Howard the steal of the trade period

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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

Post: # 1854182Post Otiman »

I'd put my ranking of trades upside down from where they were before the season. Now it's:

Butler
Howard
Jones
Hill


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

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Otiman wrote: Tue 21 Jul 2020 10:34pm I'd put my ranking of trades upside down from where they were before the season. Now it's:

Butler
Howard
Jones
Hill
Pretty well spot on. Though Jones has been excellent and so lineball between him and Howard.

And Ryder was always just steak knives and still is.


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

Post: # 1854188Post suss »

saintsRrising wrote: Tue 21 Jul 2020 10:53pm
Otiman wrote: Tue 21 Jul 2020 10:34pm I'd put my ranking of trades upside down from where they were before the season. Now it's:

Butler
Howard
Jones
Hill
Pretty well spot on. Though Jones has been excellent and so lineball between him and Howard.

And Ryder was always just steak knives and still is.
I thought Ryder’s tap-work was pivotal to our win last night, particularly in the last quarter.


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

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All 5 have been fantastic great work and even last year Max King and Callum Wilkie not mentioning Jack Bytel and Ryan Byrnes who have made some noise as big potentials.
Go back to Hunter Clark and Nick Coffield we have down some decent work last few years makes up for the disaster of Mc Cartin and Hugh Goddard..


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

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Looked very impressive, hopefully he can keep it going from here 👍


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

Post: # 1854192Post StPeter »

saintsRrising wrote: Tue 21 Jul 2020 10:53pm
Otiman wrote: Tue 21 Jul 2020 10:34pm I'd put my ranking of trades upside down from where they were before the season. Now it's:

Butler
Howard
Jones
Hill
Pretty well spot on. Though Jones has been excellent and so lineball between him and Howard.

And Ryder was always just steak knives and still is.
Ryder has been pivotal in winning two of the matches he has played......against the Doggies and Adelaide.


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

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The_Dud wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 1:08am Looked very impressive, hopefully he can keep it going from here 👍
Hill.....Ryder.....Butler and...

Howard Jones....

Things can only get better



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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

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Scollop wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 8:44am
The_Dud wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 1:08am Looked very impressive, hopefully he can keep it going from here 👍
Hill.....Ryder.....Butler and...

Howard Jones....

Things can only get better

Very clever.


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

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Hill's been the most disappointing to date. Any coincidence that he's also the one with the least to prove?


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

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Butler
Howard
Ryder / Jones

Hill

I'm confident that Hill will bridge the gap and be that icing we need. Perhaps he likes performing in front of crowds? A Norm Smith will complete his resume.

I also believe Jones has a lot more to give PLUS Hannebery if he can string 4+ games together.


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

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Ghost Like wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 10:29am Butler
Howard
Ryder / Jones

Hill

I'm confident that Hill will bridge the gap and be that icing we need. Perhaps he likes performing in front of crowds? A Norm Smith will complete his resume.

I also believe Jones has a lot more to give PLUS Hannebery if he can string 4+ games together.
Butler and Jones have definitely shown the most so far.

Howard really stepped up Monday night, was going along ok before then.

I don't think Hill is giving us any more than Acres at this point. Maybe we should give him a run in the ruck? ;)


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Hill is on a long term contract. He is experienced and will turn it on when it matters. Whether some believe or even don't want to believe it, his role is not to do everything and get run down in his first 2 years.
We had Ross for that but what did that do? It gives us false, unsustainable benchmarks and just stifles the development of the younger players and breaks guy like Ross.
While Hill isn't starring and Ross isnt racking up endless 30 possession games, as a team, we are entering into top 5 stat categories that make winning sustainable. We are actually developing a game plan, we are only 7 games in and the intent is obvious. By years end it will be noted and by next year it will renowned. Bookmark that!


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

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StPeter wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 2:23am
saintsRrising wrote: Tue 21 Jul 2020 10:53pm
Otiman wrote: Tue 21 Jul 2020 10:34pm I'd put my ranking of trades upside down from where they were before the season. Now it's:

Butler
Howard
Jones
Hill
Pretty well spot on. Though Jones has been excellent and so lineball between him and Howard.

And Ryder was always just steak knives and still is.
Ryder has been pivotal in winning two of the matches he has played......against the Doggies and Adelaide.
Ryder's a smart, thoroughly professional, mercenery (and I mean that in a nice way) ruckman. Consummate professional.


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A young Howard may be an excellent trade for Andrews but I think now he is getting a bit long in the tooth for a premiership and is quarantined up north.


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saintsRrising wrote: Tue 21 Jul 2020 10:53pm
Otiman wrote: Tue 21 Jul 2020 10:34pm I'd put my ranking of trades upside down from where they were before the season. Now it's:

Butler
Howard
Jones
Hill
Pretty well spot on. Though Jones has been excellent and so lineball between him and Howard.

And Ryder was always just steak knives and still is.
So you think Ryder is cutting it.


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My only concern of Howard and it's very picky. I find he goes to hard at everything in the air all the time. Sometimes he has to stay on the ground and guard the loose ball. Very picky just my observation,


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CURLY wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 4:39pm My only concern of Howard and it's very picky. I find he goes to hard at everything in the air all the time. Sometimes he has to stay on the ground and guard the loose ball. Very picky just my observation,
Might be picky but the point is valid. It happened once on Monday... can’t remember the exact spot but all three defenders including Howard launched into the aerial contest and each other with ball ending up in the hands of the opponents that stayed down.

Always looks bad.

Hopefully it’s just some teething problems for a defence getting itself together


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skeptic wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 5:00pm
CURLY wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 4:39pm My only concern of Howard and it's very picky. I find he goes to hard at everything in the air all the time. Sometimes he has to stay on the ground and guard the loose ball. Very picky just my observation,
Might be picky but the point is valid. It happened once on Monday... can’t remember the exact spot but all three defenders including Howard launched into the aerial contest and each other with ball ending up in the hands of the opponents that stayed down.

Always looks bad.

Hopefully it’s just some teething problems for a defence getting itself together
Paton was the one who should have stayed down, if it is the one in the goal square but he got caught off balance and turning, then committed himself. His man kicked the goal.


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Scollop wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 8:44am
The_Dud wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 1:08am Looked very impressive, hopefully he can keep it going from here 👍
Hill.....Ryder.....Butler and...

Howard Jones....

Things can only get better

Brilliant!!

If they were used cars bought on eBay.

Hill 1978 Mazda RX-7 with a few leaky seals
Ryder 1959 Ford Ranch Wagon
Kent 1970 Ford Capri (the 4 cyl model)
Butler 1982 Alfasud
Jones 1985 Nissan Pulsar

For reference
Gears 1965 HD ute. (with heart and 3 on the tree)


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skeptic wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 5:00pm
CURLY wrote: Wed 22 Jul 2020 4:39pm My only concern of Howard and it's very picky. I find he goes to hard at everything in the air all the time. Sometimes he has to stay on the ground and guard the loose ball. Very picky just my observation,
Might be picky but the point is valid. It happened once on Monday... can’t remember the exact spot but all three defenders including Howard launched into the aerial contest and each other with ball ending up in the hands of the opponents that stayed down.

Always looks bad.

Hopefully it’s just some teething problems for a defence getting itself together
Howard has the height and the leap, he should be first up.
Carlisle has perfect judgement, height but not much leap he is 2nd up if needed.
It is the job of defenders to guard the ground ball.
It's a team game and everyone has a role it in a pack situation.


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Post: # 1854589Post johnearljames »

Christ, and a lot of Saints fans were complaining we would never recruit any good players from other clubs. Now we can rate we have so many! Keep the faith.


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Wow. Great again


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

Post: # 1855073Post fugazi »

Is it Gallagher our recruiting guy?

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Post: # 1855076Post skeptic »

Glad we didn’t listen to the nuff nuffs that were bagging him early and didn’t want to play him


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Re: Howard the steal of the trade period

Post: # 1855098Post stkfc1 »

Yep. Very good except for a bit if a brain explosion for about 5 minutes after Dixon out marked him. Seemed to rattle him a bit but got it back together and he was very good again.


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