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He never played for St Kilda, he just took our money.
He is more of an ex-Bomber than an ex-Saint. It's a shame we keep getting our club's name associated with him.
I hope this case galvanises the group.
weak committal, the chick is a no show.
even if it goes to trial it's unlikely that he'll be found guilty on either charge.
even if by some stroke of extra-ordinarily bad luck he gets found guilty it's extremely unlikely that with his character he'll get locked-up.
why do you say ' no show'
from what I heard her evidence was given 'in camera ' this morning?
The news reported yesterday that she was the first witness called adn gave her evidence via video-link.
All reporters were barred from identifying her in any way.
Mr Magic wrote:The news reported yesterday that she was the first witness called adn gave her evidence via video-link.
All reporters were barred from identifying her in any way.
The Herald Scum have spilled her profession and general appearance here. They're all over it. 3 articles and a front page headline "Saints Night Of Shame". That paper is staffed by dogs.
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Badlands wrote:You can tell it's much more a human interest story than a football-related story when the journo on the case spells Kosi's name: Justin Kozitsche
McQualter said he arrived later at Bram’s apartment – after the alleged rape in Gram’s bedroom – to find the woman crying and her makeup smudged.
The court heard fellow player Adam Schneider told McQualter to look after her.
Not know what had happened McQualter said he told Bram to “f--- offâ€
I am not going to comment on this matter, except to say it's appears that the reporting over recent months that it was Jason Gram's girlfriend is inaccurate.
SainterK wrote:I am not going to comment on this matter, except to say it's appears that the reporting over recent months that it was Jason Gram's girlfriend is inaccurate.
I don't think there was much official reporting on that......but you seem to have read/heard that somewhere
SainterK wrote:I am not going to comment on this matter, except to say it's appears that the reporting over recent months that it was Jason Gram's girlfriend is inaccurate.
I don't think there was much official reporting on that......but you seem to have read/heard that somewhere
Actually you are right, I'm not sure if I ever read this in any official reporting....but it has certainly been mentioned, quite a lot on here.
I won't say anything further other than based on what's been presented to the court so far Lovett appears to be as loose a bloke as we probably all suspected, the prosecution has a bit of work to do, and the other players there on the night can hold their heads pretty high for the way they handled things.
I repeat, based on what's been presented SO FAR...
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I'm not really hot on this topic, but have been reading reports wherever I see them...it's a bit like watching a train crash.
I'm bemused by firstly, the lack of reference to Essendon, as a club who took little action over his indiscressions in the past, also the club he actually played for, how is it that he is constantly referred to as an ex-St Kilda player instead of an ex-recruit, or even ex-Essendon player?
Also, the victim's alleged comments referring to the 'black' or 'dark' guy...she'd spent most of the night with these guys, but doesn't know Lovett's name? Or is this the press playing with the truth? Very odd choice of description IMO.
degruch wrote:I'm not really hot on this topic, but have been reading reports wherever I see them...it's a bit like watching a train crash.
I'm bemused by firstly, the lack of reference to Essendon, as a club who took little action over his indiscressions in the past, also the club he actually played for, how is it that he is constantly referred to as an ex-St Kilda player instead of an ex-recruit, or even ex-Essendon player?
Also, the victim's alleged comments referring to the 'black' or 'dark' guy...she'd spent most of the night with these guys, but doesn't know Lovett's name? Or is this the press playing with the truth? Very odd choice of description IMO.
Okay. So I will say something else.
We must bear in mind that the papers will report whatever they see as relevant, but you've got to say the whole think stinks to high heaven.
As reported, anyway...
Oh, and he's not a 'former St Kilda player'. He never played. He's either a former St Kilda recruit, or a former Essendon player, or both. That seems easy for me to understand. Not so the papers. To say the truth of the matter would betray an obvious intention to label St Kilda the seedy sex club.
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Putting it bluntly.
Seems she thought it was Gram so that was OK.
When she found out it was a snigger, she called rape.
She thinks she was raped because of mistaken identity, he thinks he had consent but without identity.
Don't know what the law says in a case like this, especially when all concerned were too drunk to know what they were doing.
A ban on alcohol can prevent a lot of this.
The boozing players all bear some responsibility.
But it is clear that the St Kilda players did not want Lovett and it would seem by Lovett's reaction to the accusation that there was prior disharmony, so he had to be sacked.
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ace wrote:Putting it bluntly.
Seems she thought it was Gram so that was OK.
When she found out it was a snigger, she called rape.
She thinks she was raped because of mistaken identity, he thinks he had consent but without identity.
Don't know what the law says in a case like this, especially when all concerned were too drunk to know what they were doing.
A ban on alcohol can prevent a lot of this.
The boozing players all bear some responsibility.
But it is clear that the St Kilda players did not want Lovett and it would seem by Lovett's reaction to the accusation that there was prior disharmony, so he had to be sacked.
By reading whats been reported it seems that she initialy thought it was Gram but when she realised it was Lovett she said NO, but he continued anyway.
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everyone knows who the girl is yea? that email went round a while ago...very interesting. i think i feel sorry for lovett at this stage. it was pretty clear ross wanted him and the players did not.
i dont know whether he is guilty here or not but the girl has a rep
MC Gusto wrote:everyone knows who the girl is yea? that email went round a while ago...very interesting. i think i feel sorry for lovett at this stage. it was pretty clear ross wanted him and the players did not.
i dont know whether he is guilty here or not but the girl has a rep
Can I say that is a pathetic thing to say. All of it not just the last bit.
MC Gusto wrote:everyone knows who the girl is yea? that email went round a while ago...very interesting. i think i feel sorry for lovett at this stage. it was pretty clear ross wanted him and the players did not.
i dont know whether he is guilty here or not but the girl has a rep
Can I say that is a pathetic thing to say. All of it not just the last bit.
Agree with the ol' pluggole' on this one, that's average, if he did the crime, it shouldn't matter about her reputation, sorry for lovett, my ar$e!!!!!
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MC Gusto wrote:everyone knows who the girl is yea? that email went round a while ago...very interesting. i think i feel sorry for lovett at this stage. it was pretty clear ross wanted him and the players did not.
i dont know whether he is guilty here or not but the girl has a rep
whilst not rape but Lovett had form re assault etc on his ex?
your ref to rep the girl......yet you say 'i dont know whether he is guilty here or not"...but dont apply that to the girl
MC Gusto wrote:everyone knows who the girl is yea? that email went round a while ago...very interesting. i think i feel sorry for lovett at this stage. it was pretty clear ross wanted him and the players did not.
i dont know whether he is guilty here or not but the girl has a rep
Dude.
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MC Gusto wrote:everyone knows who the girl is yea? that email went round a while ago...very interesting. i think i feel sorry for lovett at this stage. it was pretty clear ross wanted him and the players did not.
i dont know whether he is guilty here or not but the girl has a rep
Couldn't care less who the girl is or if she has a rep.
Let's just hope the correct decision is met.
And how is it clear that the players didn't want him? Am i missing something?
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