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What was she right about, seriously can you expand out your common sense?
How can you be confident the club leaked the information? common sense? what is common sense about being confident the club leaked information on Fisher, that doesn't make sense.
No you are right. You have convinced me she made up stuff about Fisher and he has no issues at all.
I can't remember exactly what Wilson published on Fisher so I'm hoping you can remind me. And I'm also hoping you can explain how you can say you have no doubt at all the club leaked information on Fisher. Startling claims to make so I'm all ears.
plugger66 wrote:
If she wasnt right about Fisher then i give up. I think most people acknowledge she was pretty much spot on. maybe she is also wrong about Essendon ot as that isnt our club she is certainly right. Anyway i stand by what I said. Some reporters get infiormation that others dont get and a lot of the time it is leaked by the club. Have no doubt the Fisher stuff was leaked.
That's a bit like saying that a rumour is now the accepted version so it must be true. So Fisher has come out and said he has a drug and drink problem? Has the club said anything? Was he traded out because he was a bad influence? Did you also claim we shouldn't believe that Dane Swan was a drug user because it was just speculation?
I dont think Wilson said Fisher had drug or drinking problems. I think you just said it. No idea about Swan. I remember saying something though. Cant remember what it was. It seems there are no issues with Fisher than. A few people on here owe him an apology then. A fair few.
He might be absolutely f%$#ed but all I'm saying is that just because it's reported doesn't make it true. That's why there are defamation laws- once you get attached to a negative story it's really hard to stop people assuming it was true even if it's later retracted. Wilson wrote that Sam was off the rails and was very definite that he was a problem at the club with a suggestion of drugs and alcohol.
That's a bit like saying that a rumour is now the accepted version so it must be true. So Fisher has come out and said he has a drug and drink problem? Has the club said anything? Was he traded out because he was a bad influence? Did you also claim we shouldn't believe that Dane Swan was a drug user because it was just speculation?
I dont think Wilson said Fisher had drug or drinking problems. I think you just said it. No idea about Swan. I remember saying something though. Cant remember what it was. It seems there are no issues with Fisher than. A few people on here owe him an apology then. A fair few.
He might be absolutely f%$#ed but all I'm saying is that just because it's reported doesn't make it true. That's why there are defamation laws- once you get attached to a negative story it's really hard to stop people assuming it was true even if it's later retracted. Wilson wrote that Sam was off the rails and was very definite that he was a problem at the club with a suggestion of drugs and alcohol.
Sorry cant see what you mentioned in your last line anywhere in the 2 articles. happy for you to show me what I missed. And as you said there are defamation laws. Can you show me where she was sued for lying?
plugger66 wrote:
I dont think Wilson said Fisher had drug or drinking problems. I think you just said it. No idea about Swan. I remember saying something though. Cant remember what it was. It seems there are no issues with Fisher than. A few people on here owe him an apology then. A fair few.
He might be absolutely f%$#ed but all I'm saying is that just because it's reported doesn't make it true. That's why there are defamation laws- once you get attached to a negative story it's really hard to stop people assuming it was true even if it's later retracted. Wilson wrote that Sam was off the rails and was very definite that he was a problem at the club with a suggestion of drugs and alcohol.
Sorry cant see what you mentioned in your last line anywhere in the 2 articles. happy for you to show me what I missed. And as you said there are defamation laws. Can you show me where she was sued for lying?
So what did she publish about Fisher, and how can you say that you are confident the club leaked the information, I really want to know the answer to this revelation...
He might be absolutely f%$#ed but all I'm saying is that just because it's reported doesn't make it true. That's why there are defamation laws- once you get attached to a negative story it's really hard to stop people assuming it was true even if it's later retracted. Wilson wrote that Sam was off the rails and was very definite that he was a problem at the club with a suggestion of drugs and alcohol.
Sorry cant see what you mentioned in your last line anywhere in the 2 articles. happy for you to show me what I missed. And as you said there are defamation laws. Can you show me where she was sued for lying?
So what did she publish about Fisher, and how can you say that you are confident the club leaked the information, I really want to know the answer to this revelation...
Well someone leaked the information. Maybe Sam did but he is part of the club. maybe it was his manger. maybe she made it all up. As I said you have convinced me that some on here owe Sam a huge apology. He obviously has no issues at all. I for one will be first to say Im sorry Sam. I might just have a quick look and see if you need to apologise as well.
plugger66 wrote:
Sorry cant see what you mentioned in your last line anywhere in the 2 articles. happy for you to show me what I missed. And as you said there are defamation laws. Can you show me where she was sued for lying?
So what did she publish about Fisher, and how can you say that you are confident the club leaked the information, I really want to know the answer to this revelation...
Well someone leaked the information. Maybe Sam did but he is part of the club. maybe it was his manger. maybe she made it all up. As I said you have convinced me that some on here owe Sam a huge apology. He obviously has no issues at all. I for one will be first to say Im sorry Sam. I might just have a quick look and see if you need to apologise as well.
Ahhh! the red herring...I'm pretty certain I won't have to apologise, but you might have to apologise for lying about having no doubt the club leaked information on Fisher.
So what did she publish about Fisher, and how can you say that you are confident the club leaked the information, I really want to know the answer to this revelation...
Well someone leaked the information. Maybe Sam did but he is part of the club. maybe it was his manger. maybe she made it all up. As I said you have convinced me that some on here owe Sam a huge apology. He obviously has no issues at all. I for one will be first to say Im sorry Sam. I might just have a quick look and see if you need to apologise as well.
Ahhh! the red herring...I'm pretty certain I won't have to apologise, but you might have to apologise for lying about having no doubt the club leaked information on Fisher.
I didnt lie. i have no doubt IMO. No doubt at all. same with how she got the information about Swan. No doubt the pies went out of their way to tell her there were issues with him as well. Naive a work that could be used. Just one question. Do you think she made up the stuff about both players and if the answer is no what is your best guess how she got the information?
Spinner wrote:At the end of the day - is what Mark Fine said been anything different to the rumblings of others and to what Caroline Wilson has detailed?
People may not like it, call it damaging. But if it's true - well responsibility falls with the club.
If that's what he believes and his sources stipulate - well great for him voicing. Reconciling with other media - doesn't sound like he was far off. I mean, the board basically deciding to sack SW (caro) the president confirming the issues between SW and CP (the president) the football review and maybe unrelated the CEO resigning.
Unless MF is downright lying - I'm fine with him calling out what he thinks or has insight into. Be upset for where the problem really lies. A little radio show "that apparently no one listens to similar to TFS" won't affect our membership to any significant degree to what our performances/incidents will do to ourselves.
has anyone here seen caro fine and jaxons in the same room together at the same time...?????..no????.....i thought as much....
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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plugger66 wrote:
Well someone leaked the information. Maybe Sam did but he is part of the club. maybe it was his manger. maybe she made it all up. As I said you have convinced me that some on here owe Sam a huge apology. He obviously has no issues at all. I for one will be first to say Im sorry Sam. I might just have a quick look and see if you need to apologise as well.
Ahhh! the red herring...I'm pretty certain I won't have to apologise, but you might have to apologise for lying about having no doubt the club leaked information on Fisher.
I didnt lie. i have no doubt IMO. No doubt at all. same with how she got the information about Swan. No doubt the pies went out of their way to tell her there were issues with him as well. Naive a work that could be used. Just one question. Do you think she made up the stuff about both players and if the answer is no what is your best guess how she got the information?
What did she publish about Fisher that you believe is true and factual?
What circumstances or pieces of information lead you to believe the club leaked information on Fisher? I am sceptical. Why would they leak information about a player that could lead the player to find out where the information came from and then lead to a breakdown in trust. It doesn't make sense but I'm keen to know what circumstances or pieces of information lead you to have no doubt at all.
Maybe someone from the club gave her wrong info or maybe the HS is wrong or maybe she is wrong. i know its hard to believe but they do get told things from inside that we dont hear. Funny how many had a go at her for naming Fisher and issues that he had/has but now it seems most agree she was right.
Yes it would appear she reported something that wasn't factual and/or misleading so who knows how she received the information on the Nisbett story, did she make it up, in any case it looks like she forgot to check if her information was accurate. Why would such an experienced journalist not check that her information was accurate, isn't that 1st year stuff.
i don't believe she has ever been right about chips...where's the flowering proof....there is none...just innuendo and character assassination...if i was chips i would sue the cow....
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
"Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of a free society,"
However, freedom of expression is not encouraged in certain forums.
Ahhh! the red herring...I'm pretty certain I won't have to apologise, but you might have to apologise for lying about having no doubt the club leaked information on Fisher.
I didnt lie. i have no doubt IMO. No doubt at all. same with how she got the information about Swan. No doubt the pies went out of their way to tell her there were issues with him as well. Naive a work that could be used. Just one question. Do you think she made up the stuff about both players and if the answer is no what is your best guess how she got the information?
What did she publish about Fisher that you believe is true and factual?
What circumstances or pieces of information lead you to believe the club leaked information on Fisher? I am sceptical. Why would they leak information about a player that could lead the player to find out where the information came from and then lead to a breakdown in trust. It doesn't make sense but I'm keen to know what circumstances or pieces of information lead you to have no doubt at all.
I have done my best to answer your questions and typical of you, you ignore my question. i will not get anymore involved until you answer what i asked. A very simple question.
Yes it would appear she reported something that wasn't factual and/or misleading so who knows how she received the information on the Nisbett story, did she make it up, in any case it looks like she forgot to check if her information was accurate. Why would such an experienced journalist not check that her information was accurate, isn't that 1st year stuff.
i don't believe she has ever been right about chips...where's the flowering proof....there is none...just innuendo and character assassination...if i was chips i would sue the cow....
And he or Swan havent. What does that suggest to you?
Maybe someone from the club gave her wrong info or maybe the HS is wrong or maybe she is wrong. i know its hard to believe but they do get told things from inside that we dont hear. Funny how many had a go at her for naming Fisher and issues that he had/has but now it seems most agree she was right.
Yes it would appear she reported something that wasn't factual and/or misleading so who knows how she received the information on the Nisbett story, did she make it up, in any case it looks like she forgot to check if her information was accurate. Why would such an experienced journalist not check that her information was accurate, isn't that 1st year stuff.
i don't believe she has ever been right about chips...where's the flowering proof....there is none...just innuendo and character assassination...if i was chips i would sue the cow....
Where's the proof it isn't true?
And the club didn't even come out and support it publicly - don't think we'll see him sue, much for the same reason.
plugger66 wrote:
I didnt lie. i have no doubt IMO. No doubt at all. same with how she got the information about Swan. No doubt the pies went out of their way to tell her there were issues with him as well. Naive a work that could be used. Just one question. Do you think she made up the stuff about both players and if the answer is no what is your best guess how she got the information?
What did she publish about Fisher that you believe is true and factual?
What circumstances or pieces of information lead you to believe the club leaked information on Fisher? I am sceptical. Why would they leak information about a player that could lead the player to find out where the information came from and then lead to a breakdown in trust. It doesn't make sense but I'm keen to know what circumstances or pieces of information lead you to have no doubt at all.
I have done my best to answer your questions and typical of you, you ignore my question. i will not get anymore involved until you answer what i asked. A very simple question.
If you've done your best then I can only assume you drinking heavily again. Here in an effort to get you to answer my question that I have repeatedly asked and you have conveniently ignored I will answer your question.
I'm not sure if Wilson made stuff up or not on both players. If I read the articles you are referring to then I'll be able to filter what is fact and what is unsubstantiated fact with forensic precision. I assume Wilson has many different sources but if you are gossip colomnist and you are reporting on the issue of player behaviour then one of your sources could be a barman at the clubs they hang out at.
So can I now ask my question again? you stated that, "If she wasnt right about Fisher then i give up", I've ask, what was Wilson right about with regards to Fisher?
What did she publish about Fisher that you believe is true and factual?
What circumstances or pieces of information lead you to believe the club leaked information on Fisher? I am sceptical. Why would they leak information about a player that could lead the player to find out where the information came from and then lead to a breakdown in trust. It doesn't make sense but I'm keen to know what circumstances or pieces of information lead you to have no doubt at all.
I have done my best to answer your questions and typical of you, you ignore my question. i will not get anymore involved until you answer what i asked. A very simple question.
If you've done your best then I can only assume you drinking heavily again. Here in an effort to get you to answer my question that I have repeatedly asked and you have conveniently ignored I will answer your question.
I'm not sure if Wilson made stuff up or not on both players. If I read the articles you are referring to then I'll be able to filter what is fact and what is unsubstantiated fact with forensic precision. I assume Wilson has many different sources but if you are gossip colomnist and you are reporting on the issue of player behaviour then one of your sources could be a barman at the clubs they hang out at.
So can I now ask my question again? you stated that, "If she wasnt right about Fisher then i give up", I've ask, what was Wilson right about with regards to Fisher?
Firstly as much as you hate it she isnt a gossip colominist, she is head of footy writing for the age or what ever term they use. As for Fisher she was right in exactly what she said. read it again and tell me where she was wrong. And Cairnsman you need to stop with the heavy drinking term when you are struggling to win a debate. And the effort you made in answering the very basic question I asked was poor to say the least. 1 out of 10 and that was for spelling Fisher right. You have the final say on this as we are going around in circles. And the topic is Mark Fine anyway.
If anyone thinks there's a huge gap between a gossip columnist and a football writer - thy're delusional.
Put it this way, when was the last time Wilson commented on an on-field matter?
I don't blame her neccessarily. Clearly, it sells. But let's not overestimate what it is she is doing, simply becuase she's well paid and has a cool title.
plugger66 wrote:
I have done my best to answer your questions and typical of you, you ignore my question. i will not get anymore involved until you answer what i asked. A very simple question.
If you've done your best then I can only assume you drinking heavily again. Here in an effort to get you to answer my question that I have repeatedly asked and you have conveniently ignored I will answer your question.
I'm not sure if Wilson made stuff up or not on both players. If I read the articles you are referring to then I'll be able to filter what is fact and what is unsubstantiated fact with forensic precision. I assume Wilson has many different sources but if you are gossip colomnist and you are reporting on the issue of player behaviour then one of your sources could be a barman at the clubs they hang out at.
So can I now ask my question again? you stated that, "If she wasnt right about Fisher then i give up", I've ask, what was Wilson right about with regards to Fisher?
Firstly as much as you hate it she isnt a gossip colominist, she is head of footy writing for the age or what ever term they use. As for Fisher she was right in exactly what she said. read it again and tell me where she was wrong. And Cairnsman you need to stop with the heavy drinking term when you are struggling to win a debate. And the effort you made in answering the very basic question I asked was poor to say the least. 1 out of 10 and that was for spelling Fisher right. You have the final say on this as we are going around in circles. And the topic is Mark Fine anyway.
I don't have an issue with Wilson or any other Journalist. I enjoy reading all of them and enjoy analysing what it is the writer wants me to think which is a big part of Wilson's genre. Her focus as a Journalist is the stories on the outskirts of the game itself. Her stories have a strong opinion bias and they are usually heavily littered with speculation and innuendo regarding clubs and individuals at clubs, that makes her a gossiper. So I will assume that you have said something you are backing away from because you can't back it up.
Spinner wrote:At the end of the day - is what Mark Fine said been anything different to the rumblings of others and to what Caroline Wilson has detailed?
People may not like it, call it damaging. But if it's true - well responsibility falls with the club.
If that's what he believes and his sources stipulate - well great for him voicing. Reconciling with other media - doesn't sound like he was far off. I mean, the board basically deciding to sack SW (caro) the president confirming the issues between SW and CP (the president) the football review and maybe unrelated the CEO resigning.
Unless MF is downright lying - I'm fine with him calling out what he thinks or has insight into. Be upset for where the problem really lies. A little radio show "that apparently no one listens to similar to TFS" won't affect our membership to any significant degree to what our performances/incidents will do to ourselves.
has anyone here seen caro fine and jaxons in the same room together at the same time...?????..no????.....i thought as much....
Johnny Member wrote:If anyone thinks there's a huge gap between a gossip columnist and a football writer - thy're delusional.
Put it this way, when was the last time Wilson commented on an on-field matter?
I don't blame her neccessarily. Clearly, it sells. But let's not overestimate what it is she is doing, simply becuase she's well paid and has a cool title.
So is every footy writer a gossip columinist or only those who are in charge of all the footy writers? Funny but i would have thought the Swan and Fisher article was about on field stuff. if not what do you mean on field matter?
It doesnt appear that way at all unless all of a sudden you think the HS is never wrong. We dont 100% know who is right or wrong or even why. It does seem she was right about Fisher but it didnt appear that anyone believed her at the time.
Why was she right about fisher.
Where was that stated, or is putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5 proving things now....
If she wasnt right about Fisher then i give up. I think most people acknowledge she was pretty much spot on. maybe she is also wrong about Essendon ot as that isnt our club she is certainly right. Anyway i stand by what I said. Some reporters get infiormation that others dont get and a lot of the time it is leaked by the club. Have no doubt the Fisher stuff was leaked.
Oh, using the imaginary most people argument...
Am sure fisher was partying, but how much, and were the saints really upset, the playing group as well?
Pretty sure there was no internal punishment, no leadership group punishment, and pretty sure sw did come out and call it rubbish...
But I guess if most people believe it then it must be right...sounds like someone else on here...wonder who...
I have done my best to answer your questions and typical of you, you ignore my question. i will not get anymore involved until you answer what i asked. A very simple question.
If you've done your best then I can only assume you drinking heavily again. Here in an effort to get you to answer my question that I have repeatedly asked and you have conveniently ignored I will answer your question.
I'm not sure if Wilson made stuff up or not on both players. If I read the articles you are referring to then I'll be able to filter what is fact and what is unsubstantiated fact with forensic precision. I assume Wilson has many different sources but if you are gossip colomnist and you are reporting on the issue of player behaviour then one of your sources could be a barman at the clubs they hang out at.
So can I now ask my question again? you stated that, "If she wasnt right about Fisher then i give up", I've ask, what was Wilson right about with regards to Fisher?
Firstly as much as you hate it she isnt a gossip colominist, she is head of footy writing for the age or what ever term they use. As for Fisher she was right in exactly what she said. read it again and tell me where she was wrong. And Cairnsman you need to stop with the heavy drinking term when you are struggling to win a debate. And the effort you made in answering the very basic question I asked was poor to say the least. 1 out of 10 and that was for spelling Fisher right. You have the final say on this as we are going around in circles. And the topic is Mark Fine anyway.
Fair to say now that robbo is chief footy writer the job has been devalued into head gossip columnist, but you tell us what most people think....
Firstly as much as you hate it she isnt a gossip colominist, she is head of footy writing for the age or what ever term they use. As for Fisher she was right in exactly what she said. read it again and tell me where she was wrong. And Cairnsman you need to stop with the heavy drinking term when you are struggling to win a debate. And the effort you made in answering the very basic question I asked was poor to say the least. 1 out of 10 and that was for spelling Fisher right. You have the final say on this as we are going around in circles. And the topic is Mark Fine anyway.
Fair to say now that robbo is chief footy writer the job has been devalued into head gossip columnist, but you tell us what most people think....
Im telling you what i think. Should i say what you think? Its a bit hard as i dont know your phone number to find out. Its going to rather boring on here if we all have to get each others opinions before we give our own. Robbo's style doesnt seem different to how he wrote 2 years ago but hey thats only my opinion. Everytime you have an opinion now I hope you say IMO afterwise the people without a brain may think its how everyone should think.
Johnny Member wrote:If anyone thinks there's a huge gap between a gossip columnist and a football writer - they're delusional.
Put it this way, when was the last time Wilson commented on an on-field matter?
I don't blame her neccessarily. Clearly, it sells. But let's not overestimate what it is she is doing, simply becuase she's well paid and has a cool title.
So is every footy writer a gossip columinist or only those who are in charge of all the footy writers? Funny but i would have thought the Swan and Fisher article was about on field stuff. if not what do you mean on field matter?
Not all are.
And if you can't see the difference between the ones that aren't, and Caroline Wilson - then you're a deadset fool.
Johnny Member wrote:If anyone thinks there's a huge gap between a gossip columnist and a football writer - they're delusional.
Put it this way, when was the last time Wilson commented on an on-field matter?
I don't blame her neccessarily. Clearly, it sells. But let's not overestimate what it is she is doing, simply becuase she's well paid and has a cool title.
So is every footy writer a gossip columinist or only those who are in charge of all the footy writers? Funny but i would have thought the Swan and Fisher article was about on field stuff. if not what do you mean on field matter?
Not all are.
And if you can't see the difference between the ones that aren't, and Caroline Wilson - then you're a deadset fool.
Another who get personal and wont answer simple questions. There a weird mob.
Firstly as much as you hate it she isnt a gossip colominist, she is head of footy writing for the age or what ever term they use. As for Fisher she was right in exactly what she said. read it again and tell me where she was wrong. And Cairnsman you need to stop with the heavy drinking term when you are struggling to win a debate. And the effort you made in answering the very basic question I asked was poor to say the least. 1 out of 10 and that was for spelling Fisher right. You have the final say on this as we are going around in circles. And the topic is Mark Fine anyway.
Fair to say now that robbo is chief footy writer the job has been devalued into head gossip columnist, but you tell us what most people think....
Im telling you what i think. Should i say what you think? Its a bit hard as i dont know your phone number to find out. Its going to rather boring on here if we all have to get each others opinions before we give our own. Robbo's style doesnt seem different to how he wrote 2 years ago but hey thats only my opinion. Everytime you have an opinion now I hope you say IMO afterwise the people without a brain may think its how everyone should think.
Oh given your post before I thought you posted on behalf of most people's thoughts...
