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Arthur Mullard wrote:Apart from the dreadful form of this last month shown by the Saints, a glance at the history books shows that a flag will be beyond us in 2010.
Its more or less a foregone conclusion that Collingwood and Geelong will finish 1 & 2 for the season. And none but the most one-eyed and delusional fan would deny that they are there on merit. Both sides are playing exceptionally good and confident football. The most compelling argument against our chances for the premiership is history:
The last time a team won from outside of the top four was in 1998 (when Adelaide won from 5th) since then the flag has only gone to 1st or 2nd on the H&A ladder, with two wins to the 3rd placed side.
Not only will we need a miracle on a scale of Lazarus with our form, but we would need to do something (win from outside the top 3) that has not been done for twelve seasons.
Forget about 2010 flag chances and just enjoy watching the game! and get ready for another attempt in 2011
Firstly, f*** off with your pessimism. I will never give up on 'em even if the slump carries on to Rd 22. (Well said Thinline)
Secondly, we are not outside the top three.
Thirdly, we finished on top in 1965 and lost the Grand Final. In '66 Collingwood flogged us during the year and finished on top. How did that work out for them?
Hey Kosifantutti and thinline just keep on keeping on hoping against hope if thats all you've got to back up aany flag chances and sainternist...go back to booing the side off!!!!!!
If the slump continues you WILL drop off em!!!!!!
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Arthur Mullard wrote:Hey Kosifantutti and thinline just keep on keeping on hoping against hope if thats all you've got to back up aany flag chances and sainternist...go back to booing the side off!!!!!!
If the slump continues you WILL drop off em!!!!!!
Sorry, a member for 40 years. Dropping off is not an option.
Just let the negative nancy have his opinion he is entitled to it. I just want him do publicly state that he will not be lining up for a Grand Final ticket if/when we make the last Saturday in September and deny a supporter who still beleives in the club a cnahce to see Roo and Ross hold the Cup aloft.
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Arthur Mullard wrote:Classy response thinline! Try READING THE POST SLOWLY AND TRY TO DIGEST WHAT I WAS SAYING I'm NOT asking people to give up on them...simply saying that history and current form point toward another blank season, enjoy going to the game and dont get disappointed at the inevitable outcome!
I'd settle for Geelongs "same old same old" any time! by7 the way!
I actually thought you got the response you deserved... but since you're after a dispassionate response:
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Under the McIntyre final 8 system there have been 7 of 16 Grand Finals where 1st played 2nd, making the last 3 years an abberation. Even if the top 8 remains unchanged it is statistically unlikely that this year's Grand Finalists will be Collingwood and Geelong.
However in that same period the minor premier has only missed the Grand Final 4 times.
Interestingly, in that position, the minor premier only has a 50-50 chance of winning the flag. The strike rate actually gets a little better for those who don't finish on top.
Add to that the statistic that where last year's minor premier wins this year's flag... I predict a Saints-Magpies Grand Final. Saints Premiers.
For some reason I have always thought our next flag will be against Collingwood.
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plugger66 wrote:The only thing against us iss form. If we get it back we are a huge chance. History also said we couldnt lose last year. I'll tell you about stats and history. Gram had 35 posssessions on Friday. That is what I think of stats.
Most intelligent thing you've said for a while p66. I do concur.
Swans finished 14th for points for at the end of the h & a season. Incredible. I feel better now.
14th! Wow! That is remarkable
STRENGTH THROUGH LOYALTY.
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Arthur Mullard wrote:Classy response thinline! Try READING THE POST SLOWLY AND TRY TO DIGEST WHAT I WAS SAYING I'm NOT asking people to give up on them...simply saying that history and current form point toward another blank season, enjoy going to the game and dont get disappointed at the inevitable outcome!
I'd settle for Geelongs "same old same old" any time! by7 the way!
I actually thought you got the response you deserved... but since you're after a dispassionate response:
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Under the McIntyre final 8 system there have been 7 of 16 Grand Finals where 1st played 2nd, making the last 3 years an abberation. Even if the top 8 remains unchanged it is statistically unlikely that this year's Grand Finalists will be Collingwood and Geelong.
However in that same period the minor premier has only missed the Grand Final 4 times.
Interestingly, in that position, the minor premier only has a 50-50 chance of winning the flag. The strike rate actually gets a little better for those who don't finish on top.
Add to that the statistic that where last year's minor premier wins this year's flag... I predict a Saints-Magpies Grand Final. Saints Premiers.
For some reason I have always thought our next flag will be against Collingwood.
I like that except this time it will be by 2 points. Funnier things have happened.
plugger66 wrote:The only thing against us iss form. If we get it back we are a huge chance. History also said we couldnt lose last year. I'll tell you about stats and history. Gram had 35 posssessions on Friday. That is what I think of stats.
Most intelligent thing you've said for a while p66. I do concur.
Geez imagine if he had got 45. May have figured in the best
I think you'll find Geelong was beaten by both the Bombers and Collingwood the year they won the flag.......it ain't over til it's over! St Kilda oozes class....it's just that our backs aren't up against the wall!
Go Saints!
When they created LENNY HAYES (in the shadow of Harvs) they forgot to break the mold (again)- hence the Supremely Incredible Jack Steven!!
plugger66 wrote:The only thing against us iss form. If we get it back we are a huge chance. History also said we couldnt lose last year. I'll tell you about stats and history. Gram had 35 posssessions on Friday. That is what I think of stats.
Most intelligent thing you've said for a while p66. I do concur.
Geez imagine if he had got 45. May have figured in the best
St. Luke wrote:I think you'll find Geelong was beaten by both the Bombers and Collingwood the year they won the flag.......it ain't over til it's over! St Kilda oozes class....it's just that our backs aren't up against the wall!
Go Saints!
Um what?
When?
Anyway, my thoughts are - meh, I've been sick of the home and away for a while now but next Sunday i actually have something to barrack for. I want to win. it has been five weeks since I attended a game where we won 9or at least it will have been five when we play on Sunday)
Sick of bloody waiting to hear our song after the match.
Arthur Mullard wrote:Classy response thinline! Try READING THE POST SLOWLY AND TRY TO DIGEST WHAT I WAS SAYING I'm NOT asking people to give up on them...simply saying that history and current form point toward another blank season, enjoy going to the game and dont get disappointed at the inevitable outcome!
I'd settle for Geelongs "same old same old" any time! by7 the way!
bit different this year people, i think 3 or 4th wont be going interstate . How many times has 3 and 4 gone interstate since this mc intyre system . history was yesterday tomorrows a mystery and its promised to no one
( God help me)
Try READING THE POST SLOWLY AND TRY TO DIGEST WHAT I WAS SAYING I'm NOT asking people to give up on them...simply saying that history and current form point toward another blank season, enjoy going to the game and dont get disappointed at the inevitable outcome!
