Docklands.....