Our Admin are gutless

[ThePunter]

They run the game. They make the rules.

[rodgerfox]

People need to just suck it up, I'm afraid.

This is not a democracy! The AFL is more like the mafia, AD is the Godfather... and we are just one of many (not so powerful) families.

Bakes got out of line one time too many, and was whacked by the big bosses as an example to others... we can either seek retribution and create a rod for our own backs, or we can get on with business and try to work our way up the totem pole.

If you expect 'fair', you're screwed.

Flags=money=power.

That's why I opted out a few years ago.

Once it became as you described above, and no longer a competition, it just wasn't for me. If I wanted entertainment that was choreographed for ratings and money revenue, I'd watch the wrestling or go and see a movie - at least they have happy endings.

The only thing that has left me any interest whatsoever, has been the Saints. Nowhere what it used to be like, but an interest nonetheless.

Maybe try horse racing?

I love horse racing.

Horse racing and MMA are the only sports that really get me excited.

[Stillwaiting]

People need to just suck it up, I'm afraid.

This is not a democracy! The AFL is more like the mafia, AD is the Godfather... and we are just one of many (not so powerful) families.

Bakes got out of line one time too many, and was whacked by the big bosses as an example to others... we can either seek retribution and create a rod for our own backs, or we can get on with business and try to work our way up the totem pole.

If you expect 'fair', you're screwed.

Flags=money=power.

That's why I opted out a few years ago.

Once it became as you described above, and no longer a competition, it just wasn't for me. If I wanted entertainment that was choreographed for ratings and money revenue, I'd watch the wrestling or go and see a movie - at least they have happy endings.

The only thing that has left me any interest whatsoever, has been the Saints. Nowhere what it used to be like, but an interest nonetheless.

Maybe try horse racing?

Cant fault what Rogerfox is saying, with this rubbish its onle the fact that its the Saints that keeps me interested at times,

[Saint Bev]

Stop calling the club weak and gutless. This is the club we love, don't be like Collingwood supporters and turn on your own. They have to do the best for the club long term. Think big picture, have faith.

Always remember STRENGTH THROUGH LOYALTY

[markp]

People need to just suck it up, I'm afraid.

This is not a democracy! The AFL is more like the mafia, AD is the Godfather... and we are just one of many (not so powerful) families.

Bakes got out of line one time too many, and was whacked by the big bosses as an example to others... we can either seek retribution and create a rod for our own backs, or we can get on with business and try to work our way up the totem pole.

If you expect 'fair', you're screwed.

Flags=money=power.

That's why I opted out a few years ago.

Once it became as you described above, and no longer a competition, it just wasn't for me. If I wanted entertainment that was choreographed for ratings and money revenue, I'd watch the wrestling or go and see a movie - at least they have happy endings.

The only thing that has left me any interest whatsoever, has been the Saints. Nowhere what it used to be like, but an interest nonetheless.

When was it ever fair?

When the scum and co were buying players and flags?

It's still a game, you just have to play it well on and off the field to win.

[rodgerfox]

It's still a game, you just have to play it well on and off the field to win.

See that's where it's lost the plot.

Playing it well doesn't matter. Being the best team doesn't win you the flag.


It's like having to gob your boss off to get a promotion as opposed to getting it on it's merits.

[markp]

It's like having to gob your boss off to get a promotion as opposed to getting it on it's merits.

You need to do both... always have and always will.

But if you're making him more money than anyone else, you wont be called upon to kneel quite so often.

[SainterK]

If I think about it without rose coloured glasses on, I am not sure he was made an example of.

Two things really nailed him...

Most of his contact was to the Steve Johnson's face, which is actually most unusual for Bakes.

He had a bad record, though initially angry, I think we all would of copped the suspension handed out had it not increased significantly as a result of this.

[joffaboy]

Stop calling the club weak and gutless. This is the club we love, don't be like Collingwood supporters and turn on your own. They have to do the best for the club long term. Think big picture, have faith.

Always remember STRENGTH THROUGH LOYALTY

Proven to be weak and gutless on a number of occasions.

You say STRENGTH THROUGH LOYALTY.

Well seems the club want s it from us but wont go into bat for one of its players.

Pathetic and gutless.

As for Nettlefold not answering emails, well Archie Frasier would answe queries (i got a reply at 10.30 at night) and it was long and not a template email. Seems as though this admin is just full of AFL yes men.

This admin wont protect our players from vindictive and incompetent AFL directives.

I would not blame the likes of Kosi and Armo getting out and going to the Gold Coast.

Who would want to stay at a club that abandons its players?

[St DAC]

I understand you're disappointed Joffa but the bigger picture is still a flag. FWIW I don't really care whether Steven Baker or any other specific player plays in a premiership side; I most definitely DO care that the St Kilda FC are premiers this (and hopefully more in the future) year.

The club is bigger than any individual, and there's no point throwing good money after bad. Time to cut our losses.

[SainterK]

How do we know they 'abandoned' him though, because his suspensions still stand?

Given the statement from the club, I'd say Nettlefold is very busy at the moment...trying to seek advice and do all he can for Bakes right now.

[rodgerfox]

It's like having to gob your boss off to get a promotion as opposed to getting it on it's merits.

You need to do both... always have and always will.

But if you're making him more money than anyone else, you wont be called upon to kneel quite so often.

That's not what footy is to me.

Obviously some people are cool with it, which is fine. Each to their own.

But the Saints winning an AFL flag because they gobbed off the boss wouldn't make me happy and feel 'proud' of the club.


The sad thing is, that's what has to happen. It's not about the footy anymore - it's about all the other shiit that goes on.

[supersaints]

That Character Nettlefold, played about 43 games for the saints.. he probably knows a bit more than you. He is a decent bloke. Sad truth is, if we stand up then Dimwit will screw the club even more..
remember words in the sky,Sirengate,Bakes previuos suspensions
Just wait
This years final umpiring
Next years draft.....
Compensation for players who go to GC and Western Sidney

etc,etc,etc
Its sad but true you cant beat city hall

[rodgerfox]

If I think about it without rose coloured glasses on, I am not sure he was made an example of.

Two things really nailed him...

Most of his contact was to the Steve Johnson's face, which is actually most unusual for Bakes.

He had a bad record, though initially angry, I think we all would of copped the suspension handed out had it not increased significantly as a result of this.

Two words...

Chris. Judd.

[rodgerfox]

That Character Nettlefold, played about 43 games for the saints.. he probably knows a bit more than you. He is a decent bloke. Sad truth is, if we stand up then Dimwit will screw the club even more..
remember words in the sky,Sirengate,Bakes previuos suspensions
Just wait
This years final umpiring
Next years draft.....
Compensation for players who go to GC and Western Sidney

etc,etc,etc
Its sad but true you cant beat city hall

"it's better to die on your feet, than live on your knees"

[degruch]

If I think about it without rose coloured glasses on, I am not sure he was made an example of.

Two things really nailed him...

Most of his contact was to the Steve Johnson's face, which is actually most unusual for Bakes.

He had a bad record, though initially angry, I think we all would of copped the suspension handed out had it not increased significantly as a result of this.

Two words...

Chris. Judd.

...and for the 4th; Jack. Riewoldt.

[SainterK]

Guys, you might not agree with the time, but Baker certainly did the crime.

What on earth has the fact he crossed the line, got to do with St Kilda being compromised?

They appealed, there was even more high definition vision of Johnson hitting Steve Johnson in the face at the tribunal, was he supposed to deny it?

[rodgerfox]

Guys, you might not agree with the time, but Baker certainly did the crime.

What on earth has the fact he crossed the line, got to do with St Kilda being compromised?

They appealed, there was even more high definition vision of Johnson hitting Steve Johnson in the face at the tribunal, was he supposed to deny it?

Because other players have done the same 'crime' and have been cleared because the exact same people that hung Baker, declared their acts not to be crimes at all.

Why did Baker do the crime, if when other blokes do it, it isn't a crime?

That's why this is just so freakin' outrageous.


And secondly, most people are outraged by the time. That's the biggst issue. He copped 12 for ****'s sake!!!

Other guys got cleared for the same stuff - and got 12!!!

[bigred]

Guys, you might not agree with the time, but Baker certainly did the crime.

What on earth has the fact he crossed the line, got to do with St Kilda being compromised?

They appealed, there was even more high definition vision of Johnson hitting Steve Johnson in the face at the tribunal, was he supposed to deny it?

Because other players have done the same 'crime' and have been cleared because the exact same people that hung Baker, declared their acts not to be crimes at all.

Why did Baker do the crime, if when other blokes do it, it isn't a crime?

That's why this is just so freakin' outrageous.


And secondly, most people are outraged by the time. That's the biggst issue. He copped 12 for ****'s sake!!!

Other guys got cleared for the same stuff - and got 12!!!

And our club is incapable of defending him.

[markp]

It's like having to gob your boss off to get a promotion as opposed to getting it on it's merits.

You need to do both... always have and always will.

But if you're making him more money than anyone else, you wont be called upon to kneel quite so often.

That's not what footy is to me.

Obviously some people are cool with it, which is fine. Each to their own.

But the Saints winning an AFL flag because they gobbed off the boss wouldn't make me happy and feel 'proud' of the club.


The sad thing is, that's what has to happen. It's not about the footy anymore - it's about all the other shiit that goes on.

That's not why or how we'll win a flag... it's just part of the game we have to play to get a chance.

Like I asked before, when was it ever 'fair'?

If we want the flag, we have to take it... in more ways then one!

[joffaboy]

The club is bigger than any individual, and there's no point throwing good money after bad. Time to cut our losses.

Completely disagree.

It goes to the heart of the culture of our club.

Baker has been hung out to dry by the admin because they haven't the ball or courage or integrity to stand up for what is right - i.e. stand up for the integrity and character of Steven Baker.

But apparently they are just too scared. they are cowed by the vindictiveness and small mindedness of the AFL.

Sometimes you have to make a stand, but theses people are too timmid and have no courage.

How must our playing list feel at the moment. They have seen a ten year player humiliated and vilified, and insulted, made an example of and defamed, but just sit on their hands.

Who in our playing group will they EVER defend.

I would not blame any player for leaving this rabble of a gutless club.

I am beginning to have more understanding why Ball left. Bet his new club wouldn't allow one of their own to be humiliated and insulted the way ours have allowed Baker to be kicked.

Absolutely disgusted by this pathetic clubs response.

Fkn gutless wimps.

[SainterK]

If I think about it without rose coloured glasses on, I am not sure he was made an example of.

Two things really nailed him...

Most of his contact was to the Steve Johnson's face, which is actually most unusual for Bakes.

He had a bad record, though initially angry, I think we all would of copped the suspension handed out had it not increased significantly as a result of this.

Two words...

Chris. Judd.

Sure, he got off....but that should be more concerning to Steve Johnson, not Steven Baker.

[TazzieSaintGirl83]

I agree with rodgerfox.

Its the fact that the crimes he is getting punished for others havent been.

Its infuriating

[rodgerfox]

It's like having to gob your boss off to get a promotion as opposed to getting it on it's merits.

You need to do both... always have and always will.

But if you're making him more money than anyone else, you wont be called upon to kneel quite so often.

That's not what footy is to me.

Obviously some people are cool with it, which is fine. Each to their own.

But the Saints winning an AFL flag because they gobbed off the boss wouldn't make me happy and feel 'proud' of the club.


The sad thing is, that's what has to happen. It's not about the footy anymore - it's about all the other shiit that goes on.

That's not why or how we'll win a flag... it's just part of the game we have to play to get a chance.

Like I asked before, when was it ever 'fair'?

If we want the flag, we have to take it... in more ways then one!

No, wrong. You can't take a flag.

You don't win flags by being the best football team. Even when Carlton and the likes were buying players, they still needed to be the best team to win the flag.

Ask Collingwood how it feels to be beaten twice in a row by a club that gets to keep an extra champion footballer because the AFL gives them $400k in their cap more than everyone - because they want to make money in Queensland.

Ask West Coast how it feels to lose a flag by a kick because the AFL allow Barry Hall to play in the GF because they needed to orchestrate success in NSW.


Good competitions don't have to be fair. Any club could buy players back in the day. Their was no choreographed and tweaked results in order to generate money from certain states.

It's not about it being fair. It's about it being uncompromised and rigged.

It's about it now being about the AFL - and not the clubs. The whole business is based on the AFL organisation making money.

When we talk about the analogy of gobbing the boss off to get ahead in the workplace - the difference is that the AFL should not be about the boss getting what he/she wants.

It should be about the clubs.

The concept of keeping the 'boss happy' to be a chance of winning a flag is just completely and utterly not what I'm about as a sports fan.

[St DAC]

Baker has been hung out to dry by the admin because they haven't the ball or courage or integrity to stand up for what is right - i.e. stand up for the integrity and character of Steven Baker.

Completely disagree. He did the crime. Completely excessive penalty? Yes, but penalty was warranted. And frankly, it was a pretty stupid effort, given the number of cameras and his prior penalties as baggage.

Who in our playing group will they EVER defend.

Perhaps someone innocent of the crime? The only shot they had was overturning the hand-slap. And IMO the MRP got that wrong. But they gave it a crack, and infortunately lost. So it goes.

Fkn gutless wimps.

Now that's OTT ...